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I want to convert my regular routine into a HST routine because i heard it is better. I wonder if people have any opinion on this.

well my regular routine is this.

Monday
 Chest, Tricep

warm up push ups 2x10
Bench wide grip 3x10
dumbell press 3x10
flyes 3x10
lying tricep rise ( horizontal ) 3x10
  "     "      "     ( Vert) 3x10

Tuesday
  Shoulder
shoulder lat. raise 4x10
           front raise 3x10
           dear raise 3x10
           arnold pres 3x10


Wednesday
  Biceps
warm up curls 2x10
against the thigh curls 4x10
hammer curls 3x8
preacher curls 3x6-8

thursday
  - rep of monday

friday-
   rep of tuesday plus Deadlift 3x6-8 sets




please tell me how to convert all those into a HST routine.. THank you sooooooo much!


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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 09:19:56 AM »
You have already been given the advice you need.

You don't need HST - it isn't 'better'.  Your overall routine isn't appropriate for you.  Try a simpler full body routine, like the ones described in the books I already told you purchase.

Starting Strength, by Mark Rippetoe
Keys to Progress, by John McCallum
Practical Programming, by Mark Rippetoe.

Read those books, and you'll know more than 95% of the people posting here, and within 2 years, you'll be bigger and stronger than 95% of them.

Stop trying to make this more complicated than it really is.


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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2007, 04:08:52 AM »
I want to convert my regular routine into a HST routine because i heard it is better. I wonder if people have any opinion on this.

well my regular routine is this.

Monday
 Chest, Tricep

warm up push ups 2x10
Bench wide grip 3x10
dumbell press 3x10
flyes 3x10
lying tricep rise ( horizontal ) 3x10
  "     "      "     ( Vert) 3x10

Tuesday
  Shoulder
shoulder lat. raise 4x10
           front raise 3x10
           dear raise 3x10
           arnold pres 3x10


Wednesday
  Biceps
warm up curls 2x10
against the thigh curls 4x10
hammer curls 3x8
preacher curls 3x6-8

thursday
  - rep of monday

friday-
   rep of tuesday plus Deadlift 3x6-8 sets




please tell me how to convert all those into a HST routine.. THank you sooooooo much!







bro not only is this just good for upper body and its not even whole upperbody which is horrible...there is no lower body at all?? no cardio??? no abs?? no upper back??  this is horrible you need to work out whole body and core strength...get a grip  bro...your not going to get anywhere with this workout...

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 05:04:50 AM »
Crap workout. YOU need to write out your own HST program, as only you know the weights and exercises you will use. Learn how to construct and perform a proper workout before trying something like HST.
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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 07:46:32 AM »
whatd wrong with this kid?  hes gotta be like 15 or something...

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 11:53:09 AM »
whatd wrong with this kid?  hes gotta be like 15 or something...

He must be from the BB.com forums.

Anywho here's an HST day for you,  don't bitch about having to do legs and I'm sure you know the loading parameters already so here's the exercises for you.

Dip or Press
OH Press or Upright Row Variation
CG BP Presses
Some variation on a barbell or DB row
Squat/Front Squat/ Paul Bunyon squat - you get the point with this one
SLDLs
Donkey Calve Raises
Bicep Curl
Wrist Curl

Don't make a post asking for a spotter.

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 12:00:16 PM »
hey come on lats im going to need a spotter for my bench next week think youll be available...hahaaahaha..

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 12:28:12 PM »
I can but I gotta go take a shit.
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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 01:38:42 PM »
I want to convert my regular routine into a HST routine because i heard it is better. I wonder if people have any opinion on this.

well my regular routine is this.

Monday
 Chest, Tricep

warm up push ups 2x10
Bench wide grip 3x10
dumbell press 3x10
flyes 3x10
lying tricep rise ( horizontal ) 3x10
  "     "      "     ( Vert) 3x10

Tuesday
  Shoulder
shoulder lat. raise 4x10
           front raise 3x10
           dear raise 3x10
           arnold pres 3x10


Wednesday
  Biceps
warm up curls 2x10
against the thigh curls 4x10
hammer curls 3x8
preacher curls 3x6-8

thursday
  - rep of monday

friday-
   rep of tuesday plus Deadlift 3x6-8 sets




please tell me how to convert all those into a HST routine.. THank you sooooooo much!


OK, if you wanna use HST, you're gonna hear from experienced HST lifters that you want to minimize the number of exercises you're going to do. This means that isolations are used sparingly, if at all.

The exercise selection will be as follows
Quads- Squats / Leg Press
Halmstrings- SLDL's / Leg Curls
Calves- Calf Raise (standing / seated)
Back "thickness"- Rows / Deads
Back "width"- Pullups / Pulldowns
Shoulders- Db Press / Side or Rear Raises
Chest- Bench Press / Db Press
Abs- Crunches / Situps / etc
Biceps- Curls
Triceps- CG Bench / Extensions

Notice I didn't include traps/forearms in there, as they can be worked in a secondary fashion (deads for traps, curls/rows/etc for forearms). Since we're using compounds, there's gonna be some overlap in the muscle groups you're working- you can take this to your advantage and try to shorten your workout.

You also want to pay attention to BALANCE in the workout, i.e. don't pull much more than you're pushing or vice versa (do not overuse this concept however). It is also going to take some SACRIFICE, which means that you're not gonna be able to do all the exercises you want to do, that you have been so used to doing. You're going to have to trust compound exercise, and assuming you are a beginner they SHOULD actually be enough for your needs.

Ofcourse, your input is required to make a workout that is most suited towards YOUR needs. But I will make a general lay-out and if I get a response out of you, we can make modifications to it.

Day 1-
Squats

Bench Press
Rows

SLDL's
Calf Raises

Seated Db Press
Rear Delt Raises

Bicep Curls
Tricep Extensions

Day 2-
Squats (any variety) or Leg Press

Db Presses (for chest)
Pullups

Leg Curls
Seated Calf

CG Bench
Bicep Curls

Side delt raises (optional)


The exercises grouped together can be alternated/supersetted to save time. If alternating/supersetting isn't your thing than you need to cut down on exercises more. This is just one possibility, it can be changed in many ways depending on individual goals.
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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 02:54:53 PM »
hey haider im not to well versed in this program so what would be they week run down?  workout everyother day or every second day or how does it go?  also what would be a good set x rep scheme?

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 03:23:15 PM »
nevermind man i just read a whole shit load of stuff in that other thread...that shit sounds fuckin intense man...i still grasping the whole progressive load...but while reading it alot of things come up in my head about ways to mix this up with things like doin rep pause sets and supersetting with push and pull...very interesting...but i got tired just reading the 5 page article so i dont know...hahaa

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2007, 04:57:53 PM »





Hey. thank you for replying me with a nice comment. I'm not 15 years old, i'm 20 years old. I'm just a bit frustrated because i think i'm growing too slow. some people told me to omit doing cardio at all. because cardio will burn you calories and you need it. And some people in here say you can do cardio. I' duno where to lead toward. And i'm not trying to get away from legs. I love doing them. yea..
 cause like.. some people say try to work one muscle a week. And HST says you should divide them into 3 times a week, but totaled to be all equal..
I send you a private message already Haider, i don't thin kit went thru. Just have some question if I am were to do HSt.. How many set or rep should i be doing to consider a good amount and not too overload. thank you for your understanding. Sorry for the spam on threat because everything grow for me, just not my chest.










OK, if you wanna use HST, you're gonna hear from experienced HST lifters that you want to minimize the number of exercises you're going to do. This means that isolations are used sparingly, if at all.

The exercise selection will be as follows
Quads- Squats / Leg Press
Halmstrings- SLDL's / Leg Curls
Calves- Calf Raise (standing / seated)
Back "thickness"- Rows / Deads
Back "width"- Pullups / Pulldowns
Shoulders- Db Press / Side or Rear Raises
Chest- Bench Press / Db Press
Abs- Crunches / Situps / etc
Biceps- Curls
Triceps- CG Bench / Extensions

Notice I didn't include traps/forearms in there, as they can be worked in a secondary fashion (deads for traps, curls/rows/etc for forearms). Since we're using compounds, there's gonna be some overlap in the muscle groups you're working- you can take this to your advantage and try to shorten your workout.

You also want to pay attention to BALANCE in the workout, i.e. don't pull much more than you're pushing or vice versa (do not overuse this concept however). It is also going to take some SACRIFICE, which means that you're not gonna be able to do all the exercises you want to do, that you have been so used to doing. You're going to have to trust compound exercise, and assuming you are a beginner they SHOULD actually be enough for your needs.

Ofcourse, your input is required to make a workout that is most suited towards YOUR needs. But I will make a general lay-out and if I get a response out of you, we can make modifications to it.

Day 1-
Squats

Bench Press
Rows

SLDL's
Calf Raises

Seated Db Press
Rear Delt Raises

Bicep Curls
Tricep Extensions

Day 2-
Squats (any variety) or Leg Press

Db Presses (for chest)
Pullups

Leg Curls
Seated Calf

CG Bench
Bicep Curls

Side delt raises (optional)


The exercises grouped together can be alternated/supersetted to save time. If alternating/supersetting isn't your thing than you need to cut down on exercises more. This is just one possibility, it can be changed in many ways depending on individual goals.

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 04:10:32 AM »
hey raine the typical set rep scheme for HST would be to do one warm up set very light and then 2 working sets at 10 reps each...do that for 2 weeks then do 1 warm up then 2 working sets at 12 reps do that for 2 weeks then change it to 15 reps for 2 weeks then 8 reps reps for 2 weeks....make sure you are adjusting the weights accordingly....but you want to be using the heaviest possible wieght for that number of reps while still being under control........so good luck....check this out.
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.info/hst_II.html check out this page its got the whole program set out for you....



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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2007, 04:28:41 AM »
hey raine the typical set rep scheme for HST would be to do one warm up set very light and then 2 working sets at 10 reps each...do that for 2 weeks then do 1 warm up then 2 working sets at 12 reps do that for 2 weeks then change it to 15 reps for 2 weeks then 8 reps reps for 2 weeks....make sure you are adjusting the weights accordingly....but you want to be using the heaviest possible wieght for that number of reps while still being under control........so good luck....check this out.
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.info/hst_II.html check out this page its got the whole program set out for you....

Thats not the way HST is set out. The typical HST workout is 15 reps for all exercises for 2 weeks (6 workouts), then 10 reps for 2 weeks and finally 5 reps for 2 weeks. After the end of the 5 rep weeks you either do it for another week or take a week off from from weight training and then start HST over again.
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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2007, 02:14:27 PM »
yea your right...i got it mixed up...that link explains it all i just had to read it twice...

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2007, 02:28:09 PM »
Thats not the way HST is set out. The typical HST workout is 15 reps for all exercises for 2 weeks (6 workouts), then 10 reps for 2 weeks and finally 5 reps for 2 weeks. After the end of the 5 rep weeks you either do it for another week or take a week off from from weight training and then start HST over again.



Oh thank you. I'll write this down. I have a question. The 6 total workouts, is that like for each muscle? or overall 6 workout for the whole body? And when you narrow the rep, do you supposed to be adding more weights?

I tried to change it into this.. would this be a good workout?

Monday
 Bench 2x15
 dumbell press 2x15
 flys 2x15
 deltoid late rise 2x15
 deltoid rear rise 2x15
 arnold press 1x15
 tricep rise 2x15
 tricep side rise 2x15
 bicep curl 2x15
 hammer curl 1x15
 preacher curls 2x10
 

tuesday
 crunches 3x20
 bicycles 3x20
 leg lift 3x20
 jump rope 15 minutes

Wednesday
 Bench 2x15
 dumbell press 2x15
 flys 2x15
 deltoid late rise 2x15
 deltoid rear rise 2x15
 arnold press 1x15
 tricep rise 2x15
 tricep side rise 2x15
 bicep curl 2x15
 hammer curl 1x15
 preacher curls 2x10

thursday
crunches 3x20
 bicycles 3x20
 leg lift 3x20
 jump rope 15 minutes


friday
 Bench 2x15
 dumbell press 2x15
 flys 2x15
 deltoid late rise 2x15
 deltoid rear rise 2x15
 arnold press 1x15
 tricep rise 2x15
 tricep side rise 2x15
 bicep curl 2x15
 hammer curl 1x15
 preacher curls 2x10



I can try my best to add legs workout on tuesday and thursday. Adding it on monday and the weight lifting days are too much to do for one day... Please give feedback, if you're gonna critic without saying why. then forget the comment. btw, I don't list the other exercise such as front row and stuff cause i duno how to do those.. I'm trying to stick with the basic ones.

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2007, 03:54:05 PM »
You are growing too slow because you are trying to train like an advanced person.

READ THE BOOKS I POSTED

You can train for a year using only squats, oh presses, deadlifts, benc presses, cleans, rows, chins... and make more and faster progress than on ANY OTHER PROGRAM.

Just go buy Starting Strength, read it, and do the program.  Get Practical Programming, so you know what to do when linear progression stops.

Read Keys to Progress for a similar program, but with fantastic information about how to work hard.



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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2007, 09:19:42 PM »


Oh thank you. I'll write this down. I have a question. The 6 total workouts, is that like for each muscle? or overall 6 workout for the whole body? And when you narrow the rep, do you supposed to be adding more weights?

I tried to change it into this.. would this be a good workout?

Monday
 Bench 2x15
 dumbell press 2x15
 flys 2x15
 deltoid late rise 2x15
 deltoid rear rise 2x15
 arnold press 1x15
 tricep rise 2x15
 tricep side rise 2x15
 bicep curl 2x15
 hammer curl 1x15
 preacher curls 2x10
 

tuesday
 crunches 3x20
 bicycles 3x20
 leg lift 3x20
 jump rope 15 minutes

Wednesday
 Bench 2x15
 dumbell press 2x15
 flys 2x15
 deltoid late rise 2x15
 deltoid rear rise 2x15
 arnold press 1x15
 tricep rise 2x15
 tricep side rise 2x15
 bicep curl 2x15
 hammer curl 1x15
 preacher curls 2x10

thursday
crunches 3x20
 bicycles 3x20
 leg lift 3x20
 jump rope 15 minutes


friday
 Bench 2x15
 dumbell press 2x15
 flys 2x15
 deltoid late rise 2x15
 deltoid rear rise 2x15
 arnold press 1x15
 tricep rise 2x15
 tricep side rise 2x15
 bicep curl 2x15
 hammer curl 1x15
 preacher curls 2x10



I can try my best to add legs workout on tuesday and thursday. Adding it on monday and the weight lifting days are too much to do for one day... Please give feedback, if you're gonna critic without saying why. then forget the comment. btw, I don't list the other exercise such as front row and stuff cause i duno how to do those.. I'm trying to stick with the basic ones.

No, this would not be a good HST routine.  A basic HST beginner routine focuses mainly on big compound movements.  About ~8-9 total exercises per workout.  Do a search for previous discussions. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=168529.msg2376157#msg2376157

A basic layout would be

Squats
SLDL
Standing calf raise
Flat bench
Lat row
DB shoulder press
Bicep curls
Close grip bench
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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2007, 09:30:02 PM »

No, this would not be a good HST routine.  A basic HST beginner routine focuses mainly on big compound movements.  About ~8-9 total exercises per workout.  Do a search for previous discussions. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=168529.msg2376157#msg2376157

A basic layout would be

Squats
SLDL
Standing calf raise
Flat bench
Lat row
DB shoulder press
Bicep curls
Close grip bench





CAn you tell me, what big compound movement is? Sorry, I'm really a noob at this..

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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2007, 01:59:37 AM »



CAn you tell me, what big compound movement is? Sorry, I'm really a noob at this..

Why don't you just do the workout that's been laid out for you?  Stop asking people to set up workouts for you and than throwing them out the window buddy.  You don't need to do all that bullshit for your chest.  It's not going to help you get laid.

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2007, 03:20:09 AM »
Why don't you just do the workout that's been laid out for you?  Stop asking people to set up workouts for you and than throwing them out the window buddy.  You don't need to do all that bullshit for your chest.  It's not going to help you get laid.


hahaaha. very funny guy.. -_-

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Re: Can Someone help me convert my regular routine into a HST routine?
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2007, 07:11:51 AM »



CAn you tell me, what big compound movement is? Sorry, I'm really a noob at this..

Compound exercises move the body through more than one joint movement. Isolation exercises only move the body through a single joint movement.

SLDL = Stiff legged deadlift (for glutes & hams)
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