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Re: STAY AWAY: 5 ways the Healthcare System WILL Screw You Over
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2024, 08:18:35 AM »
like andy tate says.... THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU in fact he says no one cares about so take it like a fucking man 8)

Andy Tate my hero! He so manly. He so truthful.

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Re: STAY AWAY: 5 ways the Healthcare System WILL Screw You Over
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2024, 08:45:51 AM »
Question for oldtimer (and others) :

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of statins were you using?  At what dose?  A lot of docs here do suggest the CoQ-10 supplementation but also advise to take the statin at night before bed.

There are a lot of docs and people that feel it is just genetic.  That no matter what you do, you can only suppress it to a degree.  But that doesn't mean it can affect you negatively.  Lots of people are high their whole lives and live to be 80-90. 

There was also a trend about 10 years ago that was popular (but you don't really hear much of it anymore) that it isn't the number that is the most important, it is the particle size.  You can have a high number with small sizes and still be in less of a clog risk than someone with low numbers and bigger size.

I take rosuvastatin at 5 mg. Someone with a worse medical history than me might want to take a higher dose. I believe in the studies that show lower incidence of heart attacks and strokes in people who take the statins. I think the statins have actions that go beyond the lowering of the numbers in your cholesterol panel, and that the full mechanism is not yet understood. If I got muscle cramps from it I might add coq10, try a different statin, or re-evaluate my decision.

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Re: STAY AWAY: 5 ways the Healthcare System WILL Screw You Over
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2024, 08:56:13 AM »
I take rosuvastatin at 5 mg. Someone with a worse medical history than me might want to take a higher dose. I believe in the studies that show lower incidence of heart attacks and strokes in people who take the statins. I think the statins have actions that go beyond the lowering of the numbers in your cholesterol panel, and that the full mechanism is not yet understood. If I got muscle cramps from it I might add coq10, try a different statin, or re-evaluate my decision.

Take another substance to conter the effects of another, maybe not take the substance instead...

Food for thought
We get a headache we take Paracetamol.
Is it because we have a sortage of paracetamol in the body causing the headache?

Maybe we should look at whats causing us problems like shortages or too much of something in the body rather than always resorting to medication.

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Re: STAY AWAY: 5 ways the Healthcare System WILL Screw You Over
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2024, 09:03:19 AM »
Prescribing guidelines for these medication all state that patient should attempt lifestyle modifications for 6 months before starting statins.  You can probably guess how well that works out for most Americans.  From a harm-reduction standpoint, it’s better to get people on meds earlier than to leave them untreated for another 6 months.  It’s not that physicians don’t understand the benefits of exercise, diet, etc, they’re just realistic about the tendencies of their patients.

I have to chuckle at your dilemma though… on the one side you have real, practicing cardiologists, experts within their field, dealing with this stuff everyday.  On the other side, you have people like Mark Sisson who is apparently a cookbook author and endurance athlete.  Personally, I’d take my medical advice from the actual medical doctors.

Not meaning to ruin your chuckle but I also stated "other doctors" because Sisson was the only name I could specifically recall due to popularity.  Assem Malhotra was one but I had to look it up, but there have been plenty of other legitimate doctors who make similar cases.

And to further comment on my skepticism, I had one cardiologist diagnose me with a slight LVH, to which I was required to get echo-caridos every six months to monitor the situation, and he wanted me to abandon any heavy weight training and discontinue rucking.  I didn't.  After 2 years of this, it had not progressed, so they went to annual.  Next cardiologist reviewed my history and said "you never had LVH"............so forgive my pedestrian confusion.  I'm sure since they were actual medical doctors, they were both right.
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Re: STAY AWAY: 5 ways the Healthcare System WILL Screw You Over
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2024, 09:11:40 AM »
Andy Tate my hero! He so manly. He so truthful.

some of the shit he spouts is complete crap but when he says fuck everyone else and be the best you can be he is spot the fuck on

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Re: STAY AWAY: 5 ways the Healthcare System WILL Screw You Over
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2024, 09:25:31 AM »
some of the shit he spouts is complete crap but when he says fuck everyone else and be the best you can be he is spot the fuck on

he doesn't act like thats the way he thinks, he acts like he really cares what people think of him, hence why he makes money

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