Peter Putnam and Bob Chic train...............

[S_Samuel]

Do you even understand what genetics are?  Like I said they dictate everything.  Recovery, partitioning, insulin sensitivity, GH production, Test production, down to things as simple as leverage when doing a certain movement.  No other "sport" relies as much on genetics as bodybuilding.  Only 2% of the population could EVER look like Ronnie Coleman with all the drugs, special diets, and perfect training.  Why is that so hard for you guys to admit?  Does it hamper your own personal goals and ambitions?  If anything realizing your genetic potential should free you and allow you a sense of peace within.  Otherwise you'll constantly be trying to achieve something you never will. Hence why so many guys turn to steroids and drugs.  They think it will give them that edge and make up for shitty genetics when all the top guys have the drugs + genetics.  Mike Arvilla will never have the physique of a top pro bber  now matter how perfect his "ball of wax" is.  No matter how many drugs he uses or no matter how perfect his training is.  That's GENETICS!  I'm sure Mike probably wishes he was 5'9-5'11 instead of 6'2.  Taller bodybuilders are at a huge disadvantage in so many ways.  I know I'm 6'5.  Do you honestly think Dirk Nowitzki could EVER be a professional bodybuilder no matter how hard he trained or how perfect he ate or how many drugs he took?  Of course not.  Bodybuilding operates within a specific spectrum of somatotypes etc.  

I understand that completely. But someone with not so good genetics, can make it in bodybuilding. Not to Ronnie's level obviously, but they can make it.

[MuscleMcMannus]

I understand that completely. But someone with not so good genetics, can make it in bodybuilding. Not to Ronnie's level obviously, but they can make it.

Of course.  If you've got one guy that has great genetics but still doesn't eat right, is lazy etc.  And you've got another guy with not so good genetics who does everything perfectly he most certainly will go farther than the genetically gifted guy.  But what if both guys do everything right?  Someone with not so good genetics has to rely on the guy with great genetics fucking up somewhere along his training or nutrition?  LOL.  Or in the most extreme scenario both guys do everything perfectly.  The guy with not so good genetics has to take 1500mgs of test a week vs. the guy with great genetics who only has to take 500mgs of test a  week.  And so you have the field of bodybuilding competition in the 21st century.  If you have a dream of going far in bodybuilding what's that say?  A genetically average guy will encounter the genetically gifted guy at some point in his career and his days of competition or over. 

[Pete Nice]

give a 22 year old Bo Jackson or Herschel Walker Ronnie's drug, training and diet regimen and they'd have made him look like a fly.

bingo

[michael arvilla]

I'm not downplaying Genetics................ .that's a given,fact of the matter is 90% of us don't have superior bodybuilding genetics ...........so for those of us not in the "genetically elite" category nutrition is a HUGE factor
i see guys in the same gym year after year and they always look the same/never progress
WHY
NUTRITION ........(they don't eat enough/eat enough of the right kinds of foods)
they are there training hard and heavy (but skip/miss meals etc etc)


for years i wanted to do a show/compete ...............didn't/couldn't happen until Larry taught me about NUTRITION (keeping a food log,not relying so heavily on shakes etc) eating every 3- 4 hrs 35- 40 grams of protein per meal  etc etc
i trained hard all those years......what was missing was my diet