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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2008, 01:47:01 PM »
I never said that Squab.. I'm sure you train hard.. But I train hard also.. I lift weights..Then a few hrs.later I train at a boxing gym with my son.. I never thought I'd see my abs,but I can..I started working out with my son... just to spend time with him ..
 I don't do drugs(steroids). I don't do it for contests ,or to be the biggest guy on the block.. I do it to stay healthy and fit!
good for you, maybe we have different goals, i'll start doing some cardio when i feel ready to do it.

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2008, 01:50:07 PM »
Based on my research it seems that people alternatively say it's super dangerous or they have gotten the first good night's rest in years from it. Which is it?

Zolpidem Tartrate (Ambien)

Discuss...

Best for a good live and good sleep.


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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2008, 01:50:25 PM »
I never said that Squab.. I'm sure you train hard.. But I train hard also.. I lift weights..Then a few hrs.later I train at a boxing gym with my son.. I never thought I'd see my abs,but I can..I started working out with my son... just to spend time with him ..
I don't do drugs(steroids). I don't do it for contests ,or to be the biggest guy on the block.. I do it to stay healthy and fit!

PUSSY ;D

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2008, 01:51:07 PM »
good for you, maybe we have different goals, i'll start doing some cardio when i feel ready to do it.
Good for you ..Remember ..We do this to be healthy and fit..Alot of people see these juice monsters ..and believe that's what they want to look like .. We're on these boards long enough to read what happends to these guys..Not that it doesn't happen to regular folks ..But their shit is out there for the world to see ..And I don't want any part of it . My son would be crushed and disappointed at me ,If I ever cheated... and he found out .

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« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2008, 01:54:17 PM »
PUSSY ;D

Jason
Okay Pigg.. You're probalby some fat fvck ...that needs an Oxygen tank to make it from the Bench press machine to the incline machine..

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2008, 01:59:35 PM »
Okay Pigg.. You're probalby some fat fvck ...that needs an Oxygen tank to make it from the Bench press machine to the incline machine..
Jason has squatted 800 pounds and deadlifted 650 in official competition and sustained a brutal arm injury fighting in Afghanistan.

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« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2008, 02:02:58 PM »
Jason has squatted 800 pounds and deadlifted 650 in official competition and sustained a brutal arm injury fighting in Afghanistan.
If he doesn't respect me ? I will not respect him.. I don't give a fvck what that fat fvck lifts!

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« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2008, 02:08:31 PM »
Okay Pigg.. You're probalby some fat fvck ...that needs an Oxygen tank to make it from the Bench press machine to the incline machine..

You are right...I am a fat shit...sorry you didnt catch the humor in the post.

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2008, 02:10:04 PM »
I also noticed trying to read Vince Basile's or HowieW's posts puts me out quick.

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2008, 02:12:43 PM »
I also noticed trying to read Vince Basile's or HowieW's posts puts me out quick.


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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2008, 02:18:04 PM »

;D

All I see is a big blob of navy blue as my eyes start to droop and my mind goes blank.

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« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2008, 02:20:21 PM »
All I see is a big blob of navy blue as my eyes start to droop and my mind goes blank.


Chaps! My speedos! Fat sheilas!

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2008, 02:21:28 PM »

Chaps! My speedos! Fat sheilas!

That's why I try and scroll up if I'm reading anything of Basile's before 9 pm.

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2008, 03:10:21 PM »
Don't forget that Valium has metabolites with a half-life of like 200 hours. That's why habituation can develop even with a fairly infrequent administration. Ambien is also a "GABA-ergic" but the half-life is really short. Therefore you aren't messing with the GABA system round the clock.

I think you should mess with the GABA system as little as possible. IMO it's better to go with stuff like Trazadone, Propiomazin (I use this, not habit forming), Hydroxyzine, diphenhydramine or even Remeron before going the benzo route.

you might be thinking of clonazepam but valium certainly doesnt have effects that long, nor does it cause binding for that long. using them twice a week is perfectly fine, i would only be worried about clonazepam or xanax xr, not diazepam.

benzos are gaba a receptors agonists, ambien is a non benzodiazipine gaba b receptor agonist. gabatril might be worth looking in too. all benzos make sleep quality shit. your other advice is solid, but diphenhydramine fucks rem sleep to hell, so only as needed.

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2008, 03:25:57 PM »
Try a tumbler of jack daniels and 1mg of alprazolam.  you'll sleep like a baby. ;D

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #90 on: February 03, 2008, 03:28:55 PM »
you might be thinking of clonazepam but valium certainly doesnt have effects that long, nor does it cause binding for that long. using them twice a week is perfectly fine, i would only be worried about clonazepam or xanax xr, not diazepam.

benzos are gaba a receptors agonists, ambien is a non benzodiazipine gaba b receptor agonist. gabatril might be worth looking in too. all benzos make sleep quality shit. your other advice is solid, but diphenhydramine fucks rem sleep to hell, so only as needed.
No, I'm talking about Diazepam. From Wiki:

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Diazepam is metabolised via oxidative pathways in the liver via the cytochrome P450 enzyme system. It has a biphasic half-life of 1-2 and 2-5 days, and has several pharmacologically active metabolites. The main active metabolite of diazepam is desmethyldiazepam (also known as nordazepam or nordiazepam). Diazepam's other active metabolites include temazepam and oxazepam. These metabolites are conjugated with glucuronide, and are excreted primarily in the urine. Because of these active metabolites, the serum values of diazepam alone are not useful in predicting the effects of the drug.[27][11][29]

Diazepam has a half-life (t1/2α) of 20-50 hours, and desmethyldiazepam has a half-life of 30-200 hours and is considered to be a long acting benzodiazepine.[11]

If you have info to the contrary I'm all ears.

Diazepam itself has a half-life of up to 50 hours. That's long, and even if not taken every day you are never cleaning out completely and giving the GABA receptors a rest.

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #91 on: February 03, 2008, 03:34:43 PM »
No, I'm talking about Diazepam. From Wiki:

If you have info to the contrary I'm all ears.

Diazepam itself has a half-life of up to 50 hours. That's long, and even if not taken every day you are never cleaning out completely and giving the GABA receptors a rest.


sorry i was thinking lorazepam(ativan). your right, diazepam is a longer acting hypnotic, anxiolytic agent like klonopin.

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ps you dont know what your talking about :D

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #92 on: February 03, 2008, 04:10:27 PM »
i think were just overtraining, all the ephedrine, caffeine etc wrecks havoc on our  central nervous systems

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2008, 08:16:05 PM »
You are right...I am a fat shit...sorry you didnt catch the humor in the post.

Jason
I apologize.. I did see the humor.... after I replied, and Squab Quoted.. Sorry.

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Re: Ambien...has anyone tried it for insomnia?
« Reply #94 on: February 03, 2008, 08:57:30 PM »
I apologize.. I did see the humor.... after I replied, and Squab Quoted.. Sorry.
Its okay...its the G&O ;D

Jason