How Can A Church Endorse Homosexual Marriage

[Dos Equis]

Pastor Ozmo? 

 

[OzmO]

The Bible will NEVER make sense to one who tries to understand it without the presensce of a personal relationship with God. 

I completely agree.  This is particularly true if the person is reading the Bible simply to try and find contradictions, problems, etc.

Well, in my case it stemmed from too much enthusiasm in Christianity that led to more and more research that led to questioning contradictions.

The bible is a book of faith and one's paradigm often sets the tone of interpretation.  But i wold think that the W.O.G. should be visible beyond that as it is in many instances in the Bible, just not all the words.

[OzmO]

Pastor Ozmo? 

 

 

[Colossus_500]

lol.  I think Straw Man is Lee Stroebel in the making.     http://www.outreachspeakers.com/speakers/LeeStroebel.htm

I don't know, Beach.  I'm thinking we're dealing with a modern-day Pharoah with Straw Man.  His heart is extremely hardened.   

So is OzmO.   

I was thinking the same thing, Loco!     OzmO, I know you're a believer, but if you ever get to the point of understanding God's word to be infallable, whew!!! Look out!  I pity the fool who wants to take up debate with you.     Make sure you mention your Getbig buddies when you write your first book! 

[OzmO]

I don't know, Beach.  I'm thinking we're dealing with a modern-day Pharoah with Straw Man.  His heart is extremely hardened.   
I was thinking the same thing, Loco!     OzmO, I know you're a believer, but if you ever get to the point of understanding God's word to be infallable, whew!!! Look out!  I pity the fool who wants to take up debate with you.     Make sure you mention your Getbig buddies when you write your first book! 

    Thanks C-500

[Straw Man]

[chuckle] You have shown an inability to be consistent in the same thread and as the preceding excerpts show, you are unable to be consistent in the same post.  

Let's try this one more time:

I'll make it less personal

your point of view is idiotic

your entire premise is based on your own infallable common sense

By your own admission your wife and other christian friend don't understand your point of view either

One would think that people who also share your christian faith would be able to understand your beliefs if only you could present a cogent argument.

Why are you unable to support your position without drawing on the circular reasoning of "it's just common sense"?

Why are you too stupid to understand this?

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Why do you respond to my quote by gutting the middle and leaving the beginning an end.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised since you have the ability to read the bible and parse out just the points that you like even within the same story.

Face it - If you take the bible to be true then you need to bite the bullet and take it all to be true

This includes offering your child to be raped by a mob, accepting the fact that your daughter must be stoned in not a virgin on her wedding night and that you should be put to death if you work on the Sabbath, just to name a few.

You've yet to offer any objective process for eliminating these so they must all still be valid

Of course you are entitled to your OPINION as is anyone else who cares to read the book and make interpretation and you already acknowledged that your "beliefs" are actually just your opinion.

lol.  Dude you just don't get it.  I don't need to convince you that I'm comfortable with my opinion. 

If you're going to present your belief as fact then you face a higher order of evidence then just your common sense.

If you don't believe this then change the subject to something else, say a doctor who is treating your child, and ask yourself if the same metric would still apply

There's nothing wrong with having faith but faith is belief in the absence of evidence or in contary to evidence

If you could prove your beliefs then Chrisitianity would be a science and not a religion

[Dos Equis]

I don't know, Beach.  I'm thinking we're dealing with a modern-day Pharoah with Straw Man.  His heart is extremely hardened.   
I was thinking the same thing, Loco!     OzmO, I know you're a believer, but if you ever get to the point of understanding God's word to be infallable, whew!!! Look out!  I pity the fool who wants to take up debate with you.     Make sure you mention your Getbig buddies when you write your first book! 

You never know Colossus.  One of my former co-workers was an avowed, angry, bitter atheist.  She eventually approached me about five years into our working relationship and expressed an interest in coming to church.  She only attended once, but she's no longer an atheist.  I shared a book with her (Prayer of Jabez -- awesome book).  She now has a personal relationship with God.  It was a beautiful thing to see.   

[Dos Equis]

Let's try this one more time:

I'll make it less personal

your point of view is idiotic

your entire premise is based on your own infallable common sense

By your own admission your wife and other christian friend don't understand your point of view either

One would think that people who also share your christian faith would be able to understand your beliefs if only you could present a cogent argument.

Why are you unable to support your position without drawing on the circular reasoning of "it's just common sense"?

Why are you too stupid to understand this?

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Why do you respond to my quote by gutting the middle and leaving the beginning an end.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised since you have the ability to read the bible and parse out just the points that you like even within the same story.

Face it - If you take the bible to be true then you need to bite the bullet and take it all to be true

This includes offering your child to be raped by a mob, accepting the fact that your daughter must be stoned in not a virgin on her wedding night and that you should be put to death if you work on the Sabbath, just to name a few.

You've yet to offer any objective process for eliminating these so they must all still be valid

Of course you are entitled to your OPINION as is anyone else who cares to read the book and make interpretation and you already acknowledged that your "beliefs" are actually just your opinion.

If you're going to present your belief as fact then you face a higher order of evidence then just your common sense.

If you don't believe this then change the subject to something else, say a doctor who is treating your child, and ask yourself if the same metric would still apply

There's nothing wrong with having faith but faith is belief in the absence of evidence or in contary to evidence

If you could prove your beliefs then Chrisitianity would be a science and not a religion

There is a point in there somewhere . . .  maybe . . . but it escapes me.   

[Camel Jockey]

It's the bottom line cuz some douche in 3rd century said so!!11

[loco]

Actually, thought all this, I believe the Bible is even less the "Word of God" than when i started.

Not because of your actions, which are respectable, honorable and noteworthy as a person and a man of God, but because of the research involved in our debates.

Thanks, OzmO, but that's a shame because it should be the other way around.  As a human being, I have failed at times and will always fail at times as an example of what a Christian should be.  But the Word of God never fails. Jesus Christ will never fail us.

[OzmO]

Thanks, OzmO, but that's a shame because it should be the other way around.  As a human being, I have failed at times and will always fail at times as an example of what a Christian should be.  But the Word of God never fails. Jesus Christ will never fail us.

I absolutely 100% agree that the Word of God never fails.  But not with the Bible being the "100% word of God."  Or the premise of accepting Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation or some virtually impossible life to live or even sacrificing a Lamb once a year. 

When the words "only" enter into the picture it speaks  more of "church doctrine" to keep and retain followers than of God's real message.

[Straw Man]

There is a point in there somewhere . . .  maybe . . . but it escapes me.   

It wouldn't be the first time

I honestly think you're goofing - and I'm pretty sure you fully understand my point.