Author Topic: what if his name was not jay cuttler? (Read 7208 times)

whitewidow · « **on:** September 03, 2011, 10:28:14 PM »

say Jay cuttler didnt exist and somebody nobody had ever seen before that looked exactly like Jay to the T. Im talking an identical twin as far as look and top physique. Say this was his first show wich we all know is impossible but just think of it. would he even crack the top 10? is Jay just mr. Olympia because he is marketable and it is his turn supposively. would this look alike cuttler even place in the top 10-15? Im talking nobody has seen this guy before. would he really be that stunning to people who did not know his name? I think the top 3 would be totally diffrent. even if a guy who looked the same as jay had the exact same physique but was just a no name competed in the O he would not place top 10 but if he had the name jay cuttler he would be mr.O. sport is mainly politics.Is jay really that great??

G_Thang · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2011, 10:37:25 PM »

only white north american guy with brand name. maybe kluco and evan will do something the future.

if jay was black with his structure, he'd never beat phil or kai.

SF1900 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2011, 11:02:57 PM »

Quote from: whitewidow on September 03, 2011, 10:28:14 PM

say Jay cuttler didnt exist and somebody nobody had ever seen before that looked exactly like Jay to the T. Im talking an identical twin as far as look and top physique. Say this was his first show wich we all know is impossible but just think of it. would he even crack the top 10? is Jay just mr. Olympia because he is marketable and it is his turn supposively. would this look alike cuttler even place in the top 10-15? Im talking nobody has seen this guy before. would he really be that stunning to people who did not know his name? I think the top 3 would be totally diffrent. even if a guy who looked the same as jay had the exact same physique but was just a no name competed in the O he would not place top 10 but if he had the name jay cuttler he would be mr.O. sport is mainly politics.Is jay really that great??

NO!!

whitewidow · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2011, 11:32:46 PM »

So basically Jay is just marketable? whats so great about his physique? He is not super shredded like dexter. he has alot of size but that is it. I think it's just his turn after battling ronnie for years and is still competing.maybe that's the reason a rea bodybuilder should just flow,they shouldnt really have any rea outstanding bodyparts just great muscular proportions. Jay does match pretty well nothing is that much bigger than anything else he flows well. but he is just not that shredded like dexter. Dexter is the same way he flows real nice yet he is more shredded why is jay Mr.O?I personally don't think he deserves it and I like the dude.

pellius · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2011, 11:58:24 PM »

Jay offseason, with his pale skin andcomplete lack of vascularity, just looks like some huge powerlifter type. Smooth and bloofy like a testosterona/dianabola addict should look like. You wouldn't think of him as a world class competitive bodybuilder let alone number one in the world. No name amateurs walking around look more impressive. They may not be as big as Jay but because of those huge veins and network of little veins, the vascularity, you just stare them because it's so freaky. Jay, off season in clothes just looks huge and kind of fat.

But from maybe 6-8 wks out and on stage he does look unworldly. The guy is freakishly huge with cuts and separation on his quads that are unmatched on the O stage. YOu may not like his structure but onstage there is no doubt that is a world class body builder.

Here he makes Dex look like a child.

pellius · « **Reply #5 on:** September 04, 2011, 12:42:42 AM »

Ever see Jay's walk around conditioning anything remotely like this:

whitewidow · « **Reply #6 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:39:58 AM »

Quote from: pellius on September 04, 2011, 12:42:42 AM

Ever see Jay's walk around conditioning anything remotely like this:

No- and I think I dont see his abs either in the picture above. I just think dexter is more shredded and has a better waist line and v-taper. all around more striated. if you want to play the size game jay def wins. but if you compare the two guys midsection dex wins by far jays abs are blurry.

purenaturalstrength · « **Reply #7 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:48:42 AM »

Quote from: pellius on September 04, 2011, 12:42:42 AM

Ever see Jay's walk around conditioning anything remotely like this:

dennis james looks awesome

wide, massive, dense, vascular

pellius · « **Reply #8 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:50:36 AM »

Quote from: whitewidow on September 04, 2011, 02:39:58 AM

No- and I think I dont see his abs either in the picture above. I just think dexter is more shredded and has a better waist line and v-taper. all around more striated. if you want to play the size game jay def wins. but if you compare the two guys midsection dex wins by far jays abs are blurry.

Unfortunately the judges reward those who play the "size game." It's what brought insulin into the sport and what destroyed it.

If you compare quads and calves Jay wins by far. BTW, I prefer Dex's physique over Jay's.

Tito24 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:54:10 AM »

hes ok but far from a good bber. tons of better physiques. dennis james looks hundred better for instance, he just doesnt know how to dial in the right way for a show.

mr o suppose to be the nr 1 physique of the world, its a total joke offcourse he could ever be mr o. but maybe it suits the industry which is also one big joke, we cant take this whole thing serious.

purenaturalstrength · « **Reply #10 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:56:44 AM »

to me dexter jackson looks better than anybody else on stage most of the time

the other guys have more "mass" but it is hardly in the arms or legs

it's mostly "core mass"

Tito24 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:59:54 AM »

yes but dexter is a dwarf

pellius · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:04:16 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on September 04, 2011, 02:54:10 AM

hes ok but far from a good bber. tons of better physiques. dennis james looks hundred better for instance, he just doesnt know how to dial in the right way for a show.

I don't know. I hear that all the time. That he's far from a good bber. But by today's standards? I mean, he's won how many Olympia's now? He's one of the most successful bodybuilders of all time. Some don't like it but it seems that the majority do. Jay has a huge fan base. Chances are he will win again. We'll grumble. He'll put up another Sandow on his shelf. And the money will keep rolling in. At least, considering the sport, he comes across as a very good and decent guy and is a good face for the sport. Though it shouldn't matter I think it helps him a lot and hurts guys like Kai and Victor. Philsulina is his biggest threat. He's next after Jay decides to retire. The industry just likes him. He'll be getting the breaks next.

purenaturalstrength · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:13:03 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on September 04, 2011, 02:59:54 AM

yes but dexter is a dwarf

he's far from a dwarf, he's just short

this is a dwarf

Tito24 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:23:02 AM »

Quote from: purenaturalstrength on September 04, 2011, 03:13:03 AM

he's far from a dwarf, he's just short

this is a dwarf

hi dex

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:24:21 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on September 04, 2011, 03:23:02 AM

hi dex

Just beat me to it by a split second....

purenaturalstrength · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:26:06 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on September 04, 2011, 03:23:02 AM

hi dex

i only talk to female fans sorry

Parker · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:34:48 AM »

Quote from: whitewidow on September 03, 2011, 11:32:46 PM

So basically Jay is just marketable? whats so great about his physique? He is not super shredded like dexter. he has alot of size but that is it. I think it's just his turn after battling ronnie for years and is still competing.maybe that's the reason a rea bodybuilder should just flow,they shouldnt really have any rea outstanding bodyparts just great muscular proportions. Jay does match pretty well nothing is that much bigger than anything else he flows well. but he is just not that shredded like dexter. Dexter is the same way he flows real nice yet he is more shredded why is jay Mr.O?I personally don't think he deserves it and I like the dude.

Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.

DK II · « **Reply #18 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:44:50 AM »

Do i get something wrong or isn't his name "jay Cuttler" at all?

The Wizard of Truth · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2011, 07:46:47 AM »

Quote from: GangstaLean on September 04, 2011, 03:34:48 AM

Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.

Centopani I guess

JOHN MATRIX · « **Reply #20 on:** September 04, 2011, 07:48:30 AM »

what if his name was mustafa mohammed?

tendonitis · « **Reply #21 on:** September 04, 2011, 07:57:49 AM »

If the fridge was black and named Tyrone Jackson or European and named Herbert Powkalski he would have ZERO Olympia titles and ZERO Arnold titles..... ZERO
That's a FACT many here have been stating for years.
Could you imagine a black guy or European guy waddling out onto stage year after year with that giant 46 inch waist and complete lack of detail and separation, doing that stupid ear to the crowd pose and being awarded the biggest title in bodybuilding over and over. NEVER would happen.

Jay is the most overrated bodybuilder EVER. He has received more huge gifts than all other bodybuilders combined.

Tito24 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 04, 2011, 08:00:55 AM »

WillGrant · « **Reply #23 on:** September 04, 2011, 08:03:04 AM »

So Jay winning is because he is white

So why did Ronnie win it so many years in a row ? Did they think he was gona be the All American boy maybe next year so lets give it to him again ? haha more epic black paranoia

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #24 on:** September 04, 2011, 08:15:32 AM »

Quote from: GangstaLean on September 04, 2011, 03:34:48 AM

Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.

If you're eluding to Jay only winning as a marketing ploy on Weider's behalf it's failed miserably because just a sampling of bodybuilding boards Jay Cutler is NOT well liked or well received , most people on the boards think he sucks outright

Shawn Ray has done more Flex magazine covers than anyone and probably more covers than any pro sans Arnold and this is when their white champion's reign. Pumpster claimed Dorian was picked to be Olympia winner because he was white and marketable which was just the opposite , he was known as the Shadow for a reason

Jay wins the Olympia because he is among the biggest guys with acceptable conditioning it has nothing to do with white kids buying magazines and supplements because he has the personality of a fridge