Is Brock all brawn, or does he have actual technique?

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Are you telling me that nobody is watching these events?
Quite the contrary my friend

If the UFC were legally obligated to release the actual numbers PPV numbers like boxing is it wouldn't be all that impressive.  UFC 108 best case scenario did 200,000 buys, but then again we don't know because it's all smoke and mirrors with that hype machine.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Who said I didn't watch other orgs?
Didn't know you wrote the rules to the "MMA Fan Handbook"

You have nothing but bad things to say about anything that isn't UFC, so either you don't practice what you preach, or you're just one of those tapout clad, beanpole, UFC nuthuggers.

[WeightPSHR]

If the UFC were legally obligated to release the actual numbers PPV numbers like boxing is it wouldn't be all that impressive.  UFC 108 best case scenario did 200,000 buys, but then again we don't know because it's all smoke and mirrors with that hype machine.

We don't know what the actual numbers are, but a somewhat intelligent person can realize that people are watching. People are buying their product.
The proof is in the frequency and growth around the world. How could they be putting on shows around the world and not have people watching?

[WeightPSHR]

You have nothing but bad things to say about anything that isn't UFC, so either you don't practice what you preach, or you're just one of those tapout clad, beanpole, UFC nuthuggers.

I just have to defend my stance on the UFC on this board. That is why you see talking about them primarily.
Where have I bashed another org on here? The only bashing I have done is in regards to Fedor and his management hand selecting cans.

Because I have stated that the UFC is on an entirely different level then all other orgs, is only speaking the truth.
I have also stated numerous times that competition is good, as long as the org is putting on honest fights.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Where have I bashed another org on here?

The real question is, Where have you even acknowledged the existence of any other org. or fighters from them (other than you saying Fedor sucks or you wish Strikeforce the best) . Ok let me play you for a minute,........ Fedor sucks, I wish Strikeforce the best... but not really, everyfighter currently in the UFC is a living god that cannot be defeated, the UFC owns everyone on this planets mind, and they control all the world's riches, but I like all MMA.  This is how you're coming off.

[MindSpin]

I don't acknowledge any org besides the UFC, and I hope that all other orgs are relegated to being "minor leagues" for the UFC.  Why?  Because that way, we have undisputed champions & uniform rules.  It's that simple.

[WeightPSHR]

The real question is, Where have you even acknowledged the existence of any other org. or fighters from them (other than you saying Fedor sucks or you wish Strikeforce the best) . Ok let me play you for a minute,........ Fedor sucks, I wish Strikeforce the best... but not really, everyfighter currently in the UFC is a living god that cannot be defeated, the UFC owns everyone on this planets mind, and they control all the world's riches, but I like all MMA.  This is how you're coming off.

Don't exaggerate what I have said. The UFC is the biggest and most successful org in MMA. The proof is in the growth of their org as well as the size of their fight roster.

The UFC is the MAIN EVENT in the MMA world. All other orgs are sideshows TO ME for various reasons, such as lack of talent, lack of hype/marketing, or lack of availability. This does not mean I am bashing any other org. Hopefully this is clear enough for you. There are a few fighters out there that I have mentioned in previous posts that I would like to see in the UFC, as they would mix up things quite well.

If you are concerned about proof, look through my posts.

Otherwise, quote me next time you try to make me look like an ass. You will fair much better.

[FREAKgeek]

I take it you're not familiar with the rampant weight cutting that goes on in MMA, there are several fighters that are known to cut over 30lbs to make their weight divs.  Anthony Johnson cuts 30lbs, Sean Sherk cuts 30lbs, Gleison Tibau cuts 30lbs,Rampage and Forrest both cut 25+ lbs, that's just naming a few.  Brock cuts weight to make 265, he has been known to walk in fight night at 280-290.  Look into weight cutting, wrestlers and boxers do that shit all the time, it's pretty common, even the drastic cases.

Yeah I"m aware of the claims. I find it hard to believe that they aren't inflated, I mean to be able to swing so much  lbs of water in one night and to even remotely feel like fighting is quite remarkable.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Yeah I"m aware of the claims. I find it hard to believe that they aren't inflated, I mean to be able to swing so much  lbs of water in one night and to even remotely feel like fighting is quite remarkable.

In the extreme cases, they are given intravenous fluids and supplements to help with the rapid rehydration, I know Johnson does that.  I think Sincity posted an article about it a few months back. I think that's damn near cheating if you ask me.  Guys will lose a couple times nowadays and just say "I'm not fighting at my natural weight, then they will just cut another 15lbs fight until they lose a few more times again".

[gmflex]

We don't know what the actual numbers are, but a somewhat intelligent person can realize that people are watching. People are buying their product.
The proof is in the frequency and growth around the world. How could they be putting on shows around the world and not have people watching?

 
Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer is reporting that buyrates for the latest UFC PPV in Sydney, Australia are trending very low.

Updated trending data and other PPV info we’ve been able to get for UFC 110 isn’t looking good. It looks to have finished well behind UFC 108 and UFC 109. I don’t have a number of buys, but based on trending data which has historically been pretty accurate, it could be in the 215,000 to 240,000 range, basically along the lines of the tape-delayed foreign shows. This was foreign, but wasn’t tape delayed. One cable industry source gave an estimate of 215,000.

Payout Perspective:

We’ve talked a lot about the role that momentum plays in motivating purchasing behavior, and three lacklustre PPVs in a row have clearly hurt the UFC’s base. Should anyone be worried? Yes and no.

This is really the last lingering effect from the cursed back-half of 2009 when just about every major UFC star had some sort of injury; and, with a line-up in the next three months that’s going to feature four title fights, the UFC should be able to gather some momentum heading into the summer.

However, who’s to say what sort of impact this latest trend of poor PPV showings will have on UFC 111. The UFC isn’t necessarily out of the woods yet, especially considering the potential impact a strong or poor showing at UFC 111 could have for the rest of the summer. That’s why creating a Primetime show and spending a more than usual on advertising for this event is so important.

Note: Meltzer doesn’t have hard numbers, yet. These are just trending estimates that usually increase by10-15% over time. We’ve been loathe to post them in the past just because they do change. Readers are starving for this information and this is the best we’ve got right now, but we will update if/when official numbers come along.

[WeightPSHR]

 
Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer is reporting that buyrates for the latest UFC PPV in Sydney, Australia are trending very low.

Updated trending data and other PPV info we’ve been able to get for UFC 110 isn’t looking good. It looks to have finished well behind UFC 108 and UFC 109. I don’t have a number of buys, but based on trending data which has historically been pretty accurate, it could be in the 215,000 to 240,000 range, basically along the lines of the tape-delayed foreign shows. This was foreign, but wasn’t tape delayed. One cable industry source gave an estimate of 215,000.

Payout Perspective:

We’ve talked a lot about the role that momentum plays in motivating purchasing behavior, and three lacklustre PPVs in a row have clearly hurt the UFC’s base. Should anyone be worried? Yes and no.

This is really the last lingering effect from the cursed back-half of 2009 when just about every major UFC star had some sort of injury; and, with a line-up in the next three months that’s going to feature four title fights, the UFC should be able to gather some momentum heading into the summer.

However, who’s to say what sort of impact this latest trend of poor PPV showings will have on UFC 111. The UFC isn’t necessarily out of the woods yet, especially considering the potential impact a strong or poor showing at UFC 111 could have for the rest of the summer. That’s why creating a Primetime show and spending a more than usual on advertising for this event is so important.

Note: Meltzer doesn’t have hard numbers, yet. These are just trending estimates that usually increase by10-15% over time. We’ve been loathe to post them in the past just because they do change. Readers are starving for this information and this is the best we’ve got right now, but we will update if/when official numbers come along.

DAMN!!!! Things are not looking good for the UFC

UFC Primetime: St-Pierre vs. Hardy Does 1 Million Viewers  http://mmapayout.com/2010/03/ufc-primetime-st-pierre-vs-hardy-does-1-million-viewers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Payout+%28Payout%29

March 11, 2010

MMAPayout.com has learned that last night’s debut episode of UFC Primetime: St-Pierre vs. Hardy was the most watched episode in the history of the series drawing an average audience of 1 million people. Not surprisingly, the program scored well in the male 18-34 and 18-49 demos with a 1.1 and 1.0, respectively.

Payout Perspective:

If these levels of interest convert on the same scale as they did for UFC 94, we’re easily looking at the highest grossing PPV offering since UFC 101 – somewhere in the range of 700,000 – 850,000.

Granted, the context isn’t exactly the same this time around – the UFC has less momentum, now, than it did in January 2009 – but this card will also benefit from a second title fight and an additional UFC Countdown (independent of this Primetime series). Moreover, I think we’d all agree that GSP’s popularity has grown since then.

…..

While the most recent numbers have been poor, it’s important to emphasize that these ratings and buyrates are only short term indicators of success. They are inherently volatile and sometimes tend to reflect external factors that will have little bearing on the long-term success of the business.

The UFC has signed numerous international television deals in the last few months and will take its show to several new markets this year. Expansion often comes at the price of short-term revenue/sales; that’s just the nature of the trade-off.

However, like we’ve been preaching, the coming months are absolutely something to write home about as an MMA fan. So, get excited and tell all of your friends.

[gmflex]

 

spike could have 10 million watching...

doesn't mean anything...

ppv buys is what we are talking about...

last 3 ppv's have declines in revenue  

[WeightPSHR]

spike could have 10 million watching...

doesn't mean anything...

ppv buys is what we are talking about...

last 3 ppv's have declines in revenue  

Are you implying that the UFC is in financial distress?
Not really sure what you are getting at here or trying to imply?

Not every PPV is going to be record breaking.

Do you hope that someday the UFC fails?

[gmflex]

nope...

Nothing against the UFC...

looking forward to seeing GSP fight...

my point is that will never completly dominate MMA as you have pointed out in your past comments...

by the way they don't have the best heavyweights  

and the last 3 ppv have being lack luster...
as you can see from the decline in ppv buys...
I'm not the only who is getting bored with their past match-ups...

[WeightPSHR]

nope...

Nothing against the UFC...

looking forward to seeing GSP fight...

my point is that will never completly dominate MMA as you have pointed out in your past comments...

by the way they don't have the best heavyweights  

and the last 3 ppv have being lack luster...
as you can see from the decline in ppv buys...


I'm not the only who is getting bored with their past match-ups...

Everything you just said is VERY subjective...to each his own in that aspect.

But the UFC does dominate the MMA world. If there was anyone even close to the profitability, popularity, growth, and frequency then please let me know.

MMA would not be as popular today as it is if it were not for the UFC. Love the changes or hate them, you got to respect them for that.
Clearly makes them the leader...almost the pioneer of MMA as it is today. In fact MMA was not even a term recognized before the current UFC. It was always 'cage fighting' before.

Not saying that their dominance is all a good thing for MMA, but to say they don't dominate the MMA world in foolish.

[MindSpin]

UFC is the best.  Fedor is a pussy.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

UFC is the best.  Fedor is a pussy.

Strong words for an old timer.

[gmflex]

UFC is the best.  Fedor is a pussy.

 
bahhhh

[MindSpin]

lol.  At what age does one officially become an old timer? I used to think that it was 40, but now that I'm 37 I'm thinking 50

[gmflex]

lol...

dude ,,,
I'm 36....

x2
i agree 50 would be the right age...

[*ChuteBoxe*]

lol.  At what age does one officially become an old timer? I used to think that it was 40, but now that I'm 37 I'm thinking 50

As far as training MMA (not as a fighter)and arguing on the internet, that's getting into the red zone.

[MindSpin]

As far as training MMA (not as a fighter)and arguing on the internet, that's getting into the red zone.

You may have a point about bickering online.  But training MMA has a myriad of benefits that should not be limited to those under 30.  I'm sure I'll be doing it for as long as I can.