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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2007, 07:22:06 AM »
have not posted in a while because of all the hatred on these boards.  you remind me of that hatred.
you have serious problems in your life.  why you would spend your life typing on a keyboard spilling you venom in a stupid chat room shows you're a sad pathetic person.   
if you don't want to believe in God or Jesus, that's your problem.  you'll pay for that one day.  but enough of the vile hatred and name calling. 
i love God and i love Jesus, but i'm not preaching my hatred on a computer to people that don't.

one day every knee will bow, one day every tongue will confess......

Welcome Fundy; a new head in town or an old one popping up.....I love how Christians are obsessed with vengeance and punishment, great stuff! You do Yaweh proud as he is always fulminating over some insult to his divine majesty (definitely has ego issues). I love Odin and I love Thor; they're much cooler than your godman in a loincloth and his permanently pmsed desert ridden father. I hope you frequent this place more often in any event. Zeus bless you! ;D
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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2007, 08:10:38 AM »
Welcome Fundy; a new head in town or an old one popping up.....I love how Christians are obsessed with vengeance and punishment, great stuff! You do Yaweh proud as he is always fulminating over some insult to his divine majesty (definitely has ego issues). I love Odin and I love Thor; they're much cooler than your godman in a loincloth and his permanently pmsed desert ridden father. I hope you frequent this place more often in any event. Zeus bless you! ;D

And I love how atheists are obsessed with God.     ;D

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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2007, 08:11:17 AM »
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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2007, 10:17:40 PM »
have not posted in a while because of all the hatred on these boards.  you remind me of that hatred.
you have serious problems in your life.  why you would spend your life typing on a keyboard spilling you venom in a stupid chat room shows you're a sad pathetic person.   
if you don't want to believe in God or Jesus, that's your problem.  you'll pay for that one day.  but enough of the vile hatred and name calling. 
i love God and i love Jesus, but i'm not preaching my hatred on a computer to people that don't.

one day every knee will bow, one day every tongue will confess......

As a Christian, you really shouldn't be bothered with what you refer to as "hatred".

Just turn the other cheek, and have faith in Jesus and the love of God.

Don't preach what others should do, lead by example, be loveful. That is the message of Jesus.
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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2007, 10:58:05 PM »
have not posted in a while because of all the hatred on these boards.  you remind me of that hatred.
you have serious problems in your life.  why you would spend your life typing on a keyboard spilling you venom in a stupid chat room shows you're a sad pathetic person.   
if you don't want to believe in God or Jesus, that's your problem.  you'll pay for that one day.  but enough of the vile hatred and name calling. 
i love God and i love Jesus, but i'm not preaching my hatred on a computer to people that don't.

one day every knee will bow, one day every tongue will confess......

Where you been mightymouse?  Come back to the board mang.   :)

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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2007, 04:44:33 AM »
Where you been mightymouse?  Come back to the board mang.   :)

what's up beach!
i got really sick of all the hatred and filth on these boards.  a debate is fine, but when the name calling, foul language and threats start,.... let's just say i have more important things to do with my life.  i really don't see how you deal with it. 
about once or twice a week i would browse the gossip boards to get the lastest scoop on a contest or pro, but that's about it.  and i will give you some credit, i do notice that you don't post much on these pointless threads where all the anti-god people like to rant and rave.  BRAVO beach!!

i may start back posting again but it will be very little.  and i'm definitely not going to fight with these atheist.

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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2007, 05:36:16 AM »
what's up beach!
i got really sick of all the hatred and filth on these boards.  a debate is fine, but when the name calling, foul language and threats start,.... let's just say i have more important things to do with my life.  i really don't see how you deal with it. 
about once or twice a week i would browse the gossip boards to get the lastest scoop on a contest or pro, but that's about it.  and i will give you some credit, i do notice that you don't post much on these pointless threads where all the anti-god people like to rant and rave.  BRAVO beach!!

i may start back posting again but it will be very little.  and i'm definitely not going to fight with these atheist.

 :D




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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2007, 09:15:45 AM »

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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2007, 09:37:30 AM »
No I did read them.  I just harkened back to my comparative literature days in college where we discussed the common thematic devices of the old and new testament and I have to tell you, those themes did not originate with the bible.  Look at Gilgamesh.  Look at the Greek and Roman pantheon of Gods.  Predictions and prophecies are replete in those religions just like with Chritianity.

Michael Grant's opinion does not change the fact that death and rebirth memes predate christ--the phoenix, Dionysus...odin...

The bible is not the first book to use these literary devices.  In a confusing world it is very seductive to grab onto the certainty of the word of god and treat the bible as an infallible book of history, morality, science, etc, but it isn't.  It's a book of stories masterfully written and re-written.

Jesus' birth, death and resurrection were predicted in The Old Testament. So they come from Judaism.

Judaism predates the Greek and Roman pantheon of Gods.

Roman, Greek and Jewish scholars of the time were far more familiar with those pagan myths than you and I and they would have easily discredited Christianity by showing that it was not but a copy of those pagan myths, but they did not do that.  Instead, they used violence to try to destroy Christianity, while some Jews, Romans and Greeks even converted to Christianity.

It is relatively easy to find seemingly meaningful patterns relating any two people or events, but such patterns often do not stand up to rigorous scrutiny.

Lincoln Kennedy coincidences

Both presidents were elected to the presidency in '60.

Both presidents were elected to the House of Representatives in '46.

Both were runners-up for the party's nomination for vice-president in '56.

Both assassins were born in '39.

Both successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson born in '08.

Both presidents were concerned with the problems of American blacks and made their view strongly known in '63. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1862, which became law in 1863. In 1963, Kennedy presented his reports to Congress on Civil Rights, and the same year was the famous March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.

Both presidents were shot in the head.

Both presidents were shot on a Friday.

Lincoln was shot at Ford's Theatre. Kennedy was shot in a Ford car; a Lincoln limousine.

Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy had a secretary
named Evelyn Lincoln (whose husband Harold's nickname was Abe), and she warned him not to go to Dallas.
 
Both Oswald and Booth were assassinated before they could be put on trial.

Lincoln and Kennedy each have 7 letters.

John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald each have 15 letters.

There are 6 letters in each Johnson's first name.

Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and hid in a warehouse, while Oswald shot Kennedy in a warehouse and hid in a theater.

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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2007, 10:08:53 AM »
what's up beach!
i got really sick of all the hatred and filth on these boards.  a debate is fine, but when the name calling, foul language and threats start,.... let's just say i have more important things to do with my life.  i really don't see how you deal with it. 
about once or twice a week i would browse the gossip boards to get the lastest scoop on a contest or pro, but that's about it.  and i will give you some credit, i do notice that you don't post much on these pointless threads where all the anti-god people like to rant and rave.  BRAVO beach!!

i may start back posting again but it will be very little.  and i'm definitely not going to fight with these atheist.

 :D


Thanks mm.  There are actually several who can carry on a discussion without all the ad hominem, etc.  It would help if more people like you spent more time on the board.

And you don't have to fight with atheists.  Stella, loco, McWay, etc. do a fine job of slapping those heathens around.   :D 

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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #60 on: December 19, 2007, 11:07:05 AM »
Jesus' birth, death and resurrection were predicted in The Old Testament. So they come from Judaism.

Judaism predates the Greek and Roman pantheon of Gods.

Roman, Greek and Jewish scholars of the time were far more familiar with those pagan myths than you and I and they would have easily discredited Christianity by showing that it was not but a copy of those pagan myths, but they did not do that.  Instead, they used violence to try to destroy Christianity, while some Jews, Romans and Greeks even converted to Christianity.

It is relatively easy to find seemingly meaningful patterns relating any two people or events, but such patterns often do not stand up to rigorous scrutiny.

Are you going back to the fertile crescent as a Judaic biblical source?  When was the Bible written?  When was the oral tradition preceding the Bible?  Classical antiquity (Ancient Greece & Rome) predates christianity by almost 1000 years.  CA involves geographical locales not oral traditions.

I am not saying that Christianity did not exist.  I am saying that Christ did not exist.  America exists and the ideals of america exist right?  Does Captain America exist?  Not in the sense that he stands out in reality.  He exists as a concept much in the same manner christ existed.

All superheroes are fake...except for superman, he's real.   All gods are fake...except for christ, he's real.

Prophecy is not proof.  It is religious mysticism.  You see it as proof b/c you want to see it as proof. 

In the old testament, the son of god was foretold.  Then when authors wrote the new testament, well I'll be, the son of god makes an appearance.

I don't take that as evidence that Christ existed as the son of God who is also God.  In other words, just b/c the Bible might reference history does not make it a book of history.


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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2007, 11:18:26 AM »
Are you going back to the fertile crescent as a Judaic biblical source?  When was the Bible written?  When was the oral tradition preceding the Bible?  Classical antiquity (Ancient Greece & Rome) predates christianity by almost 1000 years.  CA involves geographical locales not oral traditions.

I did not say that ancient Greece and Rome predate Christianity.  I said Judaism predates Greece and Rome and Christianity is based on Judaism, not Greek and Roman myths.

I am not saying that Christianity did not exist.  I am saying that Christ did not exist.  America exists and the ideals of america exist right?  Does Captain America exist?  Not in the sense that he stands out in reality.  He exists as a concept much in the same manner christ existed.

All superheroes are fake...except for superman, he's real.   All gods are fake...except for christ, he's real.

Prophecy is not proof.  It is religious mysticism.  You see it as proof b/c you want to see it as proof. 

In the old testament, the son of god was foretold.  Then when authors wrote the new testament, well I'll be, the son of god makes an appearance.

I don't take that as evidence that Christ existed as the son of God who is also God.  In other words, just b/c the Bible might reference history does not make it a book of history.

Decker,  I know that you are not saying that Christianity did not exist.  And I never said that I have proof of anything, not for you or anybody else, but for myself I do.  What I'm saying is that Jesus did exist.  We can argue about whether he was a mere man or the Son of God, but that's beyond this discussion.  What I am saying is that Jesus did exist, and even if everything that was written about him in the New Testament wasn't true, it certainly was not copied from Greek and Roman myths.  Instead, it is based on the Old Testament.

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Re: Jesus Christ is a myth?
« Reply #62 on: December 19, 2007, 11:27:44 AM »
I did not say that ancient Greece and Rome predate Christianity.  I said Judaism predates Greece and Rome and Christianity is based on Judaism, not Greek and Roman myths.

Decker,  I know that you are not saying that Christianity did not exist.  And I never said that I have proof of anything, not for you or anybody else, but for myself I do.  What I'm saying is that Jesus did exist.  We can argue about whether he was a mere man or the Son of God, but that's beyond this discussion.  What I am saying is that Jesus did exist, and even if everything that was written about him in the New Testament wasn't true, it certainly was not copied from Greek and Roman myths.  Instead, it is based on the Old Testament.
You're a good guy to debate these things with.  I appreciate the time you put into it and I do read all of your posts when we are discussing something.

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« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2007, 11:36:54 AM »
You're a good guy to debate these things with.  I appreciate the time you put into it and I do read all of your posts when we are discussing something.

Thanks, Decker!  Likewise!  You are a well educated and civilized individual!  It's great to be able to have an intelligent discussion with somebody who doesn't resort to name calling and insults for a change.

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« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2007, 03:13:28 PM »
Thanks, Decker!  Likewise!  You are a well educated and civilized individual!  It's great to be able to have an intelligent discussion with somebody who doesn't resort to name calling and insults for a change.

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« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2007, 01:40:55 AM »
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