Slipped Disk in lumbar

[Painlayer69]

Hey guys i was recently diagnosed with a slipped/Herniated disk ( Same Thing ) in my lower back do any of you have this problem?? And if so how do you deal with training with it???


Thanx guys

[Painlayer69]

Just rememberd sorry i didnt post this in the injury rehabilitation thread i have been away from getbig for a while now.

Again sorry

[Moen]

I have between L5 and S1. I manage to train around it, mostly by cleaning up my form on everything that puts more pressure on the spine. So no more sloppy squats (or no more squats at all, depends), certainly no deadlifts, watch out when doing all kinds of bent over rows or overhead stuff and watch out when taking dumbells out of the rack (these dumbell racks seem to be made to give tall guys hernias  )

Probably getting it fixed this summer though, problem is that an orthopaedic surgeon suggested a prosthetic disc while a neurosurgeon advised against that and suggested simply freeing the nerve root. As if its not shitty enough already, you also have to deal with conflicting expert views 

[Rimbaud]

My L4 & L5 are both herniated (don't ask how because I don't have a clue). You sort of learn to live with it I guess. I try to train around it & try to keep my abs strong. I'm trying to avoid surgery for as long as possible which basically means no more heavy squats, heavy leg press, &/or deadlifts. So for legs it's mainly higher reps & for back it's no deadlifts & light bent rows (never over 135lbs.). Be careful & keep your core strong & if you've got excess weight try to drop it.

[Moen]

Any reason you're delaying surgery rimbaud? (Obviously because you dont want to be inactive now but you'll have to be eventually or live with it forever?)

People here that know more about the prosthetic discs?

[Overload]

Not a huge deal.

90% of the population as a herniated disk to some degree.

My lumbar is fucked and i still squat and deadlift pain free every week.

As many said just learn to warm up properly and work around it with good form.

[Redwingenator]

I have between L5 and S1. I manage to train around it, mostly by cleaning up my form on everything that puts more pressure on the spine. So no more sloppy squats (or no more squats at all, depends), certainly no deadlifts, watch out when doing all kinds of bent over rows or overhead stuff and watch out when taking dumbells out of the rack (these dumbell racks seem to be made to give tall guys hernias  )

Probably getting it fixed this summer though, problem is that an orthopaedic surgeon suggested a prosthetic disc while a neurosurgeon advised against that and suggested simply freeing the nerve root. As if its not shitty enough already, you also have to deal with conflicting expert views 

You must be a young guy since they don't do prosthetic discs on older individuals.  When it comes to disc injuries with nerve root compression a neurosurgeon will typically give the best advise.  Neuros respect the delicate tissues of the CNS.  The problem with prosthetic discs is that once that sucker is in there you can never go back to where you were prior to surgery.  The best approach is typically symptom management until your quality of life reaches a point where it is significantly compromised.

The interesting thing is that the prosthetic disc probably won't be around much longer.  Research is close to being able to inject grow factors and manipulate gene expression in intervertebral discs.

[Moen]

You must be a young guy since they don't do prosthetic discs on older individuals.  When it comes to disc injuries with nerve root compression a neurosurgeon will typically give the best advise.  Neuros respect the delicate tissues of the CNS.  The problem with prosthetic discs is that once that sucker is in there you can never go back to where you were prior to surgery.  The best approach is typically symptom management until your quality of life reaches a point where it is significantly compromised.

The interesting thing is that the prosthetic disc probably won't be around much longer.  Research is close to being able to inject grow factors and manipulate gene expression in intervertebral discs.

Thanks for the info! The irreversibility of the prosthetic disc is indeed what lead the neurosurgeon to say no.

That begs the question: is there something inherently bad about these prosthetic discs? Do they not function properly or? Because if they were that good, irreversibility would not seem that much of an issue to me

[Moen]

Not a huge deal.

90% of the population as a herniated disk to some degree.

My lumbar is fucked and i still squat and deadlift pain free every week.

As many said just learn to warm up properly and work around it with good form.

There is a difference between it pushing on a nerve root or not. Moving mostly doesnt hurt, that includes anything weight training related. However when I lay flat in bed for a while after a rib cartilage surgery in september, that pinched nerve root hurt like hell. I had a lot more pain from the pinched nerve than I had from my chest that had just been cut open lol

[Painlayer69]

I went to the chiro yesterday and went over my x-rays and i dont actually have a slipped disk ( Cant remember what he called it ) But what it basically is, Is an extreme subluxation of my lower back causeing major compression on the very last disk at the bottom, He says it is reversible tho.

[Montague]

Subluxation is a very popular term in chiropractic circles these days.
Allegedly, everyone suffers from suluxation to some degree.

How serious is your pain?
Have you gotten a second opinion?

If it is, in fact, something as simple as a minor “outage” then chiropractic treatment should suffice.
It may take several visits to take effect and experience relief, but it is probably doable.

Just know what you’re getting into. My fiancée had a horrible experience with a chiro that caused more (serious) damage than she had prior to seeing him (fyi – he failed to properly diagnose her before treating).
OTOH, I see a chiro who married into our family, am good friends with, and has taken good care of me and even done some things I didn’t know were possible with my ribs.

Bottom line:
A bad chiropractor can seriously fvck you up.
A good one you’ll want as a friend for life.

[Redwingenator]

Thanks for the info! The irreversibility of the prosthetic disc is indeed what lead the neurosurgeon to say no.

That begs the question: is there something inherently bad about these prosthetic discs? Do they not function properly or? Because if they were that good, irreversibility would not seem that much of an issue to me

There are serious risks with the prosthetic discs. The left common iliac vein seems to be most at risk of injury do to slippage of the artificial disc or with removal of the disc because of instability.  Compression of this vein has the potential of thrombosis formation.  There is also a great chance of permanent nerve damage resulting in loss of sensation of the bladder down to your toes.  The inherent danger of prosthetic discs is the close proximity of the implant to the spinal cord, nerve roots and surrounding veins and arteries.  It is a surgery that should only be performed after 4-6 weeks of conservative care have failed to reduce symptoms by at least 50%.  It is a surgery that has tremendous possibilities, but a logical approach for its utilization needs to be followed.

[Redwingenator]

I went to the chiro yesterday and went over my x-rays and i dont actually have a slipped disk ( Cant remember what he called it ) But what it basically is, Is an extreme subluxation of my lower back causeing major compression on the very last disk at the bottom, He says it is reversible tho.

Find a chiro that uses Cox spinal decompression.

[Painlayer69]

Subluxation is a very popular term in chiropractic circles these days.
Allegedly, everyone suffers from suluxation to some degree.

How serious is your pain?
Have you gotten a second opinion?

If it is, in fact, something as simple as a minor “outage” then chiropractic treatment should suffice.
It may take several visits to take effect and experience relief, but it is probably doable.

Just know what you’re getting into. My fiancée had a horrible experience with a chiro that caused more (serious) damage than she had prior to seeing him (fyi – he failed to properly diagnose her before treating).
OTOH, I see a chiro who married into our family, am good friends with, and has taken good care of me and even done some things I didn’t know were possible with my ribs.

Bottom line:
A bad chiropractor can seriously fvck you up.
A good one you’ll want as a friend for life.

Yeah man i hear ya, My pain is VERY serious sometimes my legs are in so much pain from it and all i can do to relieve it is sit in some mildly hot water for about an hour, My family doc was the one that diagnosed it as a slipped/herniated disk, BUT this chiro is actually ranked in the top 1% in the world and is a specialist in the kind of subluxation that i am suffering from i am told.

Wish i had a copy of my x-rays on my computer i would upload them for ya man its seriously fucked up.

[burn2live]

Yeah man i hear ya, My pain is VERY serious sometimes my legs are in so much pain from it and all i can do to relieve it is sit in some mildly hot water for about an hour, My family doc was the one that diagnosed it as a slipped/herniated disk, BUT this chiro is actually ranked in the top 1% in the world and is a specialist in the kind of subluxation that i am suffering from i am told.

Wish i had a copy of my x-rays on my computer i would upload them for ya man its seriously fucked up.

If you have seriously herniated a disc and it's impinging and you want to continue to lead an active lifestyle, train etc most likely surgery will be a route you'll have to at least consider. Hope things get better for you man. If you get the x-rays throw them up here

[Painlayer69]

Yeah def. man i will throw them up when i get them, And as far as the surgery goes ive actually got an app. with a neuro surgeon the 16th of next month and would have already gotten in if i wasnt on 1st shift, But thanx man and i WILL update this as soon as i hear something progress related.

[Moen]

There are serious risks with the prosthetic discs. The left common iliac vein seems to be most at risk of injury do to slippage of the artificial disc or with removal of the disc because of instability.  Compression of this vein has the potential of thrombosis formation.  There is also a great chance of permanent nerve damage resulting in loss of sensation of the bladder down to your toes.  The inherent danger of prosthetic discs is the close proximity of the implant to the spinal cord, nerve roots and surrounding veins and arteries.  It is a surgery that should only be performed after 4-6 weeks of conservative care have failed to reduce symptoms by at least 50%.  It is a surgery that has tremendous possibilities, but a logical approach for its utilization needs to be followed.

Interesting. The orthopaedic surgeon seemed very confident in both his prosthetic discs and his ability to put them in there without causing me harm. He basically looked at the results of my mri and said 'you need a prosthetic disc, call in for a surgery appointment, you'll be out of the hospital in a couple of days, bye' 

[rockyfortune]

Hey guys i was recently diagnosed with a slipped/Herniated disk ( Same Thing ) in my lower back do any of you have this problem?? And if so how do you deal with training with it???


Thanx guys

i had two last year...first off..go to rehab and do what they tell you to do...second--stay away from squatting---some back exercises that put stress on your lower back...also..if you are overweight..lose some weight..gain some flexibility and don't slack on the rehab...

[Redwingenator]

Yeah man i hear ya, My pain is VERY serious sometimes my legs are in so much pain from it and all i can do to relieve it is sit in some mildly hot water for about an hour, My family doc was the one that diagnosed it as a slipped/herniated disk, BUT this chiro is actually ranked in the top 1% in the world and is a specialist in the kind of subluxation that i am suffering from i am told.

Wish i had a copy of my x-rays on my computer i would upload them for ya man its seriously fucked up.

1st- You can't see a disc on x-ray.  You can see relationships of vertebra above and below each other and determine relative disc height.  You can also assess general alignment, relative bone density, and rule out fractures and gross osseous destruction. 

2nd- I'm unaware of any world rankings for specialists in treating certain types of subluxations.

3rd- I have seen patients with some awful x-rays.  Severe degeneration, osteophytes all over the place, degenerative spondys, that have mild low back pain.  I have also seen x-rays that look perfect and the patient was carried into my office.  X-rays (all imaging really) are meant to rule out serious problems and used to correlate with exam findings to make a good diagnosis.

4th- Find a doctor that is certified in Cox Spinal Decompression.  coxtechnique.com  It is a chiropractic technique that uses spinal decompression to reduce the amount a disc is protruding on a nerve. 

[MassRuhlz]

I have 3 herniated disk, shown on MRI. I have not squated in a year, mostly leg presses and extensions/leg  curls. No more barbell bent rows, only db. Standing barbell curls are done only after extensive warm ups. My pain is to great to risk further injury, so am very very careful to train around. Im 41, so sure back will only get worse.

[Painlayer69]

1st- You can't see a disc on x-ray.  You can see relationships of vertebra above and below each other and determine relative disc height.  You can also assess general alignment, relative bone density, and rule out fractures and gross osseous destruction. 

2nd- I'm unaware of any world rankings for specialists in treating certain types of subluxations.

3rd- I have seen patients with some awful x-rays.  Severe degeneration, osteophytes all over the place, degenerative spondys, that have mild low back pain.  I have also seen x-rays that look perfect and the patient was carried into my office.  X-rays (all imaging really) are meant to rule out serious problems and used to correlate with exam findings to make a good diagnosis.

4th- Find a doctor that is certified in Cox Spinal Decompression.  coxtechnique.com  It is a chiropractic technique that uses spinal decompression to reduce the amount a disc is protruding on a nerve. 

Didnt say that i could see the disk on x-ray i could only see where the disk was starting to pertrude, Gonna try and get a copy of that tomorrow at the chiro and i'll post it.