Is "carb cycling" only calories cycling ?

[Coach is Back!]

Wow....just fuckin WOW!!

[Fatpanda]

Wow....just fuckin WOW!!

i know - who knew there were so many bright and educated people on getbig. 

coach, i really think its time for you to go back to school and catch up with the advances that have been made in the field of nutrition 

[BIG ACH]

I want to lose fat, while still eating 1 BIG MAC meal from McDonalds everyday, plus a sundae, and no cardio ever

What do you think!

 

[Coach is Back!]

i know - who knew there were so many bright and educated people on getbig.  

coach, i really think its time for you to go back to school and catch up with the advances that have been made in the field of nutrition  

Yes, because everyone I've worked with in the past and present including high level bodybuilders and elite pro athletes just hasn't worked out yet they still come back to me year after thus has made me a poor man and un-qualified on what I do. I'll ask you the same question I asked Tbombz who refuses to answer me. How many bodybuilders and/or athletes have you trained?

[garebear]

All carbs all the time. I'm a brickhouse -5'10" / 175 lbs.

[Stavios]

Keto diet seems to be working for Ben White.

yeah but you black guys have round muscles even if you are flat !

my muscle bellies suck ass, I need to be full or else I look like a spagetti

[Stavios]

Yes, because everyone I've worked with in the past and present including high level bodybuilders and elite pro athletes just hasn't worked out yet they still come back to me year after thus has made me a poor man and un-qualified on what I do. I'll ask you the same question I asked Tbombz who refuses to answer me. How many bodybuilders and/or athletes have you trained?

Haha hey Coach wednesday night I am doing a "boot camp" with a strongman at the gym, he makes some kind of routines with flipping tires and shit like that.
Football players and some of my friend who do MMA do this a lot.

I will get killed haha 
First time I will train like an athlete in years 

[Coach is Back!]

Haha hey Coach wednesday night I am doing a "boot camp" with a strongman at the gym, he makes some kind of routines with flipping tires and shit like that.
Football players and some of my friend who do MMA do this a lot.

I will get killed haha 
First time I will train like an athlete in years 

It's tough but fun, you'll have a blast.

[Stavios]

It's tough but fun, you'll have a blast.

the fuckers are saying I will quit but I am too pride for that.
 

[JP_RC]

to the original question - yes carb cycling is simply calorie cycling. This is assuming you do not up protein or fat amounts to compensate - but why bother ?

all fat loss boils down to reducing energy calories via reduced diet or more exercise.

To those of you that claim you need to take carbs down to zero or 20g etc to get shredded - lower your protein intake.

you are not finally losing fat because of some magic no/low carbs provides, you are losing fat because your calories are in deficit.

you are forgetting that any excess protein is broken down into energy by the body - So if your protein intake is too high you would indeed have to reduce carbs and/or fats to lower overall calorie intake.

you would be better lowering your protein intake and increasing carbs - this would give you more energy, more cellular hydration, and ultimately more control over your diet.

don't take my word for it - science backs this advice 100%

Great post!

Science backs this up and I've experienced the same.

[Fatpanda]

Yes, because everyone I've worked with in the past and present including high level bodybuilders and elite pro athletes just hasn't worked out yet they still come back to me year after thus has made me a poor man and un-qualified on what I do. I'll ask you the same question I asked Tbombz who refuses to answer me. How many bodybuilders and/or athletes have you trained?

who is the bigger fool ? the coach that thinks he's right or the athletes that think they are right to pay the coach that thinks he's right ?

years ago top NFL, NBA, NBL, OLYMPIC coaches used to tell their athletes not to drink water before/during a game and that weight lifting makes them slow and clumsy.

were they successful ? some yes, however even a broken clock is right twice a day 

were they correct ? no

hope this helps.

[Krankenstein]

i.e. as wavelength, adonis, myself and many more keep saying - reduce calories regardless if it is from carbs or fats and you will lose bodyfat.

Does this mean you are not overweight anymore?  Serious question...

[Coach is Back!]

Don't think for one second I do things by yesterdays standard, I'm faaaaaaaaar from yesterdays standards!

[Necrosis]

guys the only thing that determines fat loss is energy deficit:

Fat loss depends on energy deficit only, independently of the method for weight loss.
Strasser B, Spreitzer A, Haber P.

Department of Internal Medicine IV, Division of Sports Medicine, Medical University Vienna, Vienna, Austria. barbara.strasser@trainingstherapie.at
Abstract
BACKGROUND: This study was designed to compare the effects of 2 different but isocaloric fat reduction programs with the same amount of energy deficit - diet alone or diet combined with aerobic training - on body composition, lipid profile and cardiorespiratory fitness in non- or moderately obese women. METHODS: Twenty non- or moderately obese (BMI 24.32 +/- 3.11) females (27.3 +/- 6.6 years) were tested at the beginning and after an 8-week period of a mild hypocaloric diet for the following parameters: (1) body mass and body fat; (2) total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C and triglycerides; (3) lactate (millimol/liter) during submaximal exertion (100 W); (4) heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W), and (5) maximum exercise performance (watt). Subjects were randomly divided into either a diet alone (D, -2,095 +/- 659 kJ/day) or a diet (-1,420 +/- 1,084 kJ/day) plus exercise (DE, three 60-min sessions per week at 60% of VO(2)max or -5,866 kJ/week) group. RESULTS: Body mass and body fat decreased significantly in D (-1.95 +/- 1.13 kg or -1.47 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05) and DE (-2.23 +/- 1.28 kg or -1.59 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05), but there was no significant difference observed between the groups. Statistical analysis revealed no significant changes of total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C, triglycerides and heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W). Lactic acid accumulation during submaximal exertion (100 W) decreased significantly (-0.8 +/- 1.4 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in DE and increased significantly (+0.4 +/- 0.5 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in D. Maximum exercise performance improved significantly (+12.2 +/- 8.8 W, p < 0.05) in DE and did not change significantly in D. CONCLUSIONS: This study showed that independently of the method for weight loss, the negative energy balance alone is responsible for weight reduction. (c) 2007 S. Karger AG, Basel.


i.e. as wavelength, adonis, myself and many more keep saying - reduce calories regardless if it is from carbs or fats and you will lose bodyfat.

Caloric deficit is obviously going to lead to weight loss, body composition is another thing. There are numerous factors such as inflammation, hormonal milieu etc to consider. Eating all fish during contest prep in a natural is surely a bad idea for muscle retention, however, eating egg yolks will lead to more muscle. Also, protein is the hardest of the macros to convert to fat via gluconeogenesis. It is required for repair, enzymes everything really, it is preferentially not burned.

the key concept is not in dispute, when dieting for fat loss for vanity it is different, when dieting for performance it is different, when dieting for health it is different.

The level your looking at is to basic.

[Coach is Back!]

I told him that in so many words but he wants to try and prove some kind of point, not sure what that point might be!

[BIG ACH]

500cal burger
500cal fries
350cal sundae
light soda
= 1350 cals

Go for it bro 

This could actually work LOL :-)

[flexingtonsteele]

To answer your original question stavy, yes carb cycling is just simply a form of calorie cycling.

[Van_Bilderass]

I told him that in so many words but he wants to try and prove some kind of point, not sure what that point might be!

Just a theoretical question Coach. Is it possible to diet for a bodybuilding contest without getting hungry, tired, etc. I mean if I eat the "right" types of calories and "time the nutrients right" they will go into muscle and never to fat and wont inhibit fat loss, then maybe I can even eat above maintenance? I mean protein doesn't go into fat for example so surely I can have 2lbs of Connelly's original Met-Rx with 2lbs of salmon a day and still burn fat?

Nah, the fact of the matter is you're going to be in significant deficit and hungry all the time, and you will suffer to get in ripped condition. Calories do matter, no matter what composition they have!

None of this means protein doesn't matter, to just eat twizzlers or whatever. Just that calorie reduction is part of every diet. I believe this is the point by and large.

[flexingtonsteele]

Stavios,

I think the Keto diet can be awesome and get you shredded........BUT! u have to know when to add the carbs in at certain times to make sure you keep glycogen levels full and can get your body accustomed to digesting and assimilating carbohydrates, so u can actually fill out when u eat em.

[MattT]

Stavios,

I think the Keto diet can be awesome and get you shredded........BUT! u have to know when to add the carbs in at certain times to make sure you keep glycogen levels full and can get your body accustomed to digesting and assimilating carbohydrates, so u can actually fill out when u eat em.

Exactly have a huge cheat meal once a week while on keto at least 500grams carbs.

[wes]

Stavios,

I think the Keto diet can be awesome and get you shredded........BUT! u have to know when to add the carbs in at certain times to make sure you keep glycogen levels full and can get your body accustomed to digesting and assimilating carbohydrates, so u can actually fill out when u eat em.

I highly doubt that the body forgets how to digest and assimilate carbs no matter how long you omit them from your diet.

[flexingtonsteele]

I highly doubt that the body forgets how to digest and assimilate carbs no matter how long you omit them from your diet.

you'd be surprised.

have u ever gone weeks without eating carbs then suddenly added them back in?? if you have you'd notice that when u eat the carbs you get bloated and gassy and uncomfortable. the reason for this is because your body stops producing the enzymes to break down the sugars.

just go a few weeks without eating carbs then have a pizza and some sandwhiches then tell me how u feel

[Stavios]

Stavios,

I think the Keto diet can be awesome and get you shredded........BUT! u have to know when to add the carbs in at certain times to make sure you keep glycogen levels full and can get your body accustomed to digesting and assimilating carbohydrates, so u can actually fill out when u eat em.

I actually love the keto diet.
I have used Palumbo's one in early 2007 to flush most of my fat before switching to a carb-protein diet again 3 months out of the show.

I used it again last year but my biggest mistake, just like this year, is that I started the diet at 18% bf at least !!
I know, stupid, but I always get caught up in the "numbers" in the off-season.

So last year I started with the Keto diet, t3, clen, gh + LOT of cardio
All at once.
I got to 10% bf SUPER quick.
but then I was fucked and I couldn't get any lower so I had to quit the diet.

This year I read some stuff that Chris Aceto wrote about Troy Alves's diet, he said that in order to get in spectacular condition, one must get to 8-9%bf without doing much in term of drugs, cardio or extreme dieting.

So I want to do this nice and slow, and then I'll get fucking ripped  
well, I'll try.
I have never been fucking ripped, plus I always have a fat face just like Kuclo

[Bobby]

I actually love the keto diet.
I have used Palumbo's one in early 2007 to flush most of my fat before switching to a carb-protein diet again 3 months out of the show.

I used it again last year but my biggest mistake, just like this year, is that I started the diet at 18% bf at least !!
I know, stupid, but I always get caught up in the "numbers" in the off-season.

So last year I started with the Keto diet, t3, clen, gh + LOT of cardio
All at once.
I got to 10% bf SUPER quick.
but then I was fucked and I couldn't get any lower so I had to quit the diet.

This year I read some stuff that Chris Aceto wrote about Troy Alves's diet, he said that in order to get in spectacular condition, one must get to 8-9%bf without doing much in term of drugs, cardio or extreme dieting.

So I want to do this nice and slow, and then I'll get fucking ripped  
well, I'll try.
I have never been fucking ripped, plus I always have a fat face just like Kuclo

He also says a lot of interesting stuff like take a couple of weeks off from dieting and cardio (without getting fatter) and then restart the diet...to get out of the rot/stop going sideways. I think that is very important because most ppl just slash their calories even lower and add even more cardio.

[Stavios]

He also says a lot of interesting stuff like take a couple of weeks off from dieting and cardio (without getting fatter) and then restart the diet...to get out of the rot/stop going sideways. I think that is very important because most ppl just slash their calories even lower and add even more cardio.

Dude knows his shit, just look at Troy Alves's condition lately or Edouardo Correa