Hillary Refuses to Acknowledge Second Amendment Right to Own a Gun

[tonymctones]

I'm not ok with that at all...but the free speech guarantee in the constitution is clear....owning killing machines is not for the sake of having the right to bear arms is not

Haha so you agree the reason he shot people is that he was radicalized over the Internet and you think the solution is to remove guns and not the thing that radicalized him?

By the way the Supreme Court has made it crystal clear, individuals have a right to own guns.

[tonymctones]

I'm not ok with that at all...but the free speech guarantee in the constitution is clear....owning killing machines is not for the sake of having the right to bear arms is not

Plenty of restrictions have been placed on the first amendment, why are you against prohibiting speech that radicalizes people?

[240 is Back]

people on the no-fly and terror-watch list can currently walk into a gun store and order a case of AR-15s.

Think about that.   Dems, obama, trump all agree with it.    NRA and Senate Repubs are against it.

[Straw Man]

The difference is whether it applies to an individual on a member of a militia straw.

If she didn't distinguish between the two and saw no difference the. Why would she begin her caveat with an "if"?

where in that video did she mention being a member of a militia as a requirement for gun ownership?

[tonymctones]

where in that video did she mention being a member of a militia as a requirement for gun ownership?

That was the question straw, why would she not agree that it's an individual right straw?

Why would she use the term "if" assuming she saw no difference

[tonymctones]

people on the no-fly and terror-watch list can currently walk into a gun store and order a case of AR-15s.

Think about that.   Dems, obama, trump all agree with it.    NRA and Senate Repubs are against it.

You know who else is against it? The constitution!!!

YOU CANNOT STRIP AWAY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WITHOUY DUE PROCESS!!!!

It's that easy, make hate speech illegal.

I mean you're plenty ok with infringing on the second amendment why not the first?

[Straw Man]

That was the question straw, why would she not agree that it's an individual right straw?

Why would she use the term "if" assuming she saw no difference

when did she not agree ?

I understand your hangup with the word "if"

I've already said I don't like the way she and other politicians parse their words but I see nothing in that clip that leads me to believe she doesn't believe in the second amendment or that it only applies to members of a militia (has that ever been a requirement in the history of this country)

You're free to your own interpretation.   I just don't agree with it.

[tonymctones]

when did she not agree ?

I understand your hangup with the word "if"

I've already said I don't like the way she and other politicians parse their words but I see nothing in that clip that leads me to believe she doesn't believe in the second amendment or that it only applies to members of a militia (has that ever been a requirement in the history of this country)

You're free to your own interpretation.   I just don't agree with it.

She did not affirm that is an individual right straw, she side stepped the question and the gave a caveat with an "if"

I don't think there is much interpreting there but that's fine.

I agree with you, I don't like politics speak either. Bernie is a much better person than Hillary and trump

[Kazan]

you can't think of any ideas on why someone would want that?

I can think of a few

let's start with the argument that the Cliven Bundy types will give you that they need to protect themselves against a tyrannical government or the more common argument that they need it for self defense against criminals

Yes of course, when someone breaks into your house jump into your Apache and fire a missile into your house, makes perfect sense 

[andreisdaman]

Why not? If you can afford and maintain it. why anyone would want such things, I have no idea

your lunacy just did you in....thanks

[Kazan]

your lunacy just did you in....thanks

My lunacy? Read the constitution, what does it say? The right to bear arms shall not be infringed - some part of that you don't understand?

[Straw Man]

Yes of course, when someone breaks into your house jump into your Apache and fire a missile into your house, makes perfect sense 

The Apache helicopter is needed for the individual to protect himself from a tyrannical government but If I understand you correctly the individual doesn't even need that reason.

He should be able to have whatever he is able to afford

[240 is Back]

Liberal trump is meeting with Nra today. 
He's going to try to talk to them, convince them to give up their due process requirement. 

No way they'll give up such an essential right- ban guns without due process- but now repubs have to agree with Obama and trump, of stand by their beliefs. 

Trump making it harder each day