Is "carb cycling" only calories cycling ?

[wes]

you'd be surprised.

have u ever gone weeks without eating carbs then suddenly added them back in?? if you have you'd notice that when u eat the carbs you get bloated and gassy and uncomfortable. the reason for this is because your body stops producing the enzymes to break down the sugars.

just go a few weeks without eating carbs then have a pizza and some sandwhiches then tell me how u feel

Yes I`ve done it,and I agree with your post only because of the carb choices you listed.

Instead try a bagel,cup of rice,and a potato...........no gassy issues or digestive overload problems.

Binging out on pizza will do it any and everytime even without dieting.

[Fatpanda]

Caloric deficit is obviously going to lead to weight loss, body composition is another thing. There are numerous factors such as inflammation, hormonal milieu etc to consider. Eating all fish during contest prep in a natural is surely a bad idea for muscle retention, however, eating egg yolks will lead to more muscle. Also, protein is the hardest of the macros to convert to fat via gluconeogenesis. It is required for repair, enzymes everything really, it is preferentially not burned.

the key concept is not in dispute, when dieting for fat loss for vanity it is different, when dieting for performance it is different, when dieting for health it is different.

The level your looking at is to basic.

actually fat loss IS very basic, its simply the law of thermodynamics at work.

regarding your comments:

body recomposition is irrelevant if protein intake is kept at 1g per lb during the calorie reduction ( or perhaps even raised slightly). Fat loss and lean mass retention differences are not statistically significant - regardless if the calories come from fat or carbs - metabolic ward studies prove this conclusively.

i also don't know why you felt the need to explain to me how protein is used by the body - have i given you some impression i did not know this stuff 

for proof : you are wrong yourself however as protein is not converted to fat, it is converted to glucose, which is then either burned off or converted to fat depending on your muscle/liver glycogen levels/ calorie use for the day.

and even though you are correct in your statement that it is the hardest macro metabolically for the body to convert to energy - your body will not know or feel the difference. ( unless we are talking about a zero carb/zero fat diet).

as studies are now showing that any protein over 20-30g every 4-5 hours are burned off as energy. Do you feel different when you eat over or under this amount ? weather it is with fat/carbs or both? i thought not.

[Fatpanda]

I told him that in so many words but he wants to try and prove some kind of point, not sure what that point might be!

my point is that at the end of the day you are using sub optimal/outdated diet methods.

you are reducing calories but your understanding of how this works and your psudo mystical theorys as to the magical effects of high fat/high protein/low carb are nonsense.

There is no need to suffer.

[flexingtonsteele]

I actually love the keto diet.
I have used Palumbo's one in early 2007 to flush most of my fat before switching to a carb-protein diet again 3 months out of the show.

I used it again last year but my biggest mistake, just like this year, is that I started the diet at 18% bf at least !!
I know, stupid, but I always get caught up in the "numbers" in the off-season.

So last year I started with the Keto diet, t3, clen, gh + LOT of cardio
All at once.
I got to 10% bf SUPER quick.
but then I was fucked and I couldn't get any lower so I had to quit the diet.

This year I read some stuff that Chris Aceto wrote about Troy Alves's diet, he said that in order to get in spectacular condition, one must get to 8-9%bf without doing much in term of drugs, cardio or extreme dieting.

So I want to do this nice and slow, and then I'll get fucking ripped 
well, I'll try.
I have never been fucking ripped, plus I always have a fat face just like Kuclo

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When i want to strip some bf quick, i use the keto diet as well, its great for getting the bloat and a few lbs of fat off real quick.

But what i think works is a bit of both worlds type approach.

I talked with toney freeman after the 2008 olympia when he looked fantastic. And I asked him if he really worked with palumbo and if he did his diet.

He said NO! He did use dave before, but dave had him doing the same diet as a 202 competitor so he dropped him like a bad habit. Anways, he said what he did was, he dieted for 10 or 12 weeks total ( i cant remember ) but he said the first quarter of the diet was keto, then after he dropped the initial water/bloat and fat, he added some carbs back in ( cycled them high/low..whatever ) then as the contest got closer like 4 weeks out he went back to a keto approach to get the last bit of fat off.

IMO this would be a great way to lose the fat, stay energized, and keep your fullness/harness throughout.

I know disgusted does something similar and it works.

[Coach is Back!]

Funny fatpanda, I asked you and tbombz the same question yet neither one have answered me. If you want to get down to it, it all works but you don't design the same eating program for an bodybuiilder, athlete or fat soccer mom.

[Stavios]

Exactly Coach

We, bodybuilders, are athletes that need much more carbs than the other because of the brutality and intensity of our workouts

[Fatpanda]

Funny fatpanda, I asked you and tbombz the same question yet neither one have answered me. If you want to get down to it, it all works but you don't design the same eating program for an bodybuiilder, athlete or fat soccer mom.

this thread is about fat loss

the principles remain the same - reduction is energy macros and/or increased energy output = fat loss.

[Krankenstein]

Funny fatpanda, I asked you and tbombz the same question yet neither one have answered me. If you want to get down to it, it all works but you don't design the same eating program for an bodybuiilder, athlete or fat soccer mom.

Exactly....and if its so simple and brainless, why does 'panda still lament his physical condition? 

[Fatpanda]

Exactly....and if its so simple and brainless, why does 'panda still lament his physical condition? 

any proof for your claims twink ? no thought not.

when you actually have more muscle than a half eaten chicken leg you can come back and we can talk.

until then........