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« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2010, 08:01:14 AM »
In April 1989, an elite U.S. track-and-field athlete named Diane Williams presented herself before a United States Senate Judiciary Committee in Washington, DC.  The Olympic version of Joe Valaci, Williams spilled the roids out of the Olympic gym bag and told what would become a ubiquitous tale of steroid abuse among female track athletes at both the amateur and Olympic levels.

Hot on the heels of Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson's media fiasco which saw him stripped of his 100-meter gold medal at the Summer Olympics in Seoul, Korea, for failing a steroid test, her testimony, and the testimony that followed from other athletes and coaches, insinuated that steroid use was rampant among athletes of all levels, male and female. So inspired by these events, after the hearings Sen. Joseph Biden Jr., D-Del., (now Vice President Biden) drafted a bill which classified anabolic steroids as Schedule III substances, placing them in the same legal category as amphetamines, pain killers, various barbiturates and Benzodiazepines (Valium).  The senior president George Bush signed the bill into law in 1990 creating the Anabolic Substance control Act, and history was made.  Since that time the US sentencing commission has convened on two separate occasions, and both times raised the penalties for Steroid convictions. Pretty much gone are the days of straight probation for selling even just a couple of bottles of test.  The new battle lines were drawn and now the fight to rid the earth of steroids has become another battle in the woefully pathetic, perennial, and continually lost war on drugs.  The only thing that subsequently changed was that elite athletes became criminals - no one stopped using steroids, in fact the numbers rose.

Regardless of the new classification, which can draw prison terms of up to ten years, the fastest-growing group of steroid users in the United States is not professional athletes, but everyday body-conscious people looking for the social accolades that come when you're bricked.  According to a study conducted 15 years ago by Dr. Charles Yesalis, a professor at Penn State University and a world renowned expert on anabolic steroids, of the estimated 3 million people who have used anabolic steroids in America, 33 percent of those users took the drugs solely for cosmetic effects. Today those numbers are exponentially much higher.

Those millions of users also include those who have admitted to using steroids at some point in their career; entertainers such as pro wrestlers, including Hulk Hogan and Jesse "The Senator" Ventura, and actors such as Sylvester Stallone and former Mr. Olympia turned Governator, Arnold Schwarzenegger, who, quite ironically, chaired President George Bush's Council on Physical Fitness shortly after Bush signed Sen. Biden's crackdown bill on steroids.

For the aforementioned, and a lot of other actors, athletes, sports entertainers, etc., performance enhancing drugs are more or less just part of the job, yet they get the same rap as drugs which are clearly recreational, making extreme physical prowess and the ability to recover as much a sign of illicit behavior as clenched teeth and dilated pupils.  Think about that the next time you are at a pro sports event or an Olympic competition or a bodybuilding contest - the majority of those whom you have paid to see perform have committed felonies for your viewing pleasure.

 

 

In bodybuilding today those chasing Olympia recognition have no choice but to use drugs. The system has decided for them. Their individual conscience has been eaten by the group's dynamic. The consensus is that bodybuilding actually promotes drug taking despite its clearly stated rules against it. Contract renewals depend on bodybuilders winning contests, or at least placing in the top five or ten. The competition is so great that bodybuilders routinely take extreme risks - not only with their health, but also with their freedom.

Certainly, the moral dilemma any drug taking athlete is faced with stems from the fact that performance enhancing drugs are banned by their sports federation and are also illegal to buy and sell.  The wide spread proliferation of drug use in sports should indicate to some one at the top that perhaps drug use should be permitted in sports, thus availing athletes who wish to use them to competent medical assistance and real pharmaceutical drugs at a reasonable price.  The fact that they're not is a serious failing of the system because any athlete who wishes to exercise freedom over his own body and use performance enhancing drugs - for whatever reason - must do so under the blind eye of the medical community at large.  The AMA, still to this day, proffers the notion that steroids are useless in bettering strength, performance and muscle growth!  That's obviously bullshit and it leaves athletes out in the cold with regard to their health by the very community sworn to protect it.  I don't know where doctors got the notion that they are only supposed to help sick people, except, of course, plastic surgeons.  If you wish to exercise your freedom over your own body and have something augmented, reshaped or removed, and have a big wad of the folding green, they're all over it.  But, if you want to reshape your body and do it from the inside out, you're out of luck.

In essence, the first step to allow drug use in sports is to legalize them.  At the very least this would diminish the social stigma against drugs - which the law today helps to reinforce. Perhaps then this level playing field crap would diminish as well.  With the exception of a very small handful of exceptionally talented and gifted athletes, there is only a level playing field if an athlete uses drugs.

Now, just a soon as the conservative, hypocritical, puritanical lunatics who make the laws in the US put down their Scotch and water and take a big long pull off their Marlboro, they will undoubtedly defend the decision to criminalize steroids because it is in the public interest to do so because these drugs, first and foremost, are dangerous.

As compared to what?  Other legal drugs?  Ha!

Each year, about 2 billion legal drugs are dispensed to people who rely on them for everything from allergies to diabetes and depression.  But, in a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, researches found that adverse reactions to prescription drugs may rank somewhere between the fourth and fifth leading cause of death in the United States. (No one has ever died as a direct result of steroid use.)  Dr. Bruce Pomeranz, a professor at the University of Toronto, and his team analyzed 39 studies conducted in American hospitals over four decades.  The results were startling; of the 33 million patients admitted to hospitals in 1994, more than 100,000 died from toxic reactions to medications that were administered properly, either before or after they were hospitalized.  Another 2 million suffered serious side effects.  In other words, in 1994 more than 2 1/2 times as many people died from properly using their medication than died from AIDS!  Did I mention that no one has ever died as a direct result of steroid use?

Dr. Lucian Leape of the Harvard Medical School paints a bleak picture.  While 100,000 deaths is 100,000 too many, those represent just .32 percent of hospitalized patients.  "When you realize how many drugs we use," said Dr. Lucian, "maybe those numbers aren't so bad after all."  Oh-migod.

Forget about alcohol and cigarettes for a minute, we all know how bad those are for you and I'm not going to keep harping on it regardless of what a travesty it represents, but what about junk food?  If steroids and recreational drugs are illegal because they are bad for you, then we need to make junk food illegal too and take the war on drugs to Mickey Dee's.  The FDA recently stated that "obesity contributed to the deaths of an estimated 300,000 Americans each year."  In 1993, then Surgeon General C. Everett Koop stood on the White House lawn and launched a program called Shape up America!  Koop called obesity "a major public health threat" and said it had become the nation's number 2 cause of death behind smoking, "resulting in about 300,000 deaths each year."  The American Obesity Association echoed those same statistics. Obesity is also associated with increased risk of cardio vascular disease, certain cancers and diabetes.  Yet, Americans keep getting fatter.  By last count, 64% were overweight or obese.  Yet, kids can still buy high calorie crap, but an adult can't legally buy steroids to be muscular and lean.  That makes sense.

 

Without a doubt, steroids, if taken under a medically supervised plan, in sane dosages, based on prudent research, would be far less harmful than just about any legal drug on the market.  But because they are in fact illegal, a very unique set of circumstances exists that clearly undermines the athletes health.  Because steroids are illegal to use for performance enhancement, and yet most performance enhancement is drug assisted, some of the best steroids have been taken off the market. Somehow the drug companies were pressured to do so because it became evident that only healthy athletes were using them.  Dianabol, Finajet, Anavar, to name a few, are now only manufactured by foreign drug companies and sold on the black market, or by rouge steroid bootleggers.  These bootleggers, many of whom are just graduate level chemists with a shop set up in Mexico or in some barn in the middle of Idaho, and access to the internet, are also marketing designers steroids.  These are concoctions of hormones specifically geared toward bodybuilding, many times configured with veterinary ingredients.  Some are good - really good - so good in fact that many top pros are their exclusive clients and the average Joe bodybuilder can't touch his products.  Unfortunately, this is the exception, not the rule.  Just like during prohibition, there was bathtub gin, these days there are bathtub steroids of questionable quality, made with questionable ingredients - if any, some are just oil with no drug in it what so ever - and some are down right dirty causing illness, fever, infection and abscesses that sometimes need surgical attention.

The blind eye the medical community turns toward bodybuilding has given rise to self proclaimed experts, gurus, and informed gym rats, most of whom have a better handle on steroids than most MDs.  Unfortunately, their knowledge is empirical and some guys come up with ruthless opinions that would have their charges taking inhuman doses of drugs far exceeding the bounds of safety and efficacy. If drugs were legal and if sport began to realize that they need to change their rules and allow drug use, all the athletes who use them - 80% by some estimates, would at least be doing so under proper medical supervision.  Any cries of danger made by the medical community with regard to performance enhancing drugs is made possible only because they won't help us.  Steroids would be far safer to use if they were legal, but they are not because the US government insists on fighting a war it can't possibly win.

 

Perhaps it could be argued, finally, that it is human nature to do whatever it takes to do that which one ultimately endeavors to achieve i.e., win a gold medal, set a world record, become a champion, even if doing whatever it takes includes cheating or endangering their health.  Hell-O!  The athletes of the world have proven one thing for sure - outlaw drugs and they will still use them.  It's time to change the damn rules, but we can't do that until athletes get their freedom back and they can't do that until the US government surrenders.  How about accepting the fact that athletes will, and do, depart from the rule book- the carrot being dangled before them is just too enticing - and spend the time, energy and money used to combat drugs on providing the athletes who choose to use drugs accurate information, competent  medical assistance and access to real, safe, pharmaceutical items.  Why should drugs which safely boost performance only be indicated for the sick and the dying?

Like it or not, young athletes today are faced with the fact that drugs are part of sports, and if you've got game, sooner or later you are going to be deciding weather or not the benefits steroids offer are worth the risk of taking them.  That is a personal choice, and for a lot of them the answer is going to be yes.  That is never going to change, and in America, that choice should be free.  We don't need the government to protect us from ourselves, we need them to protect us from middle east terrorists.  Legalize drugs and go fight a real war - one America can win.  America needs to fight for freedom on all fronts, not just with those who oppose democracy.

The simple fact of the matter is this: Alcohol and tobacco are by far the most lethal consumable items on Earth, having directly claimed many times more lives than all the soft and hard drugs combined, yet these drugs are perfectly legal in the U.S. for anyone over the age of 21 to purchase.  These two drugs also account for huge price tags on the health care system, abuse counseling, the justice system, and lost wages and corporate losses -- no different, although probably to a greater degree, than anything drugs would cause.   To say that other less dangerous drugs are illegal is violating the rights of anyone with a free mind in America.  It has also turned many non criminals into criminals, most notably athletes.  If there is to be equality under the law and the government has appointed itself our savior, then they should also criminalize tobacco and alcohol and take them off the market immediately.  It only makes sense based on all their arguments against the drugs they now deem harmful and thus illegal.  If the government won't do that, then it is incumbent upon them to uphold the very tenets of freedom-- those proffered by Milton Friedman and John Stuart Mill-- and legalize the rest of the drugs and let people make up their own minds and hold themselves accountable.  Then, America would truly be "home of the free."
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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2010, 08:03:40 AM »
spot on by Romono^^^like him or not what he says in the above article is based on common sense and supported by actual facts...unlike these fear mongers that would have you believe the sky is falling if marijuana was to become legal,...
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« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2010, 08:04:01 AM »
LOL...oh brother. I'm almost 18-19 years clean, I've just grown up and seen the light. I've been a Christian for 12 years. You mean I'm a hipocryte if I change my views from almost 2 decades ago? Hahahaha..K!

You've seen the light by becoming a christian? It's more like you've been told what to believe. Believing is: not knowing. So, you don't know, but you believe.

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2010, 08:04:49 AM »
And to think people start threads and talk shit about me all because I voted no on the weed issue. Its not my place to tell people what they can or cannot do and my opinionated facts are all based on personal experiance. Its not a "me" or "I" issue.

I'm confused.. You voted no to allowing people to smoke pot, then say it's not your place to tell people what they can or cannot do? Did I read that wrong?

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2010, 08:06:39 AM »
Coach is a totally unconscious entity who can't think outside of the letter I or word me. Seems like a decent guy though, just what most people would call new money/soul



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« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2010, 08:07:28 AM »
I'm confused.. You voted no to allowing people to smoke pot, then say it's not your place to tell people what they can or cannot do? Did I read that wrong?

The coach is a christian, and christians are confused.

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« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2010, 12:58:46 PM »
You've seen the light by becoming a christian? It's more like you've been told what to believe. Believing is: not knowing. So, you don't know, but you believe.

The coach is a christian, and christians are confused.

When you suspend logic and independent thought process, you can't help but to fall into the mental bottom feeders category.  By far and large, Christians are just insecure wimps who can't handle the reality of the modern world.  Which is exactly why their numbers are decreasing over the years.

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2010, 02:45:33 PM »
When you suspend logic and independent thought process, you can't help but to fall into the mental bottom feeders category.  By far and large, Christians are just insecure wimps who can't handle the reality of the modern world.  Which is exactly why their numbers are decreasing over the years.

So you know how this world and the universe came into being? You either believe that the universe always existed or that it was created. Neither can be proven and both views are matters of faith.

So you really think that William F. Buckley, every President of the United States, Isaac Newton, Chuck Norris, C.S. Lewis, Martin Luther King, Arnold.... are insecure wimps who can't handle, um, "reality"?

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« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2010, 08:11:05 PM »
If there is a being so powerful enough to create the entire universe, then he wouldn't really need a rest of 1,000 years afterwards then would he?
He/She/It is so powerful but yet can't prove themselves or save starving kids in a third world country?  Or maybe He/She/It is just testing them?

As far as the rest of your post goes, there is a difference between being religious and being spiritual.  The majority of dumbass Christians are religious.  Which is their own mental shortcoming. 

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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2010, 02:14:32 AM »
Roger that. I thought you were talking about hormones.
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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #86 on: November 12, 2010, 02:55:01 AM »
If there is a being so powerful enough to create the entire universe, then he wouldn't really need a rest of 1,000 years afterwards then would he?
He/She/It is so powerful but yet can't prove themselves or save starving kids in a third world country?  Or maybe He/She/It is just testing them?

As far as the rest of your post goes, there is a difference between being religious and being spiritual.  The majority of dumbass Christians are religious.  Which is their own mental shortcoming. 

I love that! I hear that all the time. 100% of the time! "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual." Tell me friend, what do you mean by spiritual? Be specific and clear. Spell it out real simple because I have some mental short comings.

BTW, epic non sequitur to my response. I pointed out that one must believe that either matter just simply always existed or that it was created and both views are a matter of faith. So both views suspend logic by your definition. Of course, there may be another alternative which I posed to you and your reply strayed wildly as to why there is evil in the world or God needing to rest. Address the issue, please, if you are able to get past your anger and spite.

I always find it curious how religious people view atheist as being wrong and misguided but bear no hatred, anger, or animosity towards that person. Not so with the atheist. There seems to be genuine anger, spite and frustration as evidence by your unprovoked insults and name calling.

But one question at a time. Tell me about your spirituality?

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2010, 04:19:18 AM »
I love that! I hear that all the time. 100% of the time! "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual." Tell me friend, what do you mean by spiritual? Be specific and clear. Spell it out real simple because I have some mental short comings.

BTW, epic non sequitur to my response. I pointed out that one must believe that either matter just simply always existed or that it was created and both views are a matter of faith. So both views suspend logic by your definition. Of course, there may be another alternative which I posed to you and your reply strayed wildly as to why there is evil in the world or God needing to rest. Address the issue, please, if you are able to get past your anger and spite.

I always find it curious how religious people view atheist as being wrong and misguided but bear no hatred, anger, or animosity towards that person. Not so with the atheist. There seems to be genuine anger, spite and frustration as evidence by your unprovoked insults and name calling.

But one question at a time. Tell me about your spirituality?


It is interesting what one experiences that is so different from another. For example, you found religious people view atheists as wrong and misguided but bear no hatred, anger or animosity towards that person and not so with the atheist.. I found it to be the exact opposite. I can certainly think of examples in history where religious people held quite a bit of animosity towards atheists as well as people of a different personal belief i.e. Protestants vs Catholics, Muslims Vs Christians. I personally find most atheists/Agnostics to be indifferent to others personal beliefs while the Christians feel it is their mandate to convert the non believers..

And as far as your experience with hearing "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual" and asking them to be specific and clear...... try that with a Christian telling you what happens after you die, or what is heaven exactly like.... or why does god allow a 4 yr old to be repeatedly raped by his uncle but helps Bill get that job promotion he's been praying about...


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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2010, 11:15:23 AM »
It is interesting what one experiences that is so different from another. For example, you found religious people view atheists as wrong and misguided but bear no hatred, anger or animosity towards that person and not so with the atheist.. I found it to be the exact opposite. I can certainly think of examples in history where religious people held quite a bit of animosity towards atheists as well as people of a different personal belief i.e. Protestants vs Catholics, Muslims Vs Christians. I personally find most atheists/Agnostics to be indifferent to others personal beliefs while the Christians feel it is their mandate to convert the non believers..

And as far as your experience with hearing "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual" and asking them to be specific and clear...... try that with a Christian telling you what happens after you die, or what is heaven exactly like.... or why does god allow a 4 yr old to be repeatedly raped by his uncle but helps Bill get that job promotion he's been praying about...



In the past, religious intolerance, i.e., religious people toward the non religious, was rampant and often brutal and cruel. I'm talking about today, my friend. And I'm not talking about Islam. Religion is widely mocked in the secular world. Just take this board as an example. There are a lot more religious people here than you would think but most are too scared or embarrassed to admit it. Just off the top of my head only Coach, Ursus and myself freely admit our faith and speak openly about it and defend it. But we do not insult and condemn non believers unless we are attacked first. Coach may attack others on their political beliefs and/or moral behavior but I've never seen him name call or insult someone based solely on their beliefs unless attacked first.

In answer to your questions: What happens after you die? Heaven or hell. I, nor anyone else, knows exactly what Heaven will be like. To address the problem of evil in the world and why bad things happen to good people is far beyond the scope of this board. But, in brief, man was given free will. Free to choose between good and evil. God could have very easily programmed us to do nothing but good. He did not. To me, a more interesting and fair question is not so much whether a God exists, but is he good?

OK? I can't be anymore specific and clear without further torturing CalvinH with my long winded posts. Now it's your turn. Explain your spirituality.
 

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2010, 01:51:50 PM »

I love that! I hear that all the time. 100% of the time! "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual." Tell me friend, what do you mean by spiritual? Be specific and clear. Spell it out real simple because I have some mental short comings.

You can determine for yourself the difference between being religious and being spiritual.  Was Ghandi religious or spiritual?  Is the Phelps clan religious or spiritual?  Taliban?  Dali Lama?  If you can't tell the difference, I can't help you.

BTW, epic non sequitur to my response. I pointed out that one must believe that either matter just simply always existed or that it was created and both views are a matter of faith. So both views suspend logic by your definition. Of course, there may be another alternative which I posed to you and your reply strayed wildly as to why there is evil in the world or God needing to rest. Address the issue, please, if you are able to get past your anger and spite.

I never said anything in regards to why there is evil in the world.  Who said starving children are evil?  It's Gods Will.  Are you to argue with that?  Add comprehensive reading skills to your short coming list.  And why should I have spite and anger?  That is foolish.  Simply because it conflicts with your fairy tale beliefs?  Try again.

I always find it curious how religious people view atheist as being wrong and misguided but bear no hatred, anger, or animosity towards that person. Not so with the atheist. There seems to be genuine anger, spite and frustration as evidence by your unprovoked insults and name calling.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!   Hypocrisy is a bear trap for Christians in this regard.  Last time I checked, the atheist doesn't want to impose an imaginary being beliefs upon the entire country whether it believes the same as they do or not.  Last time I checked, the atheist doesn't quote things from a contradictory book and use it to judge others.  Last time I checked, the atheist doesn't pick and choose which of the principles of the good book that suit that current views and needs while rejecting the rest in order to feel secure about themselves.



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« Reply #90 on: November 12, 2010, 01:53:44 PM »
It is interesting what one experiences that is so different from another. For example, you found religious people view atheists as wrong and misguided but bear no hatred, anger or animosity towards that person and not so with the atheist.. I found it to be the exact opposite. I can certainly think of examples in history where religious people held quite a bit of animosity towards atheists as well as people of a different personal belief i.e. Protestants vs Catholics, Muslims Vs Christians. I personally find most atheists/Agnostics to be indifferent to others personal beliefs while the Christians feel it is their mandate to convert the non believers..

And as far as your experience with hearing "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual" and asking them to be specific and clear...... try that with a Christian telling you what happens after you die, or what is heaven exactly like.... or why does god allow a 4 yr old to be repeatedly raped by his uncle but helps Bill get that job promotion he's been praying about...



Exactly.  As I stated above regarding hypocrisy being a bear trap....

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« Reply #91 on: November 12, 2010, 01:54:57 PM »
Coach may attack others on their political beliefs and/or moral behavior but I've never seen him name call or insult someone based solely on their beliefs unless attacked first.
 

Oh so saying liberals won't go to heaven isn't a baseless attack on your fellow Christians? 


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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #92 on: November 12, 2010, 01:56:03 PM »


In answer to your questions: What happens after you die? Heaven or hell. I, nor anyone else, knows exactly what Heaven will be like.
 

you don't know if there even is a heaven let alone what it's like...you may believe there is one but you don't know there is one...theirs a difference...
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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #93 on: November 12, 2010, 02:08:07 PM »
you don't know if there even is a heaven let alone what it's like...you may believe there is one but you don't know there is one...theirs a difference...

Never have I said I "know". Neither do believers. It should have been obvious from my posts. It's a matter of faith whether God does or doesn not exist.

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« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2010, 02:23:10 PM »
I love that! I hear that all the time. 100% of the time! "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual." Tell me friend, what do you mean by spiritual? Be specific and clear. Spell it out real simple because I have some mental short comings.

You can determine for yourself the difference between being religious and being spiritual.  Was Ghandi religious or spiritual?  Is the Phelps clan religious or spiritual?  Taliban?  Dali Lama?  If you can't tell the difference, I can't help you.

BTW, epic non sequitur to my response. I pointed out that one must believe that either matter just simply always existed or that it was created and both views are a matter of faith. So both views suspend logic by your definition. Of course, there may be another alternative which I posed to you and your reply strayed wildly as to why there is evil in the world or God needing to rest. Address the issue, please, if you are able to get past your anger and spite.

I never said anything in regards to why there is evil in the world.  Who said starving children are evil?  It's Gods Will.  Are you to argue with that?  Add comprehensive reading skills to your short coming list.  And why should I have spite and anger?  That is foolish.  Simply because it conflicts with your fairy tale beliefs?  Try again.

I always find it curious how religious people view atheist as being wrong and misguided but bear no hatred, anger, or animosity towards that person. Not so with the atheist. There seems to be genuine anger, spite and frustration as evidence by your unprovoked insults and name calling.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!   Hypocrisy is a bear trap for Christians in this regard.  Last time I checked, the atheist doesn't want to impose an imaginary being beliefs upon the entire country whether it believes the same as they do or not.  Last time I checked, the atheist doesn't quote things from a contradictory book and use it to judge others.  Last time I checked, the atheist doesn't pick and choose which of the principles of the good book that suit that current views and needs while rejecting the rest in order to feel secure about themselves.




Really can't answer a simple question. I can simply evade any and all questions and challenges by saying, "If you don't know I can't help you." It's a simple cop out.

I don't know how you would categorize starving children. How about bad? This is assuming you think evil is bad. 

Check again. Who wants to forbid children from voluntarily praying in schools. Who wants to remove "In God We Trust." Who wants to remove all references to the Bible in our society.

We are now coming upon the Christmas season which is the celebration of Christ. Pay attention to the objections to the manger scene of Christ's birth. Not allowing "Merry Christmas" but saying "Happy Holidays" instead.

Last time I checked, atheists pick and choose conduct of behavior based on the principles of their feelings that suit their current needs and views.

It's obvious you are not here to debate or clarify issues or beliefs. Simply to attack and vent.  Fair enough.

May God have mercy on your soul.
 

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2010, 02:24:49 PM »
Oh so saying liberals won't go to heaven isn't a baseless attack on your fellow Christians? 



Show me where Coach has ever said that being a liberal is a mortal sin condemning someone to hell?

Coach, if you read this please clarify.




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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2010, 02:26:29 PM »
Never have I said I "know". Neither do believers. It should have been obvious from my posts. It's a matter of faith whether God does or doesn not exist.

meh..there in "lie's" the problem...you have people voting for laws & politicians (that effect us all) based on there "faith" along with churches raking in untaxed cash yet telling people who they should vote for the list goes on & on...religion is the biggest scam this world has ever known...


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Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. - Doug McLeod

Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? - Anonymous

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2010, 03:44:59 PM »
staunch right wing folks do not use logic and reason, deicide.
or like obama who says he wants the economy to recover but passes legislation after legislation that hinders its growth?

sounds pretty logical doesnt it  :D ;) ;D

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« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2010, 05:53:17 PM »
meh..there in "lie's" the problem...you have people voting for laws & politicians (that effect us all) based on there "faith" along with churches raking in untaxed cash yet telling people who they should vote for the list goes on & on...religion is the biggest scam this world has ever known...


A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. - Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. - Doug McLeod

Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? - Anonymous

Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. - Anonymous

Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. - Anonymous

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - Christopher Hitchens

On the first day, man created God. - Anonymous

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts


oh and "in god we trust" wasnt added to our money untill the 1950's so dont get it twisted our founding fathers would not want that on our tender and they didnt...


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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2010, 05:55:59 PM »
meh..there in "lie's" the problem...you have people voting for laws & politicians (that effect us all) based on there "faith" along with churches raking in untaxed cash yet telling people who they should vote for the list goes on & on...religion is the biggest scam this world has ever known...


A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. - Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. - Doug McLeod

Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? - Anonymous

Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. - Anonymous

Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. - Anonymous

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - Christopher Hitchens

On the first day, man created God. - Anonymous

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts


oh and "in god we trust" wasnt added to our money untill the 1950's so dont get it twisted our founding fathers would not want that on our tender and they didnt...

Some great damn quotes