Does higher intensity and pain lead to more muscle?

[heenok]

John Meadows said he saw the best progress when he stopped being sore all the time. He has never been sore in years and is growing like a weed, training 7 days a week.
I actually noticed i wasnt getting sore anymore during my first test E cycle. Each week i was getting stronger and stronger, because i actually recovered 100% from the previous workout. If you are broken down and sore all the time you just cant recover and make constant progress over time. You have to be smart and alternate intense traumatizing sessions with more pump oriented stuff to make the most of your training imo.

[TheShape.]

No pain no gain.

[hench]

I train tuesday to sat with my new routine. My muscles are sore when I flex them, no tendon or joint pain. After laying off Sun and Mon I'm fully recovered and craving that muscle stimulation again, I've never felt so positive before. These quick routines of high intensity with as of as many sets I can fit in the time limit of 5 mins is giving me noticeable results. I never realised I could bang out a decent amount of reps again after 5 seconds rest, I've always gone with the norm of resting 30 secs or more, my cardio is improving this way too!

[oldtimer1]

If intensity was the magic bullet we would all get the best gains from doing something like 4 sets of 1 rep for every exercise.  That would be as intense as it gets.

Even though I train with a form of HIT I completely get the majority of successful bodybuilders train with volume. No it isn't easy training. Saying it's easy would be like a 400 meter sprinter saying to a 10K runner your training isn't intense and therefore it's easy.

I really believes a muscle gets bigger through for lack of a better term muscular endurance that's not to be confused with aerobic exercise. If a guy does something like 4 x 10 or 5 x 12 he is training in that direction. As long a he throws some heavy days in it's perfect.

The way someone doing say 5x12 training would go is like this. First set he stops at 12 reps but could have gotten around 17. Second he stops at 12 but could have gotten maybe 15. Third set stops at 12 but could have gotten 13. Forth set fails at 12. Fifth he fails at 10.  Next training session he tries for all 12 rep sets. When that is accomplished add a little weight. Of course there are lot of other parameters like strictness of the reps, range of motion and tempo. Other things like the amount of rest in between sets. Training with volume can be incredibly brutal. That's why Arnold got so pissed off when Mentzer said his training was easy.

When you train with volume you are hitting all the fibers hard. When you do one set of 10 to failure  you are not. If a HIT guy gets some rest between sets you could almost duplicate that one set of 10 with say a set of 9 or 8 reps. (This is where a HIT religious fanatic will talk about hitting a stick of dynamite with a hammer and recuperation)

The majority of bodybuilders have used volume. Even the super strong ones like Franco, Coleman, and Eddie Robinson. Hit can lead to quick burn so that's why it's followers have all gone to training once every 4 or 5 days. Give me a break.

The true meaning of intensity to me suggests a tool and not a training protocol. Train hard and have a work ethic.

[Donny]

you know what when i train with 5x5 i do get stronger but when i go back to a split with some volume i feel it.  The overall stimulation is much more powerful. much more muscle fibres as Rich wrote are recruited. Good old fashioned pyramid training is good.. Depends on the Individual.

[Thong Maniac]

If intensity was the magic bullet we would all get the best gains from doing something like 4 sets of 1 rep for every exercise.  That would be as intense as it gets.

Even though I train with a form of HIT I completely get the majority of successful bodybuilders train with volume. No it isn't easy training. Saying it's easy would be like a 400 meter sprinter saying to a 10K runner your training isn't intense and therefore it's easy.

I really believes a muscle gets bigger through for lack of a better term muscular endurance that's not to be confused with aerobic exercise. If a guy does something like 4 x 10 or 5 x 12 he is training in that direction. As long a he throws some heavy days in it's perfect.

The way someone doing say 5x12 training would go is like this. First set he stops at 12 reps but could have gotten around 17. Second he stops at 12 but could have gotten maybe 15. Third set stops at 12 but could have gotten 13. Forth set fails at 12. Fifth he fails at 10.  Next training session he tries for all 12 rep sets. When that is accomplished add a little weight. Of course there are lot of other parameters like strictness of the reps, range of motion and tempo. Other things like the amount of rest in between sets. Training with volume can be incredibly brutal. That's why Arnold got so pissed off when Mentzer said his training was easy.

When you train with volume you are hitting all the fibers hard. When you do one set of 10 to failure  you are not. If a HIT guy gets some rest between sets you could almost duplicate that one set of 10 with say a set of 9 or 8 reps. (This is where a HIT religious fanatic will talk about hitting a stick of dynamite with a hammer and recuperation)

The majority of bodybuilders have used volume. Even the super strong ones like Franco, Coleman, and Eddie Robinson. Hit can lead to quick burn so that's why it's followers have all gone to training once every 4 or 5 days. Give me a break.

The true meaning of intensity to me suggests a tool and not a training protocol. Train hard and have a work ethic.

That assessment of 12 reps is interesting and I will try that. Because when It seems when i follow the similar split of trying to do 4 of 12 with the same weight, failing on each set, i never get stronger.

Lately ive been doing full body work outs 3 times a week, 4-8 sets per BP. Im a volume guy, so im hitting each BP 3 times a week. However, for pure hypertrophy/roundness of muscles, this style training is NOT cutting it. I look much less "bodybuilder-esq" on this split. When i do a gironda style 8x8, i get that 3D hypertrophy effect

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[Donny]

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[Thong Maniac]

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[Hulkotron]

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[oldtimer1]

That assessment of 12 reps is interesting and I will try that. Because when It seems when i follow the similar split of trying to do 4 of 12 with the same weight, failing on each set, i never get stronger.

Lately ive been doing full body work outs 3 times a week, 4-8 sets per BP. Im a volume guy, so im hitting each BP 3 times a week. However, for pure hypertrophy/roundness of muscles, this style training is NOT cutting it. I look much less "bodybuilder-esq" on this split. When i do a gironda style 8x8, i get that 3D hypertrophy effect

Confused by what you wrote. If your definition of getting stronger is your one rep max doing multiple sets of 12 isn't right or optimal path to get you there. Improving the weight used with multiple sets of  8 to 12 will improve your muscular endurance that is a very important component of muscle growth. I don't understand what you wrote concerning you go to failure for  4 sets of 12. If you truly went to failure on your first set of 12 you wouldn't be able to get a second set of 12 reps let alone a third and a 4th.   

[Thong Maniac]

Confused by what you wrote. If your definition of getting stronger is your one rep max doing multiple sets of 12 isn't right or optimal path to get you there. Improving the weight used with multiple sets of  8 to 12 will improve your muscular endurance that is a very important component of muscle growth. I don't understand what you wrote concerning you go to failure for  4 sets of 12. If you truly went to failure on your first set of 12 you wouldn't be able to get a second set of 12 reps let alone a third and a 4th.   

Right, i was agreeing with you. Im gonna try your approach of not going to failure on the first few sets