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Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
« on: December 08, 2011, 03:32:58 PM »
When I'm doing chest day, my shoulders are giving out well before I feel my chest is adequately worked.  And yes, I do have a disproportionate shoulder/chest ratio.  My chest is rather, uh, flat..but my delts stick out.  When I get to my fourth or fifth set on around the 3rd chest exercise, I can't do much 'cause my shoulders are just killing me at that point. 

Is this a mind/muscle thing?  Or is it possible that I am benching(dumbbells or flat bench) too far up?  When I lower the bar, I touch it to the far upper region of my chest.

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Re: Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 04:20:08 PM »
When I'm doing chest day, my shoulders are giving out well before I feel my chest is adequately worked.  And yes, I do have a disproportionate shoulder/chest ratio.  My chest is rather, uh, flat..but my delts stick out.  When I get to my fourth or fifth set on around the 3rd chest exercise, I can't do much 'cause my shoulders are just killing me at that point.  

Is this a mind/muscle thing?  Or is it possible that I am benching(dumbbells or flat bench) too far up?  When I lower the bar, I touch it to the far upper region of my chest.


It's probably a technique matter.
Personally, I prefer lowering the bar/db's closer to my neck because I feel greater pectoral involvement.

Off the top of my head, here are some things you may consider trying:

1.) Change hand positioning/spacing/grip width. Everybody is built a little bit different, and a minor grip change may make a difference.

2.) Experiment with elbow positioning, too. You'll notice that Ronnie & Branch often employ pressing form that sees their elbows at about a 45 degree angle from their torso as opposed to more of a 90 degree angle. This may negate some shoulder involvement.

3.) Give dumbbells a try. They will help fascilitate the idea in #2. You can even hold the db's at a similar 45 degree angle, which many bigger guys I've known prefer - especially when doing flyes. Db's also permit greater freedom for your upper body to make minor adjustments that a barbell limits by locking you into a more fixed position. This may alleviate some strain from your delts.

4.) When doing incline work, use a lower - maybe even the lowest setting on the bench. A slight incline will have a good effect on the pecs, but too much incline can call into play too much shoulders.

5.) Finally, consider where you do shoulders in relation to chest during the week. Your issue may be a simple matter of changing your training split; either doing chest before shoulders or placing more days between chest & delts, for example.

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Re: Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 04:59:08 PM »
BJGray: Montague offers good advice.  Just want to Interject some questions here.

Curious how dips or declines affect your front delts, same problem? When you say tired do you mean a tightness or stretch in the delt area. Is one delt feeling the stress more than the other delt? Would there be somewhat of a burning feeling at any time doing presses?

As Montague suggest, a wide hand spacing will throw more of an influence on the pec's themselves. With dips, you are pushing down and along side the body, rather than out and away as with flat/incline/decline benches. Could make a difference perhaps, some guy's find it so. Even bent arm pullovers affect the pecs very well, if you would care to investigate those as an exercise for the chest. And of course DB flys, with a slight bend at the elbows to reduce any pressure on the elbows and shoulder joints.

Might suggest, as an alternative to any kind of press (even  DB fly's) for the chest, using the Pec decks. If you gym has one that required the elbows resting on pads to move the stack, than so much the better. Good Luck.
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Re: Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 05:01:23 PM »
Flyes before pressing helped me.
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Re: Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 12:15:17 AM »
Close the grip and avoid the perpendicular elbows.
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Re: Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 07:00:53 AM »
Flyes before pressing helped me.
yes maybe you could try pre-exhaust, that way the pecs are not needing much to stimulate them. i would however (as stated) try parallel bar dips. Do a Tri set of Dips ..flys...push ups... if you are not fried ..then you are in the wrong sport!!! 8) 8)

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Re: Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 08:21:52 AM »
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Re: Shoulders tiring out b4 chest is exhausted
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