My before and after pics

[OptimusPrime1980]

are you sure about this?

indeed bro.....
one word.... trenbolone....

it is used to beef up livestock.. to have them gain more LEAN MASS and have them burn FAT at the SAME time...
that way farmers double their profit.... less fat + more lean mass = PRIME BEEF!!!
and the same result will be seen in humans...

all this bulking talk.... just an excuse to get fat....
sure you do not have to be 5% all the time, that way growing will be compromised... but around 9/10% is perfect and lean....
no need to go higher in bodyfat%

[Cleanest Natural]

The same reason people like to get high on a joint or two on the weekend.

The same reason people like to take esctacy and dance at raves all night.

The same reason people like to smoke mushrooms and relegate in unknown.

 

true .. it's a high .. and I stopped as I am against drug use..

[King Shizzo]

Exactly, i think he proved what he set out to prove, i think he should keep going too

That was exactly my point.  Why not keep it going for a little longer, say 6 months or so.

[randy841]

I ate anything and MAYBE 100 g of protein daily on average .. diet is irrelevant and so is training ... drugs are EVERYTHING.

This statement sums up perfectly GH15's ideological criticism and rhetoric of the bodybuilding cults dominant ideology, that you need to train & diet a certain way, when in fact it is all about the drugs. 'Without the drugs, there is no bodybuilding'.

Harsh, but truth.

[OptimusPrime1980]

This ^^^

On 2nd cycle - so still learning through trial and error. However, you don't lose it all post cycle. The water weight will go and about 20% of the strength. The rest will stick around as long as you maintain the diet and training.

On the other hand, if you start cutting right after completing a cycle say good bye to most of the gains and strength. Stay on cycle and cut at the end for 4-8 weeks.

Most want 2 for 1 deals. They want to cut and bulk at same. Can't have it both ways.

take it from me....
i have cycled more then you.. also had my times were i went off.. due to circumstances.....you WILL lose all!!
as the Great Dan Duchaine said.... you do not buy a body , you lease it....
it's an illusion... not real....
it may take a while, but ALL the mass you built with steroids WILL be gone ... even if you work out.... you will get to your natural base again. PERIOD!

[bigmc]

nice to see another thread that has turned into a circle jerk

[hench]

thought you looked familiar 
Good transformation, do you prefer how you look naturally or on the gear?

any white dude who shaves his head looks like me ..

[Cleanest Natural]

thought you looked familiar 
Good transformation, do you prefer how you look naturally or on the gear?

I prefer a natural lean of 8-9% at 180-185 lbs at 5'11" .. my body is a temple for my mind. I do not like taking huge dumps in the temple 

[apply85]

groinks problem isn stupidty or lack of money, it's that he's a perfect example of an alpha male

always second in command, always being looked after by someone else