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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2007, 07:43:21 AM »
The markus technique is the exactly how I bench press. If you go super wide, you'll hit the tri's less which might be something you're looking for.



Absolutely. The only two things that suck about dumbbells is number one, doing them safely since you workout alone, and getting them in enough weight to be worth something. Just like dumbbell shrugs, they can only do so much but after awhile you just need to move to a barbell. Which is why you mix them up. The contraction and benefits you get from dumbbells is awesome. I've never tried to kick back more than the 100's because without help it's awkward. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
i wasn't talking about db presses but db flyes and i don't care how strong a person might be, NO ONE is going to outgrow the dumbbells on flyes, you have to work up slow on db flyes and i've never seen ANYONE use anymore than 85's or 90's on db flyes with decent form.

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2007, 07:44:03 AM »
Flys are further proof of the value of isolation movements for size.

What Arnold's doing and anyone should try on both flys and presses is emphasizing the bottom 2/3 partial ROM, which is the sweet spot for chest. That's for several reasons:

-Any free weight exercise that uses an arc like flys or curls, only works the muscle through part of the motion; tension's lost outside of that range - generally the top and bottom portions of ROM. You can avoid those areas and work the muscle better, IMO; there is a sweet spot for any exercise, where you can use more weight and the muscles have more leverage. For chest it is close to the beginning/middle of the motion, while the end portion of ROM is more for tris. Therefore work the lower/mid portion of ROM for flys and presses.

-Cheats and partials are ways to emphasize those areas where the muscles have a mechanical advantage and can move more weight, and are under tension. Generally those areas of ROM work the muscle more effectively. That's why cheat curls can be better than strict curls, why it's not necessary to do the bottom or top of preacher curls, and why box squats can be better than full squats for size.


Also it's true that dumbbells can be more effective in isolating the chest AND are less harsh on the joints. In addition, the use of dumbbells allows the hands to be at different angles. Try dumbbell flys using a neutral/palms facing one another grip, or any angle between neutral and the usual grip.


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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2007, 07:54:35 AM »
i wasn't talking about db presses but db flyes and i don't care how strong a person might be, NO ONE is going to outgrow the dumbbells on flyes, you have to work up slow on db flyes and i've never seen ANYONE use anymore than 85's or 90's on db flyes with decent form.

Okay I agree with you there. I've never seen anyone go over 100's before and I did them with a spot and some help. I love them but, you've gotta do them super strict and very controlled, especially with heavier weights, or you'll fuck your shit UP!

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2007, 08:03:12 AM »
Okay I agree with you there. I've never seen anyone go over 100's before and I did them with a spot and some help. I love them but, you've gotta do them super strict and very controlled, especially with heavier weights, or you'll fuck your shit UP!
ok im doing somethig wrong..i was thinking about using the 60's MAX...i might be thinkn something different from yall...Flyes with the 100's is not what i had in mind

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2007, 08:06:50 AM »
ok im doing somethig wrong..i was thinking about using the 60's MAX...i might be thinkn something different from yall...Flyes with the 100's is not what i had in mind

What do you mean? You mean you'll be happy with just doing the 60's and never want to push farther than that? Or that's the most you think you can handle? It might be the case NOW...but too many people get "content" with what they do and never push themselves harder and farther than they thought possible. If you're just thinking you can only HANDLE the 60's, that might be the case NOW but once you get used to the movement and good at handling that weight and CONFIDENT in what you can do, you should be eating them up. When I was benching where you're at now, the 70's and 80's were an every chest day thing. I just now started doing them and feel no pain anymore. Just learn to to them with good form first before jumping up there. Maybe if you come to town like you said, we can hit chest that particular day and go through the motions.

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2007, 08:09:14 AM »
I've gotten stuck on weight plateaus for the longest time on both flys and chins, then recently both went up quite a bit. ;)

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2007, 08:10:03 AM »
ok im doing somethig wrong..i was thinking about using the 60's MAX...i might be thinkn something different from yall...Flyes with the 100's is not what i had in mind
that's not what i was saying either Mal, believe me 60's are very heavy for flyes if you're doing them strictly.

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2007, 08:11:25 AM »
What do you mean? You mean you'll be happy with just doing the 60's and never want to push farther than that? Or that's the most you think you can handle? It might be the case NOW...but too many people get "content" with what they do and never push themselves harder and farther than they thought possible. If you're just thinking you can only HANDLE the 60's, that might be the case NOW but once you get used to the movement and good at handling that weight and CONFIDENT in what you can do, you should be eating them up. When I was benching where you're at now, the 70's and 80's were an every chest day thing. I just now started doing them and feel no pain anymore. Just learn to to them with good form first before jumping up there. Maybe if you come to town like you said, we can hit chest that particular day and go through the motions.

yeah ill be flying to dallas on saturday and out on tuesday...

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2007, 08:12:54 AM »
How deep do you guys go on your flys anyway? I don't go beyond a hair past parallel when I start to feel the stretch and come back up. Anything deeper than that KILLS my shoulders and takes my focus off feeling my chest to not ripping my sockets out. Dave is right. 60lbs isn't a cake walk by any means. If you're looking for better chest work in your benching, you might want to fatigue it first with dumbbell flyes before benching. I know I've heard that suggestion presented somewhere on getbig before.  Also, INCLINE dumbbell flys can be a gas. I've done them and supersetted with incline dumbbell presses at the end of a few workouts and it was BRUTAL!

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2007, 08:14:29 AM »
I cruised through these responses and was surprised to not see this suggestion:
Take a little wider grip than shoulder width, and instead of benching with your arms in a "power benching" style, turn your hands slightly on the bar and bring your elbows out to near parallel with the bar, or directly in line...then lower the bar higher on your chest.  You'll definitely have to reduce poundage, but you'll feel it really working the chest.
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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2007, 08:14:52 AM »
yeah ill be flying to dallas on saturday and out on tuesday...

This week? I'm going out of town monday and work all weekend save maybe sunday if you're down we can try to work something out. Sunday is the only day I can think of that we could possibly get together. If you're down, I'll pm you my cell number and you can give me a call if you get a few hours free time.

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2007, 08:15:43 AM »
I cruised through these responses and was surprised to not see this suggestion:
Take a little wider grip than shoulder width, and instead of benching with your arms in a "power benching" style, turn your hands slightly on the bar and bring your elbows out to near parallel with the bar, or directly in line...then lower the bar higher on your chest.  You'll definitely have to reduce poundage, but you'll feel it really working the chest.

That's exactly how people with heavy benches and no triceps (like me) press. The power pressing style like you mentioned sounds like what he's doing.

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2007, 08:21:43 AM »
I've gotten stuck on weight plateaus for the longest time on both flys and chins, then recently both went up quite a bit. ;)

HAHA way to get your head outta your ass pump!  ;D

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2007, 08:55:44 AM »
HAHA way to get your head outta your ass pump!  ;D

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2007, 10:54:46 AM »
How deep do you guys go on your flys anyway? I don't go beyond a hair past parallel when I start to feel the stretch and come back up. Anything deeper than that KILLS my shoulders and takes my focus off feeling my chest to not ripping my sockets out. Dave is right. 60lbs isn't a cake walk by any means. If you're looking for better chest work in your benching, you might want to fatigue it first with dumbbell flyes before benching. I know I've heard that suggestion presented somewhere on getbig before.  Also, INCLINE dumbbell flys can be a gas. I've done them and supersetted with incline dumbbell presses at the end of a few workouts and it was BRUTAL!


see thats exactly why i kind of shyed away from them..i i was trying to protec shouders at all cost...

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2007, 10:56:50 AM »

see thats exactly why i kind of shyed away from them..i i was trying to protec shouders at all cost...

You can do them, just do them properly and deep enough to where you feel your chest working. If you go TOO deep you'll feel it transfer from your pecs to almost all the weight on your shoulders or so it seems. Go lighter and learn what to look for. Once you've found it, don't be afraid of going heavier. Hell flyes are alot safer than the pec dec imho. The dec irritates the fuck outta me.

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2007, 10:58:18 AM »
You can do them, just do them properly and deep enough to where you feel your chest working. If you go TOO deep you'll feel it transfer from your pecs to almost all the weight on your shoulders or so it seems. Go lighter and learn what to look for. Once you've found it, don't be afraid of going heavier. Hell flyes are alot safer than the pec dec imho. The dec irritates the fuck outta me.


oh ok...ill start with the 20s just to get the feeling down....

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2007, 11:00:57 AM »

oh ok...ill start with the 20s just to get the feeling down....

I would suggest going a little higher than that, 20's..i didn't even know they made them that light.  ;D 40lbs or so should be more than enough that it'll give you a NOTICALBE stretch. You're a big boy, you can handle it.

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Re: Too much tricep in bench...
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2007, 08:18:33 AM »
keep your back flat,elbows in line with shoulders and lighten the weight a bit until you get the pec squeeze down then add weight.that should do it.