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[NeoSeminole]

Why is Hovind a piece of shit?

Hovind spits out many lies so rapidly that it's impossible to counter all of them in an oral debate. Here's one example (note: this is just 1 of 6 pages).

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html

As you can see, the amount of effort and time spent refuting only 15 of his lies is far far greater than the amount of time it takes for him to spread them. Hovind relies on a rapid assault of misconceptions and his fake credentials to impress gullible audiences. However, he avoids written debates where his arguments can be examined in detail like the plague. These sites do a great job of exposing his lies.

Analysis of Kent Hovind
http://www.kent-hovind.com

A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html

Till-Hovind Debate
http://www.skeptictank.org/hovind2.htm

A Response to Kent Hovind's Coast-to-Coast AM Interview
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/hovind_fractured_fairy_tales.htm

Furthermore, the fact you defend Kent Hovind proves that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Look up his credentials. He's not even a real Dr. like he claims. He recieved a "Ph.D" in Christian education from a diploma mill. Hovind says that he's been teaching science for 15 yrs. However, he neglects to mention that he taught at a christian school he founded b/c no public schools would hire him.

[columbusdude82]

There, you saved him the trouble of doing his homework. As for him not knowing what he is talking about, we established that on the previous page.

[columbusdude82]

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If its boring then why do you respond. The big bang theory is mythology

... as opposed to the talking-snake theory...

[columbusdude82]

The Bible is a respectable source of information for millions of people. Until you can come up with something solid to disprove it then it will always be respectable. As far as it being a science book, well you can call what you like history, science, religion, I'll call it the Bible.

Yes, why do science or any of that "logic" stuff when we have the Bible...

People already tried having the Bible as a source of information. That was called the Middle Ages.

Only when the Bible and the meddling clerics and religious prudes were told to mind their own business did mankind really begin to understand disease, the universe, the human body, and all those other wonderful things we learned since the Enlightenment.

[OzmO]

Yes, why do science or any of that "logic" stuff when we have the Bible...

People already tried having the Bible as a source of information. That was called the Middle Ages.

Only when the Bible and the meddling clerics and religious prudes were told to mind their own business did mankind really begin to understand disease, the universe, the human body, and all those other wonderful things we learned since the Enlightenment.

umm actually int he middle ages very few people knew what was written in the Bible becuase:

1.  few knew how to read
2.  Masses were said in latin

Science had it's uses for clerics in war,  no one questioned our origins then becuase anything outside the church doctrine meant a personal barbecue.

People were told what to believe for the purpose of control not for defining the truth.

[columbusdude82]

Good point. OzmO, but the Middle Ages were also the period of the supremacy of religion and clerical authority. Never since has the Bible held such sway over public life, and I hope, never again!

[OzmO]

Good point. OzmO, but the Middle Ages were also the period of the supremacy of religion and clerical authority. Never since has the Bible held such sway over public life, and I hope, never again!

Me too.    Religion should forever be a personal thing.

[gcb]

Surely Onetimehard is a gimick no?

[nzhardgain]

Good point. OzmO, but the Middle Ages were also the period of the supremacy of religion and clerical authority. Never since has the Bible held such sway over public life, and I hope, never again!

The public were allowed to read the bible in the middle ages?Or just told what to do without any room for critical thought?

[loco]

People already tried having the Bible as a source of information. That was called the Middle Ages.

No, columbusdude82, not the Bible.  In the Middle Ages, Roman Catholic dogma and traditions were the source of information.  The Bible actually contradicts these traditions and dogma.  The Catholic church knew this, so they had the Bible translated to Latin and outlawed any other translation of the Bible. 

As OzmO said, the general population could not read, let alone read Latin.  As OzmO said, mass was in Latin.  Any educated person who could read Latin was still not allowed to read the Bible.  The Bible could be read only by church leaders.

Many Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek copies of the Bible were collected and hidden from the public, and other copies were destroyed.  Translating the Bible to the language of the common man was outlawed.

[columbusdude82]

Where did our Nobel laureate go Is he off to Sweden already

[columbusdude82]

Come back, O Nobel-winning one!

We could use some more of your ground-breaking scientific discoveries!!!

[columbusdude82]

Our brilliant scientist is back!

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Actually that makes more sense then anything. Think about it, The first man and women wrote about themselves. This is the most obvious thing to do considering we (nowadays) store information about everything including things that don't really matter. If this wasn't true why was there no oppisition about this concept in the past, 3000 years ago in the days of the trojens or the days of king David or king Benhadad of syria, or later dates from Assyria and Babylonia. I mean wouldn't it be easy to know that a flood didn't happen 1400 years earlier.

BTW almost everything you've learned in your life has come from a book

Do the planets have a stamp on the that sais "hi, I'm Jupitor and I've been living here for 4.6 billion years''? and do the dinosaure bones have a tag when they get dugged out saying " Im 65 million years old"? and has A Macro-evolution ever been observed? NO NO NO. All you know about a bone buried in the ground is that it was once a life form that died.

You call that reason? I call that faith.

I must say some of the things you say sound intelligent, but some of the things you say are plain stuped.

Oh, the irony right there... but I'm afraid it is lost on him!!!

World not being perfect....huh. If you shrunk the earth to the size of a pool ball, it would be just as round and just as smooth. If the earth was 1 querter of an astronamical mile closer to the sun we would roast, and 1 q further we would freeze.

Beachbum was obviously saying the earth was perfect in comparising to other heavenly body's not your fantasy of a planet that evolved from an object the size of a grain of sand that exploded 20 billion years ago.

bombarded...lol. I 100% agree with you on the bacteria and yes Micro-evolution exist, but it should be called something else because the name implies that it is proof that evelution is real. But there are limits to mutations; in the case of the bacteria, it can change over and over , but it will always be bacteria. A monkey cannot turn into a human and nothing of this sort has ever been observed.

A lot of people on earth believe in evolution and God, nobody's perfect. This could be because they hold there faith without going into direct detail about either subject. Personally I believe its foolish to believe in both, afterall they are direct oppisites. If cristians believe in evolution does this mean they won't be saved? Absolutely not. Of the few that have studied creation and evolution and still belive in both, more then likely its because in the Bible it states that 1 day for God is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like one day, hence they make the false assumption that the six day creation plus one day rest is not a litteral term.

hope this helps.

At first I thought you were just kidding around, but now I see that you are at the very least interested and approaching this subject with an open mind. I too believe that it was possible that Adam and Eve looked different then the way humans do now. Possibly taller and bigger bone structures maybe a different pigment in the skin, maybe less hair maybe more hair, possibly different tones in their voices, maybe they could here better, possibly bigger and stronger tendons and ligaments and of course they lived over 900 years. This all changed after the flood because pre-flood created things more impressively due to a richer atmospheric preasure. Evidence of this all over the world; example, elephant- willy mammoth, tiger- sabertooth. Clearly this is the oppisite of evolution. Miner changes occur within the species but there are bounderies and laws that will not be broken.

The Bible is perfectly clear on the following;( quick outline for you so you get a better understanding)

4000 bc- Adam and Eve, lived past 900
2400 bc- Noah and the flood, everybody came from Noah
1800 bc- Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the 12 tribes of Isreal
1350 bc- Moses and the ten commanments, the exodus and the crossing of the red sea
1010 bc- King Saul, King David, and King Solomon.
930  bc-  Divided Kingdom
700  bc- Assyria conquers Samaria
550  bc- Babylonian Exile
450  bc- Persian rule
320  bc- Alexander the great, Greek rule
year 0  - Jesus, during Roman rule

As you can see there is no room for Cosmic evolution, Steller evolution, Chemical evelution, Organic evolution, or Macro evolution.

This is like having a German sheppard and a putol, although different they are both still dogs if a dog changed into cat then that would be evidance, but the only change is in size, means nothing we even havw human midgets.

Better yet, The size of the matter that exploded was smaller the this period.

Isn't that like saying 1 + 1 = 656353537374335755356453 753737345356337655653444 553453

IS THIS GUY FOR REAL???

Please, please, loco, tell me this is your gimmick account that you amuse yourself with...

[Deicide]

Our brilliant scientist is back!

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Oh, the irony right there... but I'm afraid it is lost on him!!!

IS THIS GUY FOR REAL???

Please, please, loco, tell me this is your gimmick account that you amuse yourself with...

I think he is real and he lives in trailer in Kentucky, right near the creationist museum. 

[ATHEIST]

Look up his credentials. He's not even a real Dr. like he claims. He recieved a "Ph.D" in Christian education from a diploma mill. Hovind says that he's been teaching science for 15 yrs. However, he neglects to mention that he taught at a christian school he founded b/c no public schools would hire him.

ouch.

[Decker]

i love this thread .


why do creationists think that people in scientific fields are hiding some sinister secret?

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That's the creationists' main line of argumentation against evolution:  it's a device constructed by Satan to draw mankind from godliness into secularism.  The Bible is true and god created all.  Evolution is at odds with the bible therefore it is a tool of Satan.

Makes sense to me.