Muscle Soreness

[slaveboy1980]

Completely disagree with the flawed premise that failure's unnecessary, as if doing what you can already do is gonna help! The no-failure crowd's what Coleman correctly refers to as "the lazys" AKA it's too hard! 

i have trained to failure and i been sore..but i have no emotional attachment to it that you seem to have. I can stand the pain when working out, but for me its not a question about being macho, its about what works the best. If working to failure worked better i would do it..instead i like to use cumulative fatigue...: if you would do 1-2 sets to failure i would do 4-5 sets close to failure 1-2 reps short. try it on squats some day and i can tell you 5 sets to close to failure with poundages 80%+ with not to much rest is alot harder than 1 set to failure but more importantly it works better.

[GoneAway]

i have trained to failure and i been sore..but i have no emotional attachment to it that you seem to have. I can stand the pain when working out, but for me its not a question about being macho, its about what works the best. If working to failure worked better i would do it..instead i like to use cumulative fatigue...: if you would do 1-2 sets to failure i would do 4-5 sets close to failure 1-2 reps short. try it on squats some day and i can tell you 5 sets to close to failure with poundages 80%+ with not to much rest is alot harder than 1 set to failure but more importantly it works better.

Why does it work better?

Wouldn't it be the same if you went to failure with the same rest time? Your weights would probably be a tiny bit lower since you'd be more fatigued from the extra few reps, but it seems virtually the same.

[slaveboy1980]

Why does it work better?

Wouldn't it be the same if you went to failure with the same rest time? Your weights would probably be a tiny bit lower since you'd be more fatigued from the extra few reps, but it seems virtually the same.

not with 45 sec rest periods, and alot of sets. (which gives you more loading in the end) also eventho volume is higher , you spare cns ...(you will feel fresh instead tired and uninspired)...can workout more often and in a more positive state of mind.

haney was on to something with his "stimulate dont annihilate" (altho i dont agree with everything he did..but i agree about that)

[big L dawg]

well its because your looking to get sore, which i find unnecessary. periodization i use myself so i havent discounted that.

 actually I'm not looking to get sore I'm looking for results.It just so happens for me i get better results that way(by working out to a point were i know ill feel it the next day)I tried to train the way you do,and i always walked out of the gym feeling like i could have done more.also i don't go to failure with every set just the last couple of the work out.

[Cooker]

FWIW - Training to failure seems to be the predominate theme of many of the put together routines that I have looked at lately.