Does this have religous significance?

[liberalismo]

Sure they do.  Both scientists and investors have already put a lot of money, time, work and energy into the so far useless embryonic stem cells research.  Those scientists are still hoping it will produce results so they'll get their recognition and so they won't lose their funding.  Those investors are still hoping that it will produce results so that they'll make money instead of flushing down the toilet what they've already invested.

Most scientists are smart and would abandon ineffective methods if they were known to be ineffective.

Those who believe in the santity of life, in defending those who can't defend themselves, in speaking for those you can't speak for themselves will always opose abortion and the destruction of human life for research's sake.

You're a crazyman. Stop refering to microscopic embryos as if they are babies. Let's be real here. Stop the dishonesty.

All of that aside, why would Americans want their tax dollars wasted on embryonic stem cell research?

And why is nobody here yet debating the evidence that McWay has posted?  Are you all blind, or do you just choose to be blind?  And then they say that Christians are sheep.   

Most scientists don't believe the Embryonic stem cells are a waste, because if they did then there would not be an issue as they would have abandoned them. McWay posts nonsense from religious websites dedicated to propaganda, this is why no one responds. It's all he knows and all he can do. Were he to be honest and post genuine peer reviewed studies in reputable journals from reputable websites then people would pay more attention, but instead he posts religious propaganda. No surprise.

[MCWAY]

Most scientists are smart and would abandon ineffective methods if they were known to be ineffective.


You're a crazyman. Stop refering to microscopic embryos as if they are babies. Let's be real here. Stop the dishonesty.



Most scientists don't believe the Embryonic stem cells are a waste, because if they did then there would not be an issue as they would have abandoned them. McWay posts nonsense from religious websites dedicated to propaganda, this is why no one responds. It's all he knows and all he can do. Were he to be honest and post genuine peer reviewed studies in reputable journals from reputable websites then people would pay more attention, but instead he posts religious propaganda. No surprise.

More like you’re coming with pitiful excuses. You asked for peer-reviewed studies.

Then, when you get them, you tuck tail and run, just as you did the last time I posted them.

Plus, there’s the other issue that you can’t seem to face: NAME ONE SINGLE DISEASE THAT HAD BEEN CURED OR TREATED WITH EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

If there are "genuine peer reviewed studies in reputable journals from reputable websites" that can address the aforementioned request, LET'S SEE IT.

Quit quibbling and making excuses. You claimed that the stats showing the 73 diseases treated by adult stem cells weren't credible. Back your claim up.

Once again, the score remains: Adult cells - 73; embryonic cells - ZERO. If you have information to the contrary, for what are you waiting, an engraved invitation?

[MCWAY]

I said that the stats that you're posing aren't credible. Not that there aren't a few studies showing that adult stemcells can be effective.

There are a lot more than a few. What I've posted is simply a sample of them.

As far as I know, Adult stem cells haven't "Cured" any diseases. They have been shown to be effective in treating some diseases though, but then again, studies show that there are also many possibilities for embryonic stem cells to treat various diseases.

We know the diseases that adult stem cells can treat or cure. Loco listed them, via the link in his first post (and I listed them, one by one, the last time we had this conversation). Conversely, Embryonic stem cells haven't cured or treated JACK. And, even with the "possibilities" for embryonic stem cells, NONE of them indicate that those various diseases could not be treated with adult stem cells, especially with more sources, like baby teeth, being used.

[liberalismo]

More like you’re coming with pitiful excuses. You asked for peer-reviewed studies.

Then, when you get them, you tuck tail and run, just as you did the last time I posted them.

No peer reviewed studies from reputable journals have been posted in this thread.

Plus, there’s the other issue that you can’t seem to face: NAME ONE SINGLE DISEASE THAT HAD BEEN CURED OR TREATED WITH EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

Name one disease that has been cured by adult stem cells.

Embryonic stemcells have only been federally funded since 2001, and even then the stem cell lines that qualified for federal funding were crappy.

Quit quibbling and making excuses. You claimed that the stats showing the 73 diseases treated by adult stem cells weren't credible. Back your claim up.

Once again, the score remains: Adult cells - 73; embryonic cells - ZERO. If you have information to the contrary, for what are you waiting, an engraved invitation?

Where does this 73 number come from? And What is the range of treatment/cure? How many were "cured"? How many simply treat the disease or symptoms of them? How many people participated in each of the trials? How many independent studies support those claims?

Answer these questions without posting anti-embryonic stem cell websites.

[liberalismo]

There are a lot more than a few. What I've posted is simply a sample of them.

We know the diseases that adult stem cells can treat or cure. Loco listed them, via the link in his first post (and I listed them, one by one, the last time we had this conversation). Conversely, Embryonic stem cells haven't cured or treated JACK. And, even with the "possibilities" for embryonic stem cells, NONE of them indicate that those various diseases could not be treated with adult stem cells, especially with more sources, like baby teeth, being used.

Embryonic stemcells are pluripotent, adult stem cells are only multipotent. Embryonic stem cells are much more flexible than adult stem cells.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID={A604DCCE-2E5F-4395-8954-FCE1C05BECED}&NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2ffaqs.asp&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#excited

[MCWAY]

No peer reviewed studies from reputable journals have been posted in this thread.

I linked the references to those studies. But, in case you missed it:

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/asc-refs.pdf

Name one disease that has been cured by adult stem cells.

I believed I used the words, "treated or cured" and Loco put up the link to those diseases.

Embryonic stemcells have only been federally funded since 2001, and even then the stem cell lines that qualified for federal funding were crappy.

You missed the point by a country mile. As Loco mentioned, embryonic stem cell research has been funded federally in other countries, federally funded here and privately funded both here and elsewhere. Yet, it has produced..........ZILCH.

The biotech companies are steering clear of ESCR, because it ain't profitable. Reason: IT DON'T WORK!!!

Adult stem cells, on the other hand, DO WORK (with none of the ethical baggage). That means diseased get treated/cured and $$$$$$ are made. Happy, Happy, Joy Joy!!!

Where does this 73 number come from? And What is the range of treatment/cure? How many were "cured"? How many simply treat the disease or symptoms of them? How many people participated in each of the trials? How many independent studies support those claims?

Answer these questions without posting anti-embryonic stem cell websites.
[/quote]

Again, check Loco's link (of course, I listed every single disease on that list on another thread).

And while you're at it, quit making excuses for your not addressing the issue at hand. I can use any website I want. If you have one that can show ONE disease treated or cured by ESCR, let's see it.

Address the issue and quit attacking the source.

Embryonic stemcells are pluripotent, adult stem cells are only multipotent. Embryonic stem cells are much more flexible than adult stem cells.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID={A604DCCE-2E5F-4395-8954-FCE1C05BECED}&NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2ffaqs.asp&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#excited

So flexible that they haven't cured/treated one single disease, to this day.

Furthermore, adult stem cells are pluripotent as well.

(See Dr. Purdom's article as well as   http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/winter01/stem_cell.html )


It has been known for about 30 years that stem cells are present in the tissue of the adult, but it was assumed that they could only form cells of a particular tissue. That is, reprogramming them was considered impossible. In recent years, however, pluripotent stem cells were discovered in various human tissues–in the spinal cord, in the brain, in the mesenchyme (connective tissue) of various organs, and in the blood of the umbilical cord. These pluripotent stem cells are capable of forming several cell types–principally blood, muscle, and nerve cells. It has been possible to recognize, select, and develop them to the point that they form mature cell types with the help of growth factors and regulating proteins.

[liberalismo]

I linked the references to those studies. But, in case you missed it:

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/asc-refs.pdf

You're too stubborn. I told you already that I don't take anti-embryonic stem cell websites seriously. Post a credible non-bias website.

I believed I used the words, "treated or cured" and Loco put up the link to those diseases.

That's vague terminology. Were they treated OR cured? And to what extent?

You missed the point by a country mile. As Loco mentioned, embryonic stem cell research has been funded federally in other countries, federally funded here and privately funded both here and elsewhere. Yet, it has produced..........ZILCH.

It has produced a lot of scientific knowledge of how pluripotent stemcells develop and differentiate. Also, the funding is minuscule compared to adult stem cells.

The biotech companies are steering clear of ESCR, because it ain't profitable. Reason: IT DON'T WORK!!!

Another claim. Where is the proof?
And don't post an anti-embryonic stem cell website or I'll just ignore it.

Adult stem cells, on the other hand, DO WORK (with none of the ethical baggage). That means diseased get treated/cured and $$$$$$ are made. Happy, Happy, Joy Joy!!!

There is no ethical baggage relating to embryonic stem cells. Just a lot of dumb people who dislike the idea of destroying microscopic cells.

Again, check Loco's link (of course, I listed every single disease on that list on another thread).

See above. I won't repeat myself, from now on I'll just ignore your claims all together. I don't take anti-embryonic stem cell websites seriously. Post direct links to scientific studies posted in credible peer reviewed journals.
Or news links from reputable news organizations.

And while you're at it, quit making excuses for your not addressing the issue at hand. I can use any website I want. If you have one that can show ONE disease treated or cured by ESCR, let's see it.

You can use them and I can ignore them. They are not credible. They are bias and contain B.S.

Address the issue and quit attacking the source.

I have a life. I don't waste time dissecting B.S. sources. Sorry.



Embryonic stem cells require more study and scientists (infinitely smarter than yourself) believe that embryonic stem cells have potential to cure many diseases and also know that adult stem cells don't stack up. Adult stem cells can't differentiate to ALL types of cells, this is where embryonic stem cells come in (which are pluripotent) and can convert into any cell.

[loco]

Adult stem cell treatments used to successfully treat leukemia and related bone/blood cancers utilizing bone marrow transplants:

University of California, San Francisco
http://www.ucsfhealth.org/childrens/medical_services/cancer/bmt/treatments/leukemia.html


Repair of articular cartilage defects in the patello-femoral joint with autologous bone marrow mesenchymal cell transplantation: three case reports involving nine defects in five knees.

PubMed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18038395?ordinalpos=16&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[MCWAY]

You're too stubborn. I told you already that I don't take anti-embryonic stem cell websites seriously. Post a credible non-bias website.

And, you're too chicken. Playing the "oh, that ain't credible" game, when you can't back your statements doesn't cut it.

That's vague terminology. Were they treated OR cured? And to what extent?

I linked the references to the studies that give those details. Once you're done cowering, you can check them out.

Plus, thanks to Loco, you have one less excuse to continue this pitiful posturing.

It has produced a lot of scientific knowledge of how pluripotent stemcells develop and differentiate. Also, the funding is minuscule compared to adult stem cells.

Loco cut that claim to pieces with his first post. The issue with ESCR isn’t funding; the issue is that it’s INEFFECTIVE. And the growing body of scientific evidence continues to show that. That's why a lot of biotech companies don't want to invest in it. They don't like losing money. But, since we now have a president who just loves throwing money at mess that doesn't work (see AIG, Detroit public school system, etc.), we get to see yet more money fluttering away, with nary a disease cured or treated with ESCR.

Another claim. Where is the proof?
And don't post an anti-embryonic stem cell website or I'll just ignore it.

Correction: you'll do the usual hide-and-bleat routine, because (for all your flap about looking at the science and the studies), you tuck tail and run when the studies say something that don't float your boat.

There is no ethical baggage relating to embryonic stem cells. Just a lot of dumb people who dislike the idea of destroying microscopic cells.

People dislike the idea of destroying human life at its most vulnerable stage, ESPECIALLY when it's done in the name of an (TO THIS DAY) ineffective form of research and with a far superior form of stem cell research (with no ethical baggage) exists.

See above. I won't repeat myself, from now on I'll just ignore your claims all together. I don't take anti-embryonic stem cell websites seriously. Post direct links to scientific studies posted in credible peer reviewed journals.

Or news links from reputable news organizations.

Loco's post came from CNN. So, once again, we see your pathetic attempts to duck from the issue by attacking the source, rather than producing the counter-evidence, to back your specific claims. If there were one disease that was treated or cured with ESCR, people would have been blaring it from the rooftops long before now.

You can use them and I can ignore them. They are not credible. They are bias and contain B.S.

B.S. that you have neither the references, nor the SPINE, to counter. In fact, YOU were the one that claimed that only embryonic stem cells were pluripotent, which is utterly FALSE.

I have a life. I don't waste time dissecting B.S. sources. Sorry.

I have a life, too. But, taking your claims apart is rather easy. So, there's no adverse impact to that life, whatsoever.

Embryonic stem cells require more study and scientists (infinitely smarter than yourself) believe that embryonic stem cells have potential to cure many diseases and also know that adult stem cells don't stack up. Adult stem cells can't differentiate to ALL types of cells, this is where embryonic stem cells come in (which are pluripotent) and can convert into any cell.

Adult stem cells are pluripotent, despite your erroneous claims to the contrary. And, at the end of the day, adult stem cells cure and treat diseases NOW (73 and counting) and will continue to do so, in the future.

Whereas, embryonic stem cells have cured or treated ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING, which is why all you can do is whimper about "potential".

The score remains: Adult stem cells - 73; embryonic stem cells - ZERO.

If you have the good, that show what diseases that ESCR have ACTUALLY CURED OR TREATED, let's see 'em

Tick....tick...tick

[loco]

You're a crazyman. Stop refering to microscopic embryos as if they are babies. Let's be real here. Stop the dishonesty.

Are you calling me loco?  I am loco!   

And this is coming from the same nutjob who insists that intelligence is the solution to all of the world's problems, same nutjob who insists that intelligent people are not and cannot be immoral, greedy and dishonest.   

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=265256.msg3743697#msg3743697

[liberalismo]

Adult stem cell treatments used to successfully treat leukemia and related bone/blood cancers utilizing bone marrow transplants:

University of California, San Francisco
http://www.ucsfhealth.org/childrens/medical_services/cancer/bmt/treatments/leukemia.html


Repair of articular cartilage defects in the patello-femoral joint with autologous bone marrow mesenchymal cell transplantation: three case reports involving nine defects in five knees.

PubMed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18038395?ordinalpos=16&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Yes. Adult stem cells can "Treat" some diseases, but as I said, embryonic stem cells would be able to treat these same diseases as well if they can be treated with adult stem cells. Remember that adult stem cells are multipotent (can convert to a limited number of cells) while embryonic cells are pluripotent (can convert to all cells).


Also, You said "Treated/cured". How many diseases have adult stem cells "cured"?

[liberalismo]

And, you're too chicken. Playing the "oh, that ain't credible" game, when you can't back your statements doesn't cut it.

I linked the references to the studies that give those details. Once you're done cowering, you can check them out.

Plus, thanks to Loco, you have one less excuse to continue this pitiful posturing.

Loco cut that claim to pieces with his first post. The issue with ESCR isn’t funding; the issue is that it’s INEFFECTIVE. And the growing body of scientific evidence continues to show that. That's why a lot of biotech companies don't want to invest in it. They don't like losing money. But, since we now have a president who just loves throwing money at mess that doesn't work (see AIG, Detroit public school system, etc.), we get to see yet more money fluttering away, with nary a disease cured or treated with ESCR.

Correction: you'll do the usual hide-and-bleat routine, because (for all your flap about looking at the science and the studies), you tuck tail and run when the studies say something that don't float your boat.

People dislike the idea of destroying human life at its most vulnerable stage, ESPECIALLY when it's done in the name of an (TO THIS DAY) ineffective form of research and with a far superior form of stem cell research (with no ethical baggage) exists.

Loco's post came from CNN. So, once again, we see your pathetic attempts to duck from the issue by attacking the source, rather than producing the counter-evidence, to back your specific claims. If there were one disease that was treated or cured with ESCR, people would have been blaring it from the rooftops long before now.

B.S. that you have neither the references, nor the SPINE, to counter. In fact, YOU were the one that claimed that only embryonic stem cells were pluripotent, which is utterly FALSE.

I have a life, too. But, taking your claims apart is rather easy. So, there's no adverse impact to that life, whatsoever.

Adult stem cells are pluripotent, despite your erroneous claims to the contrary. And, at the end of the day, adult stem cells cure and treat diseases NOW (73 and counting) and will continue to do so, in the future.

Whereas, embryonic stem cells have cured or treated ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING, which is why all you can do is whimper about "potential".

The score remains: Adult stem cells - 73; embryonic stem cells - ZERO.

If you have the good, that show what diseases that ESCR have ACTUALLY CURED OR TREATED, let's see 'em

Tick....tick...tick

Let us cut through the bullshit and deal with only reputable sources and facts.

1. How many diseases were "Cured" by adult stem cells? Not simply 'treated'?

2. You keep claiming that ESCR is "ineffective". Ok, fine. Provide some reputable sources from peer reviewed journals concluding that ESCR is ineffective.

3. I still want the proof that bio-tech companies are "steering clear" of ESCR. Reputable sources only.

4. Provide scientific proof from reputable peer reviewed journals that destroying stem cells equals "destroying human life".

5. Provide proof that "Adult stem cells" are all pluripotent.

6. You keep touting this 73 diseases number. Provide proof that 73 diseases have been cured with adult stem cells. Including diseases that have been "Treated" isn't useful since diseases can be treated to varying degrees by a vast number of things.


I'll wait.

[liberalismo]

Are you calling me loco?  I am loco!   

And this is coming from the same nutjob who insists that intelligence is the solution to all of the world's problems, same nutjob who insists that intelligent people are not and cannot be immoral, greedy and dishonest.   

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=265256.msg3743697#msg3743697

Yes. Stupid people often consider other people with specific abilities to be "intelligent", but in fact they aren't. You might claim that Stalin or Hitler were generally intelligent but they were not. They had specific abilities, but all around intelligence wise they were quite stupid.

[loco]

Yes. Stupid people often consider other people with specific abilities to be "intelligent", but in fact they aren't. You might claim that Stalin or Hitler were generally intelligent but they were not. They had specific abilities, but all around intelligence wise they were quite stupid.

So Stalin or Hitler may have been stupid.  I'm not arguing that.  You are still claiming that intelligent people are incapable of immorality, greed and dishonesty.   

[loco]

Yes. Adult stem cells can "Treat" some diseases, but as I said, embryonic stem cells would be able to treat these same diseases as well if they can be treated with adult stem cells.

Then why destroy life when Adult stem cells can...have already treated some diseases? 

What diseases has embryonic stem cells treated?

Remember that adult stem cells are multipotent (can convert to a limited number of cells) while embryonic cells are pluripotent (can convert to all cells).

However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.

Plasticity is the ability of stem cells from one adult tissue to generate the differentiated cell types of another tissue.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics5.asp

Also, You said "Treated/cured". How many diseases have adult stem cells "cured"?

What would you consider cured?  I did not mean completely eradicated if that's what you are thinking. 

How many diseases have embryonic stem cells "cured"?

[Hedgehog]

Are you calling me loco?  I am loco!   

And this is coming from the same nutjob who insists that intelligence is the solution to all of the world's problems, same nutjob who insists that intelligent people are not and cannot be immoral, greedy and dishonest.   

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=265256.msg3743697#msg3743697

What's wrong with that statement?

Look at Africa - lots of problems. Also a low level education.

Look at Japan - greatly developed, low crime, et al. Very high level of education.

[loco]

What's wrong with that statement?

Look at Africa - lots of problems. Also a low level education.

Look at Japan - greatly developed, low crime, et al. Very high level of education.

His statement is false.

Intelligent people are just as capable of immorality, greed and dishonesty as anybody.

Intelligence is definitely good and desirable, but not the solution to all the world's problems.

BTW...not sure if liberalismo is talking about intelligence or education.  He said intelligence, but they are two different things.

[liberalismo]

So Stalin or Hitler may have been stupid.  I'm not arguing that.  You are still claiming that intelligent people are incapable of immorality, greed and dishonesty.   

If they have high general intelligence, yes. Simply being mathematically inclined or good at certain things doesn't equal general intelligence in multiple intelligences in my opinion. Neither does having a high "IQ".

[liberalismo]

Then why destroy life when Adult stem cells can...have already treated some diseases? 

What diseases has embryonic stem cells treated?

However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.

Plasticity is the ability of stem cells from one adult tissue to generate the differentiated cell types of another tissue.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics5.asp

What would you consider cured?  I did not mean completely eradicated if that's what you are thinking. 

How many diseases have embryonic stem cells "cured"?

There is nothing special about embryos. They are "alive" in the same sense that a flap of skin is alive. These aren't babies for fuck sake!


Adult stem cells have plasticity, but only to an extent. Most are not pluripotent like embryonic stem cells.


I don't know how many diseases have been treated or cured by embryonic stem cells. You say "none" have? Again, provide credible sources for this from reputable journals. Not bias sites.

[liberalismo]

His statement is false.

Intelligent people are just as capable of immorality, greed and dishonesty as anybody.

Intelligence is definitely good and desirable, but not the solution to all the world's problems.

BTW...not sure if liberalismo is talking about intelligence or education.  He said intelligence, but they are two different things.

You have no concept of what true intelligence is. Intelligence in the sense of the multiple intelligences, general intelligence all around including emotional and logical. Someone who kills people has low emotional intelligence. Someone who lies has low emotional or logical intelligence. Someone who is greedy probably has low emotional intelligence.

[MCWAY]

Yes. Adult stem cells can "Treat" some diseases, but as I said, embryonic stem cells would be able to treat these same diseases as well if they can be treated with adult stem cells. Remember that adult stem cells are multipotent (can convert to a limited number of cells) while embryonic cells are pluripotent (can convert to all cells).


Also, You said "Treated/cured". How many diseases have adult stem cells "cured"?

Yes, Loco stated (as did I) that adult stem cells have treated or cured 73 diseases. What you can't get through your head is that embryonic stem cell research has NEITHER TREATED NOR CURED ONE SINGLE DISEASE.

You have been asked repeatedly to come up with any information to the contrary. Yet, you continue to cluck, duck, and make pitiful excuses for your inability to address the situation.

The links I gave are collection of references to peer-reviewed studies, that back the claims about the diseases treated or cured with adult stem cells, something you claimed wasn't there. But, rather than face that, you want to whine about the sources.

Perhaps, the biggest example of this pitiful tactic is the fact that you repeatedly post this silliness about adult stems cells are being simply multipotent, despite the recent scientific studies that have shown that they are indeed pluripotent, because it repeatedly take your claims apart.

I don't know how many diseases have been treated or cured by embryonic stem cells. You say "none" have? Again, provide credible sources for this from reputable journals. Not bias sites.

OH, you know how many..............it just bruises your feelings to spout that number. Again, if there were any evidence to the contrary, it would have been shown a long time ago.

[loco]

Yes. Adult stem cells can "Treat" some diseases

Yes, that's what MCWAY and I have been saying all along, that Adult stem cells can AND ALREADY HAVE treated diseases.  But you denied it up until we posted, AGAIN, the evidence.

Adult stem cells have plasticity, but only to an extent. Most are not pluripotent like embryonic stem cells.

Adult stem cells have plasticity only to an extent?  Only to what extent?  Where did you get this information from?  Care to share?  Adult stem cell research is still ongoing and so far they have shown no definite limitations that I'm aware of.

I don't know how many diseases have been treated or cured by embryonic stem cells.

Then why don't you stop arguing until you find out?  You don't know because there is none yet.  But even if there was, I'm not saying that there won't be for sure, Adult stem cells still have already shown far more promise than Embryonic stem cells.

You say "none" have? Again, provide credible sources for this from reputable journals. Not bias sites.

That's absurd.  That's like me telling you that there is a Spaghetti Monster in the sky because you can't prove that there isn't. 

The absence of credible sources from reputable journals stating that Embryonic stem cells have already treated diseases is your proof right there that they have not.

[MCWAY]

Yes, that's what MCWAY and I have been saying all along, that Adult stem cells can AND ALREADY HAVE treated diseases.  But you denied it up until we posted, AGAIN, the evidence.

73 of them......and counting!!!

Adult stem cells have plasticity only to an extent?  Only to what extent?  Where did you get this information from?  Care to share?  Adult stem cell research is still ongoing and so far they have shown no definite limitations that I'm aware of.

And, the more that alternate forms of stem cells become available (i.e. baby teeth), the more scientists find those pluripotent stem cells, rendering EVEN LESS the need to use thoe from embryos.

Then why don't you stop arguing until you find out?  You don't know because there is none yet.  But even if there was, I'm not saying that there won't be for sure, Adult stem cells still have already shown far more promise than Embryonic stem cells.

Nor can he show that, in the event that there’s a disease the ESCs can cure, the same disease could not be cured with ASCs.

That was the whole idea behind all the Christopher Reeve flap, back in 2004.

That's absurd.  That's like me telling you that there is a Spaghetti Monster in the sky because you can't prove that there isn't. 

The absence of credible sources from reputable journals stating that Embryonic stem cells have already treated diseases is your proof right there that they have not.

That's why whenever any ailment is successfully treated or cured with stem cells, the ESCR folks hype it up to the gills, trying to take credit for something that was actually treated with adult stem cells.