No such thing as dying of "natural causes"

[Not Sure]

why dont they say such and such died of cancer or blockage of heart valve due to lack of fruit intake, they wont say died of cardiac arrest they just tell the masses such and such died of natural causes what a crock of shit this world is. when are people gonna wake up to the lies

why do we let the doctors/big pharma/government lie to us

No one cares.......why should they, there are more than enough stimulants to distract the eye.   I see with most people that after they get a glimpse of true reality, whatever the subject, the emotional response is subsided and they logically justify why no changes could-would-or should be made, as it would disrupt what they accept as life.

Why do we submit to an oppression known as a financial system?

[Primemuscle]

My we buried my grandmother a day before her 100th birthday. She's never had to be on any meds and only went to the doctors when she turned 98. She died of old age....it's natural.

A death like hers is natural. However, people don't just die of old age, no matter how old they are. Something gives out or stops working, usually their heart. IMO any death as a result of disease or ailment is natural. If someone murders you, you commit suicide  or die as a result of an accident, that is unnatural.

[Primemuscle]

why dont they say such and such died of cancer or blockage of heart valve due to lack of fruit intake, they wont say died of cardiac arrest they just tell the masses such and such died of natural causes what a crock of shit this world is. when are people gonna wake up to the lies

why do we let the doctors/big pharma/government lie to us

Could it be that you simply want more information (the details) when you read or hear about someone dying? This is a form of morbid curiosity, which most of us express; we want to know how someone else died so we can somehow insure we won't die like they did. I sometimes read the obituaries in the paper. It is annoying when they don't report exactly how a person died. This is specially true when the person is my age or younger.

[dr.chimps]

You can't establish significance, statistical or ecological, from a single number, "dr" chimps.  Don't lecture me on this shit.

Uh, you were the one who said 'The Canada-US [difference in life] expectancy is 2.5 years (80.7 vs 78.3).' Was I supposed to infer you were talking about one Canadian and one American!?  Oh brother.    

[CalvinH]

Uh, you were the one who said 'The Canada-US [difference in life] expectancy is 2.5 years (80.7 vs 78.3).' Was I supposed to infer you were talking about one Canadian and one American!?  Oh brother.    

All the shit I've done and put in my body{no homo}and it would be pretty amazing if I died from natural causes....

[Mr Nobody]

A statistician, or actuarialist would see a 2.5 year difference as 'significant.'  

Are you saying we need a individual such as Charles Babbage make the determination?

[Samourai Pizzacat]

You can't establish significance, statistical or ecological, from a single number, "dr" chimps.  Don't lecture me on this shit.

All right, a confidence interval would help, but since the populations of both countries are in the many millions it's perfectly safe to say it is a significant statistic.

[Primemuscle]

All right, a confidence interval would help, but since the populations of both countries are in the many millions it's perfectly safe to say it is a significant statistic.

Isn't it amusing how these threads get side-tracked by these kinds of nuances coming out of some posters personal perspective and gripes?

[Hulkotron]

All right, a confidence interval would help, but since the populations of both countries are in the many millions it's perfectly safe to say it is a significant statistic.

No, it isn't.  The entire populations of the USA and Canada aren't dead at the moment, so those aren't relevant numbers for this problem (nor are these lifespan data drawn from every single person who dies in a country; they are drawn from much smaller samples).  Even more importantly, lifespan data are not normally distributed, which renders things like "mean" and "standard deviation" conceptually meaningless and makes "significance" a very complicated problem. 

A statistician with any degree of competence would not look at the average lifespans of USA and Canada and say "yep that's significant, Canadians live longer" because he/she would understand these issues and would realize it's a much more complicated problem than looking at a colored graph.  That's all my point is.  Most people would not consider living two years longer when you're in the late-70s range to be meaningful.  It could or could not be "significant", I don't know, but you can't simply glean this from looking at a number and making a post on getbig.com.

[Mr Nobody]

seriously though i feel sorry for native africans i doubt they are anything like the african americans

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Cancer can only grow when its feed carbs/sugar etc. Eliminate that and you will never get cancer.

[Primemuscle]

Most people would not consider living two years longer when you're in the late-70s range to be meaningful. 

Although my late seventies is still a decade away, I can say that the older one gets, the more precious life feels. Wait until your contemporaries start dropping off from one illness or another, it really brings one's mortality home. Every day we wake up alive seems meaningful. Living another two and a half years when you in your late seventies is like a miracle. I will admit that when I was twenty something, I didn't give any thought to living to be almost eighty years old. This begs the question, how old are you that you can be so cavalier about others life spans?

[Hulkotron]

Although my late seventies is still a decade away, I can say that the older one gets, the more precious life feels. Wait until your contemporaries start dropping off from one illness or another, it really brings one's mortality home. Every day we wake up alive seems meaningful. Living another two and a half years when you in your late seventies is like a miracle. I will admit that when I was twenty something, I didn't give any thought to living to be almost eighty years old. This begs the question, how old are you that you can be so cavalier about others life spans?

I'm talking about statistics which you seem to know nothing about (hence why you are drawing statements out of context and trying to set up straw men), not your personal experiences and rose-colored glasses.  Give it a rest.

[Primemuscle]

I'm talking about statistics which you seem to know nothing about (hence why you are drawing statements out of context and trying to set up straw men), not your personal experiences and rose-colored glasses.  Give it a rest.

It isn't clear why you are being so rude to me here. I merely replied to your statement suggesting that most people in their late seventies do not find an extra couple of years of life meaningful. What better way to explain that you are most likely wrong about this, then to give a personal example.

Furthermore, it was you who posted the world map which displayed life expectancy by country. In a later post, you acknowledged that Africa is a third world shit hole (I believe that's the words you used).

It's pretty clear why most folks who live in Africa don't live long. What is not so simple to determine is why some folks living in some developed countries live longer than folks living in other developed countries. Hence, my asking the question about Canada verses the U.S.

And again, how old are you?

[the trainer]

why dont they say such and such died of cancer or blockage of heart valve due to lack of fruit intake, they wont say died of cardiac arrest they just tell the masses such and such died of natural causes what a crock of shit this world is. when are people gonna wake up to the lies

why do we let the doctors/big pharma/government lie to us

You are 100% correct, we are slowing killing ourselves living in polluted cities and eating processed food.Does the average getbigger realize that everytime he eats he is most likely committing suicide.

[Primemuscle]

You are 100% correct, we are slowing killing ourselves living in polluted cities and eating processed food.Does the average getbigger realize that everytime he eats he is most likely committing suicide.

While you may be right, it is interesting that we most folks are living longer than anytime in history. However, I do believe the issue of obesity has reversed this somewhat in recent years. The average life span has more than doubled since the 1600s.

During the early 1600s in England, life expectancy was only about 35 years, largely because two-thirds of all children died before the age of four. The average life expectancy in Colonial America was under 25 years in the Virginia colony, and in New England about 40% of children failed to reach adulthood. During the Industrial Revolution, the life expectancy of children increased dramatically. The percentage of children born in London who died before the age of five decreased from 74.5% in 1730-1749 to 31.8% in 1810-1829.