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rational training
« on: May 25, 2011, 01:44:05 AM »
hit?
not hit?

if volume is the key
then how much?
as much as you can handle?
everyone know pros are roided as are pro nba nfl etc adn 85% of their mucles come from needle
what can natural do but volume train and undereat?
do pushups chins matter vs weights?
to body all same?
large volume of pushups situps chins beter worse than large volume running?

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Re: rational training
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 04:41:35 AM »
As Mentzer once said, "Bodybuilding is not an endurance contest" ;D

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Re: rational training
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 06:11:07 AM »
Try and see what works for you.everybody responds different.

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Re: rational training
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2011, 10:48:37 AM »
hit?
not hit?

if volume is the key
then how much?
as much as you can handle?
everyone know pros are roided as are pro nba nfl etc adn 85% of their mucles come from needle
what can natural do but volume train and undereat?
do pushups chins matter vs weights?
to body all same?
large volume of pushups situps chins beter worse than large volume running?
10-12 sets for big body parts.....ie chest....back...legs etc

8-9 sets for bis....tris....etc

train 4-5 days a week

quit using the steroid excuse for not developing a great physique.....get that thought out of your head.....and just get in the gym and train.....keep things basic and simple.....keep your eye on the ball.

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Re: rational training
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2011, 10:25:12 PM »
I found Mentzer-style HIT training was not as good as I had hoped because it lacked functional, practical movements. The whole 4 seconds positive, 2 seconds hold, 4 seconds negative thing gives an insane burn, but I prefer a more "standard" method when handling weight. I lost a lot of strength doing HIT training because the slow reps forced me to drop the weight significantly, therefore disabling me from performing heavy lifts.

I feel that Mentzer-style HIT training has its place in a training regimen, but it should only be used periodically to change things up -- never as a permanent foundation for a bodybuilding routine.

However, training WITH high intensity (i.e. going to positive failure) I feel is absolutely vital to achieving optimum workouts and muscle development. Of course it is necessary to adjust rep ranges, set numbers, exercises, rest days, etc. as your personal experience dictates. Everyone is different -- finding what works best for you through adjustments such as the ones aforementioned is key!

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Re: rational training
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2011, 11:52:12 PM »
I found Mentzer-style HIT training was not as good as I had hoped because it lacked functional, practical movements. The whole 4 seconds positive, 2 seconds hold, 4 seconds negative thing gives an insane burn, but I prefer a more "standard" method when handling weight. I lost a lot of strength doing HIT training because the slow reps forced me to drop the weight significantly, therefore disabling me from performing heavy lifts.

I feel that Mentzer-style HIT training has its place in a training regimen, but it should only be used periodically to change things up -- never as a permanent foundation for a bodybuilding routine.

However, training WITH high intensity (i.e. going to positive failure) I feel is absolutely vital to achieving optimum workouts and muscle development. Of course it is necessary to adjust rep ranges, set numbers, exercises, rest days, etc. as your personal experience dictates. Everyone is different -- finding what works best for you through adjustments such as the ones aforementioned is key!


Good post man, I've found that if your training heavy enough (within the 5 to 8 rep range) then your speed of movement will take care of itself, since it isn't possible to move too fast when the wieght is so damn heavy ;D

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Re: rational training
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 09:38:05 AM »
A lot depends on body type, and how long you`ve been training..........if you are a veteran as opposed to a newbie.

If you`re a beginner stick to a few basic movements for example.

Hard question to answer without more info.