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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2009, 04:02:03 AM »
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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2009, 04:02:45 AM »
uh, Factcheck.org and Snopes do not have an agenda or a party line.  Do you think they are part of the cover-up and conspiracy also?
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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2009, 04:03:38 AM »
Debunking 6 viral myths about H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act 0f 2009.[/size]


Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.
Fact: this isn't the part that worries me, they wouldn't have the logistics to do this even if they wanted to.  Fact, it WILL regulate, penalize and probably shut down MANY SMALL farmers
MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.
FACT: Farmers markets would be greatly effected unless they're giving the food away and the last I checked they are not.  Since most of the people who show up to farmers markets are the same small farmers that will be adversly effected by the bill in the first place, it's a freaking no shit shirlock ::)
MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
FACT! While there is no language that says they'll directly outlaw organic farming, there is language that opens the door to changing the parameters of what is and isn't allowed which will effectively destroy it.  Oh I'm sure they'll still have products labeled organic, it just won't really be organichttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=271255.msg3816356#msg3816356

MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.
FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:
FACT, I haven't seen anybody say that big ag openly supports this, of course they do not openly support this, no shit huh... That doesn't mean they didn't help write this thing and they probably did.  This kind of relationship happens all the time and we DON'T usually know about it.  Fact!  As I said before, this would be the first time in history that the biggest players in an industry were silent on a bill that will create another agency to regulate them and fine the hell out of them... I mean wow, an industry silent on this?  There you have the support right there TA.  Find me the big ag companies against this?  In fact most of them have given pretty heavy to the bill's sponsor and most of the cosponsors I've checked.  hmmmm...  Clearly there is a payoff... That's simple.  Big Agri business benefited huge when similar regulation was put on EU farmers.  The little guys dropped like crazy unable to keep up with requirements and standards that are a small investment to a large company but a major pain in the ass to a SMALL FARMER!...

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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2009, 04:03:55 AM »
Debunking 6 viral myths about H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act 0f 2009.[/size]


Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.
Fact: this isn't the part that worries me, they wouldn't have the logistics to do this even if they wanted to.  Fact, it WILL regulate, penalize and probably shut down MANY SMALL farmers
MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.
FACT: Farmers markets would be greatly effected unless they're giving the food away and the last I checked they are not.  Since most of the people who show up to farmers markets are the same small farmers that will be adversly effected by the bill in the first place, it's a freaking no shit shirlock ::)
MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
FACT! While there is no language that says they'll directly outlaw organic farming, there is language that opens the door to changing the parameters of what is and isn't allowed which will effectively destroy it.  Oh I'm sure they'll still have products labeled organic, it just won't really be organichttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=271255.msg3816356#msg3816356

MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.
FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:
FACT, I haven't seen anybody say that big ag openly supports this, of course they do not openly support this, no shit huh... That doesn't mean they didn't help write this thing and they probably did.  This kind of relationship happens all the time and we DON'T usually know about it.  Fact!  As I said before, this would be the first time in history that the biggest players in an industry were silent on a bill that will create another agency to regulate them and fine the hell out of them... I mean wow, an industry silent on this?  There you have the support right there TA.  Find me the big ag companies against this?  In fact most of them have given pretty heavy to the bill's sponsor and most of the cosponsors I've checked.  hmmmm...  Clearly there is a payoff... That's simple.  Big Agri business benefited huge when similar regulation was put on EU farmers.  The little guys dropped like crazy unable to keep up with requirements and standards that are a small investment to a large company but a major pain in the ass to a SMALL FARMER!...

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Consumer Federation of America
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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2009, 04:04:09 AM »
Debunking 6 viral myths about H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act 0f 2009.[/size]


Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.
Fact: this isn't the part that worries me, they wouldn't have the logistics to do this even if they wanted to.  Fact, it WILL regulate, penalize and probably shut down MANY SMALL farmers
MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.
FACT: Farmers markets would be greatly effected unless they're giving the food away and the last I checked they are not.  Since most of the people who show up to farmers markets are the same small farmers that will be adversly effected by the bill in the first place, it's a freaking no shit shirlock ::)
MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
FACT! While there is no language that says they'll directly outlaw organic farming, there is language that opens the door to changing the parameters of what is and isn't allowed which will effectively destroy it.  Oh I'm sure they'll still have products labeled organic, it just won't really be organichttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=271255.msg3816356#msg3816356

MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.
FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:
FACT, I haven't seen anybody say that big ag openly supports this, of course they do not openly support this, no shit huh... That doesn't mean they didn't help write this thing and they probably did.  This kind of relationship happens all the time and we DON'T usually know about it.  Fact!  As I said before, this would be the first time in history that the biggest players in an industry were silent on a bill that will create another agency to regulate them and fine the hell out of them... I mean wow, an industry silent on this?  There you have the support right there TA.  Find me the big ag companies against this?  In fact most of them have given pretty heavy to the bill's sponsor and most of the cosponsors I've checked.  hmmmm...  Clearly there is a payoff... That's simple.  Big Agri business benefited huge when similar regulation was put on EU farmers.  The little guys dropped like crazy unable to keep up with requirements and standards that are a small investment to a large company but a major pain in the ass to a SMALL FARMER!...

Center for Foodborne Illness Research & Prevention
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Consumer Federation of America
Consumers Union
Food & Water Watch
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Safe Tables Our Priority
Trust for America’s Health

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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2009, 04:04:18 AM »
Are you going to use a fucking original thought and reply to my reply or just keep posting other people's thoughts?  I'm all for providing material from sources, but that's really all you do.  That's all I ever see you do... lame lame lame...
Why would you rather have me make evidence up?  That makes no sense.  What I am doing is taking the Facts and Evidence and positioning them against your fictitious and unsubstantiated rants.


So let me get this straight, you want me to manufacture evidence and then make an argument based off of thin air?  I am basing my argument off of facts and evidence.  I don`t understand what you want me to do?

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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2009, 04:04:21 AM »
Debunking 6 viral myths about H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act 0f 2009.[/size]


Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.
Fact: this isn't the part that worries me, they wouldn't have the logistics to do this even if they wanted to.  Fact, it WILL regulate, penalize and probably shut down MANY SMALL farmers
MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.
FACT: Farmers markets would be greatly effected unless they're giving the food away and the last I checked they are not.  Since most of the people who show up to farmers markets are the same small farmers that will be adversly effected by the bill in the first place, it's a freaking no shit shirlock ::)
MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
FACT! While there is no language that says they'll directly outlaw organic farming, there is language that opens the door to changing the parameters of what is and isn't allowed which will effectively destroy it.  Oh I'm sure they'll still have products labeled organic, it just won't really be organichttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=271255.msg3816356#msg3816356

MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.
FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:
FACT, I haven't seen anybody say that big ag openly supports this, of course they do not openly support this, no shit huh... That doesn't mean they didn't help write this thing and they probably did.  This kind of relationship happens all the time and we DON'T usually know about it.  Fact!  As I said before, this would be the first time in history that the biggest players in an industry were silent on a bill that will create another agency to regulate them and fine the hell out of them... I mean wow, an industry silent on this?  There you have the support right there TA.  Find me the big ag companies against this?  In fact most of them have given pretty heavy to the bill's sponsor and most of the cosponsors I've checked.  hmmmm...  Clearly there is a payoff... That's simple.  Big Agri business benefited huge when similar regulation was put on EU farmers.  The little guys dropped like crazy unable to keep up with requirements and standards that are a small investment to a large company but a major pain in the ass to a SMALL FARMER!...

Center for Foodborne Illness Research & Prevention
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Consumer Federation of America
Consumers Union
Food & Water Watch
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Safe Tables Our Priority
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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2009, 04:04:38 AM »
Debunking 6 viral myths about H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act 0f 2009.[/size]


Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.
Fact: this isn't the part that worries me, they wouldn't have the logistics to do this even if they wanted to.  Fact, it WILL regulate, penalize and probably shut down MANY SMALL farmers
MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.
FACT: Farmers markets would be greatly effected unless they're giving the food away and the last I checked they are not.  Since most of the people who show up to farmers markets are the same small farmers that will be adversly effected by the bill in the first place, it's a freaking no shit shirlock ::)
MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
FACT! While there is no language that says they'll directly outlaw organic farming, there is language that opens the door to changing the parameters of what is and isn't allowed which will effectively destroy it.  Oh I'm sure they'll still have products labeled organic, it just won't really be organichttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=271255.msg3816356#msg3816356

MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.
FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:
FACT, I haven't seen anybody say that big ag openly supports this, of course they do not openly support this, no shit huh... That doesn't mean they didn't help write this thing and they probably did.  This kind of relationship happens all the time and we DON'T usually know about it.  Fact!  As I said before, this would be the first time in history that the biggest players in an industry were silent on a bill that will create another agency to regulate them and fine the hell out of them... I mean wow, an industry silent on this?  There you have the support right there TA.  Find me the big ag companies against this?  In fact most of them have given pretty heavy to the bill's sponsor and most of the cosponsors I've checked.  hmmmm...  Clearly there is a payoff... That's simple.  Big Agri business benefited huge when similar regulation was put on EU farmers.  The little guys dropped like crazy unable to keep up with requirements and standards that are a small investment to a large company but a major pain in the ass to a SMALL FARMER!...

Center for Foodborne Illness Research & Prevention
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Consumer Federation of America
Consumers Union
Food & Water Watch
The Pew Charitable Trusts
Safe Tables Our Priority
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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2009, 04:04:50 AM »
Debunking 6 viral myths about H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act 0f 2009.[/size]


Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.
Fact: this isn't the part that worries me, they wouldn't have the logistics to do this even if they wanted to.  Fact, it WILL regulate, penalize and probably shut down MANY SMALL farmers
MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.
FACT: Farmers markets would be greatly effected unless they're giving the food away and the last I checked they are not.  Since most of the people who show up to farmers markets are the same small farmers that will be adversly effected by the bill in the first place, it's a freaking no shit shirlock ::)
MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
FACT! While there is no language that says they'll directly outlaw organic farming, there is language that opens the door to changing the parameters of what is and isn't allowed which will effectively destroy it.  Oh I'm sure they'll still have products labeled organic, it just won't really be organichttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=271255.msg3816356#msg3816356

MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.
FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:
FACT, I haven't seen anybody say that big ag openly supports this, of course they do not openly support this, no shit huh... That doesn't mean they didn't help write this thing and they probably did.  This kind of relationship happens all the time and we DON'T usually know about it.  Fact!  As I said before, this would be the first time in history that the biggest players in an industry were silent on a bill that will create another agency to regulate them and fine the hell out of them... I mean wow, an industry silent on this?  There you have the support right there TA.  Find me the big ag companies against this?  In fact most of them have given pretty heavy to the bill's sponsor and most of the cosponsors I've checked.  hmmmm...  Clearly there is a payoff... That's simple.  Big Agri business benefited huge when similar regulation was put on EU farmers.  The little guys dropped like crazy unable to keep up with requirements and standards that are a small investment to a large company but a major pain in the ass to a SMALL FARMER!...

Center for Foodborne Illness Research & Prevention
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Consumer Federation of America
Consumers Union
Food & Water Watch
The Pew Charitable Trusts
Safe Tables Our Priority
Trust for America’s Health

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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2009, 04:06:23 AM »
You are losing your mind here.  Calm down.  Are you REALLY that much of a baby when you are confronted with facts?  You are acting like the fundamentalists when confronted with fossilized evidence.  :D

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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2009, 04:07:19 AM »
Why would you rather have me make evidence up?  That makes no sense.  What I am doing is taking the Facts and Evidence and positioning them against your fictitious and unsubstantiated rants.


So let me get this straight, you want me to manufacture evidence and then make an argument based off of thin air?  I am basing my argument off of facts and evidence.  I don`t understand what you want me to do?

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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2009, 04:15:08 AM »
I'll keep posting it, you seem absolutely dead set on not debating me.  Can you not actually see my reply posted boldy in red... I suspect you're actually just to much of a fucking pundit to have an original thought.

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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2009, 01:35:42 PM »
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_a_new_bill_in_congress_make.html

Talk about Internet hysteria. This bill, H.R. 875, introduced by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), has sparked chain e-mails, blog postings and other exclamation-point-filled rants (like the one above), claiming that the legislation targets organic farmers, benefits manufacturers of genetically engineered seeds, and threatens to uproot backyard vegetable gardens across the country. It doesn't.

DeLauro introduced H.R. 875, called the Food Safety Modernization Act, on Feb. 4, and it was promptly referred to House committees. There's no indication as to when it may be brought to the floor for consideration, despite what some blog posts maintain. The stated purpose of the bill is “to establish an agency within the Department of Health and Human Services to be known as the 'Food Safety Administration,' " which would oversee food safety and labeling in the U.S., creating a single government entity in charge of preventing food-borne illnesses. DeLauro's press release announcing the legislation, introduced after the peanut butter salmonella outbreak in the U.S., said that “FDA would be split into an agency responsible for food safety (the Food Safety Administration) and another responsible for regulation of drugs and devices. This move creates an agency solely focused on protecting the public through better regulation of the food supply.”

The bill has 41 cosponsors and has been endorsed by major food and consumer safety organizations, including the Center for Science in the Public Interest, Consumer Federation of America, Consumers Union, Food & Water Watch, and The Pew Charitable Trusts. Food & Water Watch is a nonprofit organization that advocates for clean water and safe food and is headed by a woman who used to work for Public Citizen, the consumer group founded by Ralph Nader. It has posted a fact sheet on H.R. 875 on its site, disputing rumors about "food police."

The legislation stipulates that the new FSA (Food Safety Administration) would set safety regulations for food establishments and "food production facilities" and would be able to inspect such facilities. Its regulations also would pertain to imported foods. The e-mail posted above and others say that the definition of "food production facility" is so broad that it could include backyard gardens. The bill says: "The term 'food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation." It seems quite a stretch to think that anyone's personal vegetable patch would be considered a "farm, ranch or orchard." First Lady Michelle Obama showed no signs of concern last week as she broke ground on a sizable 1,100-foot garden plot on the White House lawn. Organic, of course.

The e-mail above argues that DeLauro's bill "[e]ffectively criminalizes organic farming but doesn't actually use the word organic." We're not sure how exactly a bill would criminalize something it doesn't mention, but the e-mail is correct in that the word "organic" is nowhere to be found. Another Internet posting more alarmingly claims: "Bill will require organic farms to use specific fertilizers and poisonous insect sprays dictated by the newly formed agency to 'make sure there is no danger to the public food supply.' " But the quoted phrase isn't in this bill. Nor is there any mention of chemical versus organic fertilizers or "poisonous insect sprays," or, for that matter, pesticides in general.

The only mention of fertilizers we could find was this, requiring that the FSA create regulations to: "include, with respect to growing, harvesting, sorting, and storage operations, minimum standards related to fertilizer use, nutrients, hygiene, packaging, temperature controls, animal encroachment, and water." The idea that "fertilizer use" would not include organic fertilizers is pure speculation well beyond what the legislation calls for.

Also, organic farming is regulated by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, under its "National Organic Program," not the FDA.

And It Gets Even More Hysterical

E-mails and blog postings claim that the agricultural giant Monsanto will benefit greatly from the bill; some say the often-protested company was the main lobbyist, and still others say DeLauro's husband "works for Monsanto." He doesn't.

DeLauro's spouse, Stanley Greenberg, is chairman and CEO of Greenberg-Quinlan Research Inc., a public issues research and polling firm. The company does surveys. And public relations work. Monsanto was one of the firm's clients. Greenberg is a pollster, not a lobbyist or a Monsanto employee, and he just released a memoir on his life as a pollster to five world leaders, including Bill Clinton and Nelson Mandela.

Also, there is nothing in the bill about "GPS tracking" of animals, as the e-mail above states, and not a peep about "seed banking."

Small Farm Concern

Small farmers, however, may well have concerns about this bill. Food & Water Watch's fact sheet acknowledges that there's always a worry that government regulation of food production will adversely affect small farms, which can't absorb the possible costs of abiding by regulation as easily as big food producers can. "The dilemma of how to regulate food safety in a way that prevents problems caused by industrialized agriculture but doesn’t wipe out small diversified farms is not new and is not easily solved," the site says. It goes on to say that other bills, not H.R. 875, that have been introduced could create problems for small operations, such as one that requires electronic record-keeping and registration fees with the FDA.

Another group called the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, which supports "sustainable farming and direct farm-to-consumer transactions," raises several concerns about DeLauro's legislation and how it could affect small farms and in particular, producers of raw milk, which the FDA has declared to be unfit for consumption. But the group states that "much of what has circulated the internet is not accurate," and nowhere in its criticism of the legislation does it say organic farming would be outlawed or home gardeners would face regulations.

We suppose in the grand realm of all that's possible, or more likely a futuristic B movie, federal bureaucrats could decide that public safety calls for inspections of every backyard garden in the nation, leading everyday citizens to surreptitiously cultivate tomato plants in a closet with a sunlamp, lest they get busted by the cops. But we kinda doubt it.

– by Lori Robertson

Full disclosure: The author has an organic vegetable garden.
Sources
111th Congress, 1st session. H.R. 875.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn). “DeLauro Assails Full-Scale Breakdown of Food Safety System and Introduces New FDA Reform Legislation,” press release, 4 Feb. 2009.

Food & Water Watch. Background on H.R. 875, accessed 26 March 2009.

Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. HR 875 – The Federal Take-Over of Food Regulation, 13 March 2009.

Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. Flawed Food Safety Bills in Congress, accessed 26 March 2009.


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Re: Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
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Can we say, Self-Owning!


You were paranoid Conspiracy Theorist a year ago (as evidenced by this thread).  Oh well.

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Can we say, Self-Owning!


You were paranoid Conspiracy Theorist a year ago (as evidenced by this thread).  Oh well.

Once again TA is caught dodging the question.

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Once again TA is caught dodging the question.
exactly, as usual...  and then he has the balls to point the finger at others and say the ownage is on them.   ::)