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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2008, 06:57:48 AM »
Polls Show Obama Gaining, Holding Steady in Key States

Despite a weekend of negative coverage following his controversial remarks about some small town Americans, Barack Obama appears to be holding steady or making gains in the next three primary states, according to a just released poll.

Most surprisingly, the new LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows Obama ahead of Hillary Clinton by 5 points in Indiana (40 to 35 percent), a state with demographics that favor the New York senator and one where other recent polls have shown her with a lead.

The poll also shows Clinton only holds a 5 point lead in Pennsylvania (48 to 43 percent). That margin is among the slimmest measured between to the two candidates and is significantly less than the double digit lead Clinton held there two weeks ago.

In North Carolina, the new survey shows Obama with a 13 point lead (47-34 percent), a margin that is consistent with other recent polls in that state.

Pennsylvania votes April 22 while Indiana and North Carolina vote two weeks later on May 6. Should Clinton win in Pennsylvania, some political observers have said she must score a victory in at least one of the May 6 states to make a compelling argument to continue her presidential campaign.

The poll was conducted over five days (April 10-14), the majority of which came after Obama's now famous "bitter" comments first surfaced.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2008, 06:58:35 AM »
When ur trying to portray urself as a man of the people and u talk down to Middle America, its a big deal. I'm sure the Dems and media will continue to ignore Obama's faults until its too late. Obama is as full of shit as the rest of them.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2008, 07:06:17 AM »
I will say the depiction of Michelle is prolly right ;D  Not a big fan of hot poker in the ass almighty black women.  Even black comedians go there so I don't feel bad about saying that.  They need to cool the fuck down for a minute :)

Is it empowered women that you hate?  Or just when they're black?

I'm trying to figure out if a political board moderator is saying he hates women, or hates black women?

(Cue BB posting some old post 240 made about scott peterson, or making fun of the fact I'm a stay at home dad, instead of actually addressing the issue that yes, a moderator here is making racist and sexist posts)

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2008, 07:14:20 AM »
Is it empowered women that you hate?  Or just when they're black?

I'm trying to figure out if a political board moderator is saying he hates women, or hates black women?

(Cue BB posting some old post 240 made about scott peterson, or making fun of the fact I'm a stay at home dad, instead of actually addressing the issue that yes, a moderator here is making racist and sexist posts)
Sounds like he has a personal problem (with black women) that he needs to work out, 240.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2008, 07:18:15 AM »
that sounds like you have an insecurity regarding your own intellect

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. - Confucius

I'm quite comfortable with who I am and try to live my life guided by my principals.

Part of being a great leader, Benny, is convincing others that your vision of the future is the right one to follow. Not by guilt or shame but through appealing to a man's desire to be a part of something bigger than himself.



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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2008, 07:18:58 AM »
Sounds like he has a personal problem (with black women) that he needs to work out, 240.

That's okay if he has issues.

It's when he wears the 'moderator' tag while working it out that he makes it look like this board is run by sexist thugs.  His 'halfrican' posts in the past were a bit unsettling, but this outright admission that he hates to see empowered black woman... well, it's not the image I want the political board having, that's for sure.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2008, 07:25:39 AM »
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. - Confucius

I'm quite comfortable with who I am and try to live my life guided by my principals.

Part of being a great leader, Benny, is convincing others that your vision of the future is the right one to follow. Not by guilt or shame but through appealing to a man's desire to be a part of something bigger than himself.

I think Obama's doing pretty well in the inspiration department w8tlftr, given the fact that he has generated voting in record numbers in the primaries. He is winning the youth vote by huge margins, and the young are the group most likely to be inspired by politicians. As people grow older they often become more cynical and hardened in their beliefs and prejudices.

Just because Obama's speech makes you feel inadequate does not mean he is not inspiring millions of other people.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2008, 07:32:25 AM »
The guy dismissed an entire segment of the country. He has stood up for a racist pastor. He has a hard time when he speaks without prepared speeches. I don't mean Bush like, I mean he can't think on his feet. What exactly has this guy inspired. He started out with all this high flying nonsense, since then its been about race, religion and guns. What does he stand for besides higher taxes and big government. He has never...never reached across the isle on any major legislation...he's done very little in Congress.. hell most of his supporters are hard pressed to name his positions. He's backed off pulling out of Iraq and his economic policies as laid out are too expensive to accomplish. Half the people who voite fopr him hate Hil more then they like him....whatever dude..glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight who would have been dismissed had Hil not been afraid of his skin color. She had plenty to attack but her own race issues did not allow her to attack his postions, thinking she she would be attacking a black man.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2008, 07:39:07 AM »
He has a hard time when he speaks without prepared speeches. I don't mean Bush like, I mean he can't think on his feet.

If this is true, he'll be thoroughly exposed and rattled in the debates with Mccain.

Same with mccain.  If he's an angry fearmonger who snaps at people, that'll be exposed too.

Bush was exposed as a simple man, and kerry was exposed as an elitist snob, in their debates.

this whole election depends on the debate.  Mccain forgetting who the enemy was 6 times, and obama's pastor, don't matter much.  it all comes down to who the American idol-viewing public likes more on TV in the debates, a stark contrast between old and new up there.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2008, 07:41:42 AM »
The best debates will be where they can sorta cross examine each other. I have watched Obama on Russert and he has gotten shaken up...he says crazy things when not prepared...invaded pakistan, no nukes, the Penn quote.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2008, 07:42:39 AM »
I think Obama's doing pretty well in the inspiration department w8tlftr, given the fact that he has generated voting in record numbers in the primaries. He is winning the youth vote by huge margins, and the young are the group most likely to be inspired by politicians. As people grow older they often become more cynical and hardened in their beliefs and prejudices.

Just because Obama's speech makes you feel inadequate does not mean he is not inspiring millions of other people.


Inadequate? At what point in any of my posts did I ever say that? Is that your qualified psychological analysis, Dr. Benny?

There is no denying he is "inspiring" millions of young voters but I'm curious to know how many of those young voters have spent any significant time in the real world working, paying taxes, or lived abroad in countries less affluent than the United States? Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say their opinion matters less than that of an older voter. I'm saying that when you're young your view of the world, and how it works, is much different than the one you have when you're older.

There's a good reason why people become wiser (and even more cynical and hardened) as they age. Experience is a hell of a teacher.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2008, 07:47:55 AM »
When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2008, 07:59:41 AM »
When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.

come on HH6,

do you really think the military presence overseas will be THAT MUCH different under obama or hilary than it will under mccain?

they're all going to do pretty much the same thing.  Obama might pull out more troops initially to show his lib base that he means business, but at the end of 4 years, we're still going to be proxy fighting iran, we're still going to be living large in bases on iraq protecting oil infrastructure, and the candidate will still be blaming the other party's congress for whatever crapstorm we're in next.

there isn't going to be a lot of difference between whoever is in power.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2008, 08:02:04 AM »
When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.

When I was young and inexperienced I had a completely different view of the world. Living in an insulated bubble does that to a person. It's easy (and convenient) to think that the government should provide for everything.

I see it today with my kids. It amazes me how they to try to justify colorful ways to spend my money. Nothing is ever appreciated if you never have to work for it.


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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2008, 08:03:22 AM »
The guy dismissed an entire segment of the country. He has stood up for a racist pastor. He has a hard time when he speaks without prepared speeches. I don't mean Bush like, I mean he can't think on his feet. What exactly has this guy inspired. He started out with all this high flying nonsense, since then its been about race, religion and guns. What does he stand for besides higher taxes and big government. He has never...never reached across the isle on any major legislation...he's done very little in Congress.. hell most of his supporters are hard pressed to name his positions. He's backed off pulling out of Iraq and his economic policies as laid out are too expensive to accomplish. Half the people who voite fopr him hate Hil more then they like him....whatever dude..glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight who would have been dismissed had Hil not been afraid of his skin color. She had plenty to attack but her own race issues did not allow her to attack his postions, thinking she she would be attacking a black man.
Your hatred is palpable!  ;D

What will you do when this "black man" is elected? haha You will likely have a heart attack.  ;D

If Obama can't speak without "prepared speeches", how does he survive in all of the debates thus far? He's won the last couple of debates against Hillary if you have not watched. Your hero John McCain is FAR worse than Obama without prepared text. He can't even get his facts straight on Iraq, which is supposed to be his strength.

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The guy dismissed an entire segment of the country.
In what way did Obama "dismiss" a segment of the country by telling the truth? You'll have to explain this further.

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He has stood up for a racist pastor.
What did the Rev. Wright say that was racist? Do you think Martin Luther King Jr. was "racist" too? I don't normally expect a pastor to use some of the word Wright used in the pulpit, but I do not see racism in his speeches.

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What does he stand for besides higher taxes and big government.
Healthcare for all, getting us out of Iraq, more robust diplomacy in foriegn affairs, for starters. Your hero McCain wants us to stay in Iraq for 100 years and tax cuts for the wealthy. Why give Americans "straight talk" when you can just promise them lower taxes and pass the deficit to the next president?

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He has never...never reached across the isle on any major legislation...he's done very little in Congress.. hell most of his supporters are hard pressed to name his positions.
I just named a few of his positions...I doubt you are in a position to explain how knowledgeable most of Obama's supporters are.

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Half the people who voite fopr him hate Hil more then they like him
Please show me where you got your number that half of Obama's supporters are voting against Hillary instead of for Obama. Hillary is most certainly polarizing, but I don't believe people come out to vote in primaries to vote against a candidate. That is more likely in a general election.

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glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight who would have been dismissed had Hil not been afraid of his skin color. She had plenty to attack but her own race issues did not allow her to attack his postions, thinking she she would be attacking a black man.
Black men have been attacked and demonized in American politics for hundreds of years. Why is now any different? I hardly see being black as an advantage. If it was/is, then why is Obama the only black person in the senate?

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glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight
As opposed to the guy who graduated at the bottom of his class in high school and college, and has used his POW status to push forward his political ambition?






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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2008, 08:05:08 AM »
there isn't going to be a lot of difference between whoever is in power.

Quoted for truth.


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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2008, 08:08:55 AM »
The best debates will be where they can sorta cross examine each other. I have watched Obama on Russert and he has gotten shaken up...he says crazy things when not prepared...invaded pakistan, no nukes, the Penn quote.
And McCain hasn't gotten rattled?  ::) He is a terrible public speaker. The guy can't even get the facts straight on Iraq.
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2008, 08:18:36 AM »
Inadequate? At what point in any of my posts did I ever say that?
You did not have to "say" it for it to come through in your words.

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Is that your qualified psychological analysis, Dr. Benny?
I'm not a doctor, but I played one on tv.  :D

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There is no denying he is "inspiring" millions of young voters but I'm curious to know how many of those young voters have spent any significant time in the real world working, paying taxes, or lived abroad in countries less affluent than the United States?
So if you are in college your thoughts and opinions are irrelevant? Obama is leading among voters under 45. I think most of those people have worked and paid taxes.  ::) As far as living abroad, I agree that living overseas is a great experience. However, 70% of Americans don't even own a passport. I bet most who have the experience of living in third world countries, such as Peace Corps volunteers, vote democrat.

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There's a good reason why people become wiser (and even more cynical and hardened) as they age. Experience is a hell of a teacher.
Not all people become wiser as they age.  ;)
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2008, 08:19:33 AM »
And McCain hasn't gotten rattled?  ::) He is a terrible public speaker. The guy can't even get the facts straight on Iraq.

The debates will show all.

Personally, I thought Obama was mr GQ in the debates with hilary.  Russert rattles everyone.  Russert closed down the Ron paul movement in 15 seconds.

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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2008, 08:24:04 AM »
When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.
So at what age would Americans have the right to vote in your world?

The debates will show all.

Personally, I thought Obama was mr GQ in the debates with hilary.  Russert rattles everyone.  Russert closed down the Ron paul movement in 15 seconds.
Bush was the perfect Manchurian Candidate in the debates against Gore. He had the ability to memorize the Karl Rove talking points and never get too rattled against a guy clearly smarter than he. I don't see McCain being able to do the "Manchurian thing" as well.
Personally, I think the debates simply harden people's previous views.
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