very first cycle

[tstmaniac]

Because you can lose most of your fat naturally and get to a better starting point.  Why waste drugs or subject your body to stress when you don't need to?  You should lose bodyfat very quickly for the first couple of months considering where you are starting from.  Save the AAS for when you can eat like a horse and grow without worrying about gaining fat.

To begin, don't worry about losing muscle and just focus on dropping the weight.  With a good diet and excercise, you should easily lose 2 lbs a week x 8 weeks = 16 lbs over the first two months, at a minimum.  Then, if you must take something to help quicken your fat loss you could take low level T3 combined with Clenbuterol or Albuterol for the next couple of months.  Adding in GH on top of that would be even better.

Get down to 10% or less bf and then start a good Test only cycle.  You will grow better this way.

you beat me to it...he would also have a higher chance of getting gyno with all that excessive bf...put some hard work in first bro

[shrek]

you beat me to it...he would also have a higher chance of getting gyno with all that excessive bf...put some hard work in first bro

well i can say if you are hard up on useing some enhancers with your body type i think ECA T3 and 30mgs anavar would help you out quite a bit but you need to super size your cardio and downsize your calories

[koszhuk]

To begin, don't worry about losing muscle and just focus on dropping the weight.  With a good diet and excercise, you should easily lose 2 lbs a week x 8 weeks = 16 lbs over the first two months, at a minimum.  Then, if you must take something to help quicken your fat loss you could take low level T3 combined with Clenbuterol or Albuterol for the next couple of months.  Adding in GH on top of that would be even better.
Get down to 10% or less bf and then start a good Test only cycle.  You will grow better this way.

Are you suggesting first cutting and then bulking? Cause I was gonna do opposite, keeping my metabolism up while having enough muscle mass....
I loose fat very fast but after about 7-8 weeks come to a stall. From my experience if I`ll do it longer than 8 weeks I start loosing my hard earned  muscles.
What if after 12 weeks test I`ll go right away on T3?

[abc123]

Are you suggesting first cutting and then bulking? Cause I was gonna do opposite, keeping my metabolism up while having enough muscle mass....
I loose fat very fast but after about 7-8 weeks come to a stall. From my experience if I`ll do it longer than 8 weeks I start loosing my hard earned  muscles.
What if after 12 weeks test I`ll go right away on T3?

No, you will grow better if you diet down first.  Lose as much as you can naturally and when you hit the wall, if you don't know how to carb cycle to keep it going, add in some T3, Clen, etc.

[tstmaniac]

Besides your bodyfat is too high to cycle...you need to discipline your diet and training naturally before you even think about juicing

[koszhuk]

From my experience after 8 weeks dieting my metabolism stalls and I start loosing muscles. I hate to think about loosing my hard earned muscles again. I`m 37 / 5`11 / 209lbs / 18% bf. What if I diet for 8 weeks cutting 1% bf/week down to 10% bf and then go on cycle just test 400mg/week for 12 weeks and after that cutting cycle again? Somebody said I could easily add 30 lbs on my first cycle: is this of lean muscles or including fat?

[Luolamies]

Well if you get down to 10 % you will atleast look and feel better...

As far as that 30 lbs goes, it's just a number and it most certainly DOES INCLUDE fat and plenty of water. Even with all that, 30 lbs might be wishfull thinking...

[koszhuk]

So is this ok not to be a sceleton with 6% bf to start going on a cycle?
.... I mean that`s what I`m gonna be if I go for more than 8 weeks on cutting cycle.

[koszhuk]

Is it a good idea to go on a cycle immediately right after cutting cycle or should I wait till I gain strength?

[tstmaniac]

your looking into it too much...just get ur bf down so your not a fat ass while your on your cycle...

1. you wont look good
2. youll have a higher chance of estrogen related side effects.



Don't worry about your strength unles you are powerlifting...as soon as the sauce kicks in your strength will be thru the roof

[Luv2Hurt]

your looking into it too much...just get ur bf down so your not a fat ass while your on your cycle...

1. you wont look good
2. youll have a higher chance of estrogen related side effects.



Don't worry about your strength unles you are powerlifting...as soon as the sauce kicks in your strength will be thru the roof

Agree being too fat defeats the purpose of being on, you will not be able to even tell other than maybe a bit stronger.

[tstmaniac]

Agree being too fat defeats the purpose of being on, you will not be able to even tell other than maybe a bit stronger.

EXACTLY

[koszhuk]

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37y.o./5`11/212lbs. In 2 weeks I`ll start cutting cycle losing 1% (2lbs) a week for 9 weeks. On Nov. 15 (right before Thanksgiving:)) want to start my first cycle test cyp. 400mg/week. In your opinion if I lose 8% bf from what I`m now will I be a good candidate to start cycle? Any advise, critique or suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

[tbombz]

From my experience after 8 weeks dieting my metabolism stalls and I start loosing muscles. I hate to think about loosing my hard earned muscles again. I`m 37 / 5`11 / 209lbs / 18% bf. What if I diet for 8 weeks cutting 1% bf/week down to 10% bf and then go on cycle just test 400mg/week for 12 weeks and after that cutting cycle again? Somebody said I could easily add 30 lbs on my first cycle: is this of lean muscles or including fat?

these guys are mainly tlaking baout doing a bulking cycle... in that case its best you start lean.. you get a god rebound effect andyou dont end up fat, just not as lean....


but what you want to do is just fine... you can jump on cycle at your bodyfat percentgae, just dont worry about putting on size (with your diet) untill you get leaner..once you look nice and tight, then increase your fod and cut back onthe cardio and let your muscles blow up

[shrek]

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37y.o./5`11/212lbs. In 2 weeks I`ll start cutting cycle losing 1% (2lbs) a week for 9 weeks. On Nov. 15 (right before Thanksgiving:)) want to start my first cycle test cyp. 400mg/week. In your opinion if I lose 8% bf from what I`m now will I be a good candidate to start cycle? Any advise, critique or suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

i dont think your too fat for a cutting cycle..... get some sust, T3, ECA, and either winny or anavar ramp up your cardio and eat lots of fish and water and i think that will make a monster change on you..... remember dont EGO lift! keep reps high and super set to keep you burning cals

[koszhuk]

Which brings us to the same old question: what`s first - chicken or egg? I was gonna naturally dropp 8-10% bf in 9 weeks, then immediately start my first ever bulking cycle on test and right after cutting again (with sust etc). Are you saying I should start with cutting cycle (sust, T3, ECA, winny/anavar) first and then bulk on test? I know my body after 9 weeks dieting start progressively losing muscle mass. Sorry if I look to confused but your replies are greatly appreciated.

[Luv2Hurt]

From my experience after 8 weeks dieting my metabolism stalls and I start loosing muscles. I hate to think about loosing my hard earned muscles again. I`m 37 / 5`11 / 209lbs / 18% bf. What if I diet for 8 weeks cutting 1% bf/week down to 10% bf and then go on cycle just test 400mg/week for 12 weeks and after that cutting cycle again? Somebody said I could easily add 30 lbs on my first cycle: is this of lean muscles or including fat?

Here it is IMO Lots of people have a hard time dieting cause they think they think they are getting smaller, "loosing muscle".  When in fact they are just loosing the fat they thought was muscle.  18% if acurate at that hieght and weight means you have about 38 lbs fat right now.  So to get to about 5% bf you need to loose 28.5 lbs of fat, 10% 14.25 lbs.  In loosing fat you will also loose some muscle and water so in reality that number is more like 35-40lbs easy to loose at 5% or about 20-22lbs at 10%, that puts you at 174lbs in contest shape at 5'11" (most middle weights are about 5' 5") or about 188lbs at 10%.  Just gives you an idea of where you are at lean muscle wise according to the stats you listed.