what if his name was not jay cuttler?

[Tito24]

[NarcissisticDeity]

So Jay winning is because he is white  So why did Ronnie win it so many years in a row ? Did they think he was gona be the All American boy maybe next year so lets give it to him again ? haha more epic black paranoia

I don't get that nonsense , they had a perfect opportunity after Haney retired to pick ( if that were the case ) a stellar marketing tool in the form of Lee Labrada , although Cuban appeared white , he was college educated ( engineering degree ) married with a pretty wife , with a child a dedicated family man , an ' attainable ' physique with broad mass appeal  , well spoken and articulate and handsome , that's as win-win as it gets , no instead they chose a pasty unheard of Brit with tattoos and a questionable past who took off to England every year after he won.

There is no way you're gonna tell me contestants are handpicked to win the Olympia based on marketing appeal not after knowing that.

[Parker]

If you're eluding to Jay only winning as a marketing ploy on Weider's behalf it's failed miserably because just a sampling of bodybuilding boards Jay Cutler is NOT well liked or well received , most people on the boards think he sucks outright

Shawn Ray has done more Flex magazine covers than anyone and probably more covers than any pro sans Arnold and this is when their white champion's reign. Pumpster claimed Dorian was picked to be Olympia winner because he was white and marketable which was just the opposite , he was known as the Shadow for a reason

Jay wins the Olympia because he is among the biggest guys with acceptable conditioning it has nothing to do with white kids buying magazines and supplements because he has the personality of a fridge 

I was going to mention Shawn, Shawn is a anomaly as he was the "pretty boy". It is quite true that he has done a lot of Flex mags, but Milos, a few others were the ones that other mags went to to market the man who gets the girl. Flex Mag thru the 90s, was the go to for hardcore. Also, Shawn was a Weider athelete, and one of their top ones---so of course they would have put him on. Had Dennis Newman panned out, Shawn would have had less, Dennis Newman was Weider's All-American marketing dream come true. He had everything...

You and I both know that marketing to a certain group and who that group is, hell, it's played out on GB everyday. The MMA base is Bbing's base, and that is why a lot of bbing supp companies are marketing a lot of their products to the MMA base...why you see BSN ads, banners and emblems at MMA events.

Jay wins not just because he is the biggest, he for the most part lacks what every Mr. O before him had, and that is a outstanding back. He lacks conditioning. He never beat Ronnie, Ronnie beat himself (what made him, broke him).
It was said way back in 99 that Jay was looked at as being very marketable due to his All-American looks.
Odd how an American can be anybody...
That being said, one cannot count Jay out.

[Parker]

So Jay winning is because he is white  So why did Ronnie win it so many years in a row ? Did they think he was gona be the All American boy maybe next year so lets give it to him again ? haha more epic black paranoia

No, not exactly...Jay was "the only big one left", almost..
It was said yrs ago, that Jay was marketable, yrs ago...
Jay has been given tons of gifts, I don't knock a bber for taking gifts placings, you give em, I take em
. Flex was given gifts due to his shape, Dillett got a huge gift at the NOC when it should have gone to Ruhl, who actually came in condition...

The IFBB and "the powers that be" want a marketable bber. Shawn Ray and Rich Jones are examples that Weider snatched up, even doing the tag line on Rich's cover of "Future Mr. O?"

they couldn't deny Ronnie, dude was the shit, and was too likeable.

But, what they want is a clean, humble as pie, dude in the vein of Arnold, but an All-American...
Which is part of the reason why Cormier was looked at as "the forgettable one".

Image and what they want to present, has a shit load to do with winning, when it comes close...

Notice how we talk about Dorian and Ronnie? Hard workers, everyday men, "beasts".
Yet Ronnie was a cop using illegal sustances. And Dorian brought the drug game up to a serious level.

Our perception doesn't include those things, as we see what we want to see, what is presented to us.
And then, the naive kids are marketed this bullshit of what makes a champion, and to be like them...

[George Whorewell]

Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.

Racist post reported.

[whitewidow]

We all know heath is next! it just looks like this sport is fixed! Even if somebody comes in more ripped and impressive than Jay or heath one of the 2 will win this year no matter what! I think back in 08 melvin anthony looked insane but no matter how great he looked that night no way they would have gave him the win.

[pellius]

what if his name was mustafa mohammed?

lol! Not a chance. Not a chance in hell.

[pellius]

We all know heath is next! it just looks like this sport is fixed! Even if somebody comes in more ripped and impressive than Jay or heath one of the 2 will win this year no matter what! I think back in 08 melvin anthony looked insane but no matter how great he looked that night no way they would have gave him the win.

QFT but fixed to a point. Phil doesn't really have to improve. Just come in like he's been doing and he gets it after Jay leaves. But if he screws up and doesn't nail his conditioning he's going to lose if only to maintain some semblance of credibility. I mean, Jay has gotten many gifts but at some point if he comes in smooth as a baby's ass (no pedo) he ain't getting it and it went to Dexter. But for the most part I agree with you that the winner is already loosely predetermined but they have to do their part, at least some of it. Phil just has to wait until Jay retires but keep showing up in good condition and put on a good show. I mean, it's just once a year for most of these guys.