Why real open candid bodybuilding drug talk is off limits

[HowieW]

 Obviously, the amount of drugs a top bodybuilder must use to compete and do well is ILLEGAL. Thus, we have an atmophere where drug use is NOT talked about in an open , honest manner.
The majority of fans seem to prefer and demand big freaky physiques on the pro stage.
The IFBB pro div ( and amatuer) has to keep a set of rules on hand that prohibits steroids and related substances for legal reasons. They know the fans would hate natural Olympians and keep the drug issue in the background whenever possible. I don't blame them for that. I remember well, how the AAU went belly up and the Mr America contest went belly up after a couple major drug testing scandals.
I have promoted shows and can tell you from personal experience that drug testing a contest is a major hassle .
It is my impression and quite ironic that the legal supplement industry likes the "drug use is king" ideals.
It makes it easier to hawk all kinds of exotic compounds that may promote muscle growth.
The bottom line reality is that if you followed the drug rules and laws , it is UNlikely you would ever be able to compete as a viable pro or top national bodybuilder. Natural shows, do well only as loacl events.
What bugs me, is that EVERYONE knows what is going on in bodybuilding when it comes to drug use.
I sincerely wish the legal problems could be ended and we could all engage in honest, open dialogue .
Until then, drug myths will be the norm and the real truth on this issue will be lost and kept locked away out of a need to avpid being the proverbial sacrificial lamb.

[Al-Gebra]

you should start another thread, howie w . . .

[The Squadfather]

because it's boring, we all know they're on the typical 2500mg. of test plus a couple of other injectables, a couple of orals, GH, Insulin and all the other goodies, that shit is boring.

[bic_staedtler]

What makes you think that the public will "hate" natural Olympians?

I think that HONESTY in training and results would go over GREAT and would get bodybuilding more mainstream.  

The thing is that people will cheat once the money prizes make cheating worth it.  

But....imagine the sponsorship opportunities that would be open to the natural bodybuilders?  Nike, Powerade...along with the regular supp companies.  

There are very successful drug tested federations.  They have great followings...and while they have some cheats, they're usually found out because they test the winners.  It's a much more honest show.

Those who do not think bodybuilding is REAL bodybuilding unless it's with steroids, well I say those people aren't REAL BODYBUILDING FANS.

I have far more respect for natural competitors than the steroid users...and plenty of steroid guys I know have that same attitude because they KNOW how tough it is to train clean!...

Anyway, like you said...can't change things.  It is what it is.

[spinnis]

because it's boring, we all know they're on the typical 2500mg. of test plus a couple of other injectables, a couple of orals, GH, Insulin and all the other goodies, that shit is boring.

I know a guy here in sweden that competes in the below 200pounds and is on 3g of fucking test,
I can only imagine what ruhl and nasser was on.

[The Squadfather]

I know a guy here in sweden that competes in the below 200pounds and is on 3g of fucking test,
I can only imagine what ruhl and nasser was on.

he probably wasn't on the slew of other shit those guys take.

[Zach Trowbridge]

I know a guy here in sweden that competes in the below 200pounds and is on 3g of fucking test,
I can only imagine what ruhl and nasser was on.

You know sevastese?

[spinnis]

he probably wasn't on the slew of other shit those guys take.

he also takes gh,
I dont fucking understand,

[HowieW]

What makes you think that the public will "hate" natural Olympians?

I think that HONESTY in training and results would go over GREAT and would get bodybuilding more mainstream.  

The thing is that people will cheat once the money prizes make cheating worth it.  

But....imagine the sponsorship opportunities that would be open to the natural bodybuilders?  Nike, Powerade...along with the regular supp companies.  

There are very successful drug tested federations.  They have great followings...and while they have some cheats, they're usually found out because they test the winners.  It's a much more honest show.

Those who do not think bodybuilding is REAL bodybuilding unless it's with steroids, well I say those people aren't REAL BODYBUILDING FANS.

I have far more respect for natural competitors than the steroid users...and plenty of steroid guys I know have that same attitude because they KNOW how tough it is to train clean!...

Anyway, like you said...can't change things.  It is what it is.

Great post.
The sad truth is, those that lack the genetics or drive to be a top bodybuilder can always fall back on the
"drugs are the main thing" excuse for not being a good bodybuilder.

[SWOLETRAIN]

because jail is a place nobody wants to be

[bic_staedtler]

Great post.
The sad truth is, those that lack the genetics or drive to be a top bodybuilder can always fall back on the
"drugs are the main thing" excuse for not being a good bodybuilder.

Sadly, or perhaps not, drugs are the reason why MOST up and coming bodybuilders in the NPC are even THERE...

Drugs levels out the genetic playing field and makes the majority able to participate.  Imagine...how many women in the world can make it to the Miss Universe or Miss America platform?  Not many...lots try, but few make it.  Not just any woman can do it, you have to look a certain way that you're essentially born with.

Beauty pageants have fake tits, lashes, teeth and lips...bodybuilding has drugs.

The only way to support drug free bodybuilding is to go check out the shows, and give them your support.  Sure, you'll see some LOUSY physiques.  But you'll also see some great ones.  Unfortunately they've also got some drug users but most don't win. 

[knny187]

putting needles in your ass is cool



 

[HowieW]

because jail is a place nobody wants to be

Exactly! All I can say is that it really bugs me that the pros I admire in bodybuilding are REQUIRED to risk their health and freedom ( jail from drug busts) just to compete fairly in their sport.
As a true fan, I just can't sit by and say I  would only support drug useing pros and all that means.

[HowieW]

Sadly, or perhaps not, drugs are the reason why MOST up and coming bodybuilders in the NPC are even THERE...

Drugs levels out the genetic playing field and makes the majority able to participate.  Imagine...how many women in the world can make it to the Miss Universe or Miss America platform?  Not many...lots try, but few make it.  Not just any woman can do it, you have to look a certain way that you're essentially born with.

Beauty pageants have fake tits, lashes, teeth and lips...bodybuilding has drugs.

The only way to support drug free bodybuilding is to go check out the shows, and give them your support.  Sure, you'll see some LOUSY physiques.  But you'll also see some great ones.  Unfortunately they've also got some drug users but most don't win. 

Great pts here Bic.
I do go to natural shows and the last 2 SNBF events here in ATL, sold out! Yup they sold out.

[bic_staedtler]

Local FAME shows in Canada are doing well too.  They've also got tons of women competitors, their mainstay.  However, I feel the competitive aspect is lost a bit in the mix...people usually compete in FAME to further their careers in print and video, fitness advertising really. There's really not a lot of pride that goes into winning a FAME title right now, but perhaps in the future.  They need to focus on the sporting aspects and less on the props...which I think are pretty lame, but sometimes they're entertaining.  Leave that stuff for the womens categories....leave the bodybuilding pure and see the best physiques win.

Also I don't agree with letting ex juicers compete without a clause dictating how long they've been clean...usually you can tell by the "ex juicer" guts they have, but like I said, the judges know what to look for and "freaky" physiques aren't rewarded...unless they're still within reason.  Somebody with naturally huge biceps won't get place high, but really, for the same reason that freaky bodyparts don't win titles in non tested shows....because symmetry is a big part of the equation.

[Bobby]

I know a guy here in sweden that competes in the below 200pounds and is on 3g of fucking test,
I can only imagine what ruhl and nasser was on.

More is not the answer... take food for example, you think eating 5.000 calories over maintenance would grow more muscle than 2.500 kcal over maintenance? NO! you have to fill a NEED, anything more than that is just waste, excess.

of course there is varied amounts being used but i seriously doubt ruhl for example is using more than 3g...

gh15 ?? where are you...