Nautilus Pullover?

[pellius]

The front of the lats can be hit with both dumbbell and barbbell pullover. But a good pullover machine stimulates the growth even better i think.

The resistance is only in the stretched position when doing pullovers with db/bb. There is no resistance on the lat in the contracted position. In fact, you don't even get the lats in a contracted position.

As you stretch back with a db the lat takes the full resistance as free weights only apply force in an  up and down position. As you start raising your arms your triceps and chest starts to support the load in an isometric fashion. In the finished position, your arms are in front of your chest and you are supporting the weight with your pecs, front delt and triceps -- like the beginning of a bench press.

Not only is their no resistance on the lat in that "finished" position but you still have another 90% range of motion for your lats. Full range defined here is elbows/upper arm starting behind your eyes and moving forward in a rotary motion ending the elbow/upper arm slightly behind your hips.

In one of Jays videos where he is training chest he includes db pullovers for chest. The chest muscles
start supporting the weight right about when you arms start passing your forehead.

[pellius]

Dorian always grabbed the bar.

Im not a short guy, but using hammer strength andbcybex machines i can never get my elbows on the pads and reach the bar to grab it... Always just enough so my fingertips touch the bar:

It's not about grabbing the bar per se but driving back with your elbows. Having the resistance on the elbow/upper arm. Imagine if you cut off your forearms at the elbows. Obviously, your biceps and triceps, even though still there, would be useless as it would not have a joint to bend and straighten. But your pecs and back will still be used as they would move your upper arms across your body and towards the back. What part of your back you use depends on the angle of your upper arms. Rear delt/upper back when your arms are parallel to the ground and your lats with your upper arms pointing toward the ground and pointing to the sky.

If only your finger tips can touch the bar then you are forced to drive with your elbows so you are forced to use the pullover correctly.

I would do the pullover just like Dorian did except I wouldn't grab the bar and the back of my knuckles would barely be resting on the bar so it was pure elbow/upper arm driving back.

[oldtimer1]

The reason that machine isn't very popular is because about 85% of the people do it wrong and get nothing out of it. They pull with their hands instead of drive back with their elbows. Look at Mentzer's hands. It's open and relaxed and just resting on the bar. All the force is driving back with his elbows/upper arms -- exactly what the lats do.

I wouldn't even touch the bar when doing the pullover. Just position my elbows on the pads and have my hands free and in the position it would be if I was doing close grip pull downs (palms up). But that was over ten years ago. Can't find a gym that has a pullover in my area.

Exactly.

[the-joker]

I got great results from the Nautilus pullover machine. really pumped my lats to the max.

[bigmc]

I got great results from the Nautilus pullover machine. really pumped my lats to the max.

yes you look jacked

[falco]

läl

[SilverSpoon]

Dorian always grabbed the bar.

Im not a short guy, but using hammer strength andbcybex machines i can never get my elbows on the pads and reach the bar to grab it... Always just enough so my fingertips touch the bar:

Dorian grabbed the bar in an underhand manner, very gently.

He told me this on the phone circa 1999 or so.

[polychronopolous]

Nautilus inventor Author Jones, called this pullover "the upper body squat".
I actually visited his "Training Center" in Deland, Florida, ( circa 1980).
I was with 2 other Marines and we were  put thru a full body Nautilus workout, by Dr Elington Darden.

It was similar to the routine used on Casey Viator in the now infamous " Colorado experiment".
It was BRUTAL and only lasted 25-30 min.
It would have been even briefer, but we kept laying down after really hard sets LOL

Darden insured we kept the wt moving slow and didn't allow for any momentum to creep in.
He was a crusty Texan , that would  make a good drill instructor on Parris Island MCRD 

Author of one of the all time classics.

[JimmyJam1974]

Author of one of the all time classics.

Whole milk of peace

[ARNIE1947]

 

[Fred Zeppelin]

Author of one of the all time classics.

That is Keith Whitley on the cover. He was monstrously huge and dense. Possibly one of the biggest bodybuilders ever. He taught History at the High School level. Sadly, Keith is no longer with us.

[Fred Zeppelin]

[funk51]

Nautilus inventor Author Jones, called this pullover "the upper body squat".
I actually visited his "Training Center" in Deland, Florida, ( circa 1980).
I was with 2 other Marines and we were  put thru a full body Nautilus workout, by Dr Elington Darden.

It was similar to the routine used on Casey Viator in the now infamous " Colorado experiment".
It was BRUTAL and only lasted 25-30 min.
It would have been even briefer, but we kept laying down after really hard sets LOL

Darden insured we kept the wt moving slow and didn't allow for any momentum to creep in.
He was a crusty Texan , that would  make a good drill instructor on Parris Island MCRD 
what does casey v and newman have in common?   seinfeld fans should know...

[HonestBob]

I have about 20 of the earlier Nautilus pieces, the pullover, either plate loaded or selectorised, is by far the best machine pullover ever made.

The best way for most men to use the machine is to tie a pair of straps around the handle and then grip them with your hands at the most comfortable spot for your own biomechanics.

[VladimirVersic]

There is no front of the lat. There's only 1 "lat", & and its function is to pull the upper arm sown while in front of the body. All the pullover does is eliminate the musclesnin the arms from assisting (aside from slight involvement of the triceps, in which the long head crosses the shoulder joint and attaches at the scapula) and serratus, which pullsntje scapula forward, opposite of the rhomboids, which pull the scapula back.

Pullovers whether machine, db, bb, or straight arm pulldowns with a cable, and pullups/machine pull does with the arms/elbows in front of the body, all target the lats.

Movements like a chinup or pull down with themselves out to the sides target more of the teres muscles of the upper back, & less of the lat.

Rowing movements tend to target move of the rhomboids, with greater arm involvement.

I know there is only one lat sir. I never said there is front and back lat. Only was using the front lat analogy to explain i was getting more development there.
I was speaking from my own experience and seeing from my own results from that particular exercise like i said before. And i got most width in the lats from chin ups and pulldowns.
I know for a fact some people got more width from rowing movements.

[ESFitness]

The front of your lat is sore and grows because your Lat is sore. The "width" you get from chins or pulldowns isn't from your lat, its from your teres muscles. The muscle under your armpit is not your lat. Its the teres muscles. The lats are below the teres.  Rarely are peoples lats wider than their teres.. Look at David henry, his lats vs teres are very distinct. Dorians lats were very via able from the front because he had smallish biceps. Orville Burke had very thick and wide teres and shorter and not as developed lats. The way Dorian did his 1arm db rows and bb rows moved the elbow at a bit of an arc to bring the lat into play more than a conventional movt that get a more rhomboid involvement.. Regardless, the rhomboids are still the prime movers.


There is only 1 lat.. Not like a biceps where you have a long and short head, lats are1 piece
.if they grow, they'll look larger from the front side and rear as the fibers run inn1 direction and  contract and pull 1 way. Any width you get from wide grip pulldowns when the elbows are not in front of the body is not from the lats growing, its from the teres.

Its not a unique thing. Its kinesiology/anatomy/physiology and its the same for everybody... Unless somebody is born with no teres or infrspinatis and the lats tie in to the humurus bone or some deformity

[Henda]

The front of your lat is sore and grows because your Lat is sore. The "width" you get from chins or pulldowns isn't from your lat, its from your teres muscles.The muscle under your armpit is not your lat. Its the teres muscles. The lats are below the teres. Rarely are peoples lats wider than their teres.. Look at David henry, his lats vs teres are very distinct. Dorians lats were very via able from the front because he had smallish biceps. Orville Burke had very thick and wide teres and shorter and not as developed lats. The way Dorian did his 1arm db rows and bb rows moved the elbow at a bit of an arc to bring the lat into play more than a conventional movt that get a more rhomboid involvement.. Regardless, the rhomboids are still the prime movers.


There is only 1 lat.. Not like a biceps where you have a long and short head, lats are1 piece
.if they grow, they'll look larger from the front side and rear as the fibers run inn1 direction and  contract and pull 1 way. Any width you get from wide grip pulldowns when the elbows are not in front of the body is not from the lats growing, its from the teres.

Its not a unique thing. Its kinesiology/anatomy/physiology and its the same for everybody... Unless somebody is born with no teres or infrspinatis and the lats tie in to the humurus bone or some deformity

Reading this actually caused me to go and look and was really surprised to see this is actually the case (not doubting your knowledge just had to see for myself), in my case the last looks fucking tiny and underdeveloped compared to what I thought was the lat. guess it's time to focus on close parallel grip pulldowns for a while.
Great bit of info thanks for sharing