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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2016, 03:32:34 AM »
Okay, you better email all those neuroscientists and tell them they have it all wrong and pick up your Nobel Prize lol
which neuroscientists are you speaking of  ??? and what which discoveries where they rewarded for?

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2016, 03:35:53 AM »
which neuroscientists are you speaking of  ??? and what which discoveries where they rewarded for?

There is overwhelming evidence about the influence of culture on brain development. But you can email those professors and tell them that all their studies are wrong lol
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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2016, 03:36:05 AM »
No it wouldn't.  There is nothing magical about a "father figure".  Their culture to start with is the problem.  "Father Figure" is just another excuse of many.

 It would certainly help. The breakdown of the traditional family unit has been one of the most detrimental things to have happened to the country.

 Hooray for Feminism.

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2016, 03:42:34 AM »
There is overwhelming evidence about the influence of culture on brain development. But you can email those professors and tell them that all their studies are wrong lol
there is none evidence of such thing.

on the contrary there has been studies showing that adopted children inherit the IQ closer to that of that of their real parents, rather than the adopters.

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2016, 03:46:55 AM »
there is none evidence of such thing.

on the contrary there has been studies showing that adopted children inherit the IQ closer to that of that of their real parents, rather than the adopters.

Serious question:

Are you trolling? I mean, I only ask because I didn't know someone can be this naive.  ??? ??? I mean, it would make perfect sense if you are trolling.
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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2016, 03:47:43 AM »
There is overwhelming evidence about the influence of culture on brain development. But you can email those professors and tell them that all their studies are wrong lol

What is the prerequisite to culture? It is not separate from human behavior, it is not merely metaphysical, it is the literal, physical culmination of diverse human behavior itself. It comes about specifically because of diversity in evolutionary terms.

As my grandfather used to say, you can put some folk in Buckingham Palace with all the help they would need and they'd still make it a shithole within a few days.

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2016, 03:50:13 AM »
If all the blacks disappeared in an instant, the entire world would improve. Africa had a head start and the best technology they developed was a stick.
but it was a good stick...just not good enuff!

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2016, 03:52:30 AM »
Serious question:

Are you trolling? I mean, I only ask because I didn't know someone can be this naive.  ??? ??? I mean, it would make perfect sense if you are trolling.
No, not trolling.

Intelligence is largely genetically inherited. Numerous studies shows.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/more-proof-that-intelligence-is-85134

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« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2016, 04:01:48 AM »
No, not trolling.

Intelligence is largely genetically inherited. Numerous studies shows.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/more-proof-that-intelligence-is-85134

Are you sure you're not trolling?  ??? ??? And now youre moving the goal posts. Now youre saying intelligence is LARGELY inherited. In a previous post, you basically said that culture didn't matter at all, and it was ALL genetic. But, now youre saying its LARGELY genetic, implying that their may be room for other factors.  Of course intelligence is very much genetic, but IT is mitigated by environmental factors.

Yes, and numerous studies also show a culture/environment of trauma affects children's brains. So, clearly, culture/environment is going to have some influence on IQ. There are articles that show the relationship between environment/culture and IQ development between children who have experienced trauma and those who have not. But, yes, you are correct, culture and/or environment means absolutely nothing lol.

Hippocampus: Adults who were maltreated may have reduced volume in the hippocampus, which is central to learning and memory (McCrory, De Brito, &
Viding, 2010; Wilson, Hansen, & Li, 2011). Toxic stress also can reduce the hippocampus’s capacity to bring cortisol levels back to normal after a stressful event has occurred (Shonkoff, 2012).

Corpus callosum: Maltreated children and adolescents tend to have decreased volume in the corpus callosum, which is the largest white matter
structure in the brain and is responsible for interhemispheric communication and other processes (e.g., arousal, emotion, higher cognitive abilities) (McCrory,
De Brito, & Viding, 2010; Wilson, Hansen, & Li, 2011).

Cerebellum: Maltreated children and adolescents tend to have decreased volume in the cerebellum, which helps coordinate motor behavior and executive
functioning (McCrory, De Brito, & Viding, 2010).

Prefrontal cortex: Some studies on adolescents and adults who were severely neglected as children indicate they have a smaller prefrontal cortex, which is
critical to behavior, cognition, and emotion regulation (National Scientific Council on the Developing Child, 2012), but other studies show no differences (McCrory, De Brito, & Viding, 2010). Physically abused children also may have reduced volume in the orbitofrontal cortex, a part of the prefrontal cortex that is central to emotion and social regulation (Hanson et al., 2010).

Other: Children who experienced severe neglect early in life while in institutional settings often have decreased electrical activity in their brains, decreased
brain metabolism, and poorer connections between areas of the brain that are key to integrating complex information (National Scientific Council on the
Developing Child, 2012). These children also may continue to have abnormal patterns of adrenaline activity years after being adopted from institutional
settings. Additionally, malnutrition, a form of neglect, can impair both brain development (e.g., slowing the growth of neurons, axons, and synapses) and function (e.g., neurotransmitter syntheses, the maintenance of brain tissue) (Prado & Dewey, 2012).

Leading expert in the field:

THE EFFECTS OF EARLY RELATIONAL TRAUMA ON RIGHT BRAIN DEVELOPMENT, AFFECT REGULATION, AND INFANT MENTAL HEALTH

ABSTRACT: A primary interest of the field of infant mental health is in the early conditions that place
infants at riskfor less than optimal development. The fundamental problem of what constitutes normal
and abnormal development is now a focus of developmental psychology, infant psychiatry, and developmental
neuroscience. In the second part of this sequential work, I present interdisciplinary data to more
deeply forge the theoretical links between severe attachment failures, impairments of the early development
of the right brain’s stress coping systems, and maladaptive infant mental health. In the following,
I offer thoughts on the negative impact of traumatic attachments on brain development and infant mental
health, the neurobiology of infant trauma, the neuropsychology of a disorganized/disoriented attachment
pattern associated with abuse and neglect, trauma-induced impairments of a regulatory system in the
orbitofrontal cortex, the links between orbitofrontal dysfunction and a predisposition to posttraumatic
stress disorders, the neurobiology of the dissociative defense, the etiology of dissociation and body–mind
psychopathology, the effects of early relational trauma on enduring right hemispheric function, and some
implications for models of early intervention. These findings suggest direct connections between traumatic
attachment, inefficient right brain regulatory functions, and both maladaptive infant and adult mental
health.
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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2016, 04:06:13 AM »
Are you sure you're not trolling?  ??? ???

Yes, and numerous studies also show a culture/environment of trauma affects children's brains. So, clearly, culture/environment is going to have some influence on IQ. There are articles that show the relationship between environment/culture and IQ development between children who have experienced trauma and those who have not. But, yes, you are correct, culture and/or environment means absolutely nothing lol.

Hippocampus: Adults who were maltreated may have reduced volume in the hippocampus, which is central to learning and memory (McCrory, De Brito, &
Viding, 2010; Wilson, Hansen, & Li, 2011). Toxic stress also can reduce the hippocampus’s capacity to bring cortisol levels back to normal after a stressful event has occurred (Shonkoff, 2012).

Corpus callosum: Maltreated children and adolescents tend to have decreased volume in the corpus callosum, which is the largest white matter
structure in the brain and is responsible for interhemispheric communication and other processes (e.g., arousal, emotion, higher cognitive abilities) (McCrory,
De Brito, & Viding, 2010; Wilson, Hansen, & Li, 2011).

Cerebellum: Maltreated children and adolescents tend to have decreased volume in the cerebellum, which helps coordinate motor behavior and executive
functioning (McCrory, De Brito, & Viding, 2010).

Prefrontal cortex: Some studies on adolescents and adults who were severely neglected as children indicate they have a smaller prefrontal cortex, which is
critical to behavior, cognition, and emotion regulation (National Scientific Council on the Developing Child, 2012), but other studies show no differences (McCrory, De Brito, & Viding, 2010). Physically abused children also may have reduced volume in the orbitofrontal cortex, a part of the prefrontal cortex that is central to emotion and social regulation (Hanson et al., 2010).

Other: Children who experienced severe neglect early in life while in institutional settings often have decreased electrical activity in their brains, decreased
brain metabolism, and poorer connections between areas of the brain that are key to integrating complex information (National Scientific Council on the
Developing Child, 2012). These children also may continue to have abnormal patterns of adrenaline activity years after being adopted from institutional
settings. Additionally, malnutrition, a form of neglect, can impair both brain development (e.g., slowing the growth of neurons, axons, and synapses) and function (e.g., neurotransmitter syntheses, the maintenance of brain tissue) (Prado & Dewey, 2012).

Leading expert in the field:

THE EFFECTS OF EARLY RELATIONAL TRAUMA ON RIGHT BRAIN DEVELOPMENT, AFFECT REGULATION, AND INFANT MENTAL HEALTH

ABSTRACT: A primary interest of the field of infant mental health is in the early conditions that place
infants at riskfor less than optimal development. The fundamental problem of what constitutes normal
and abnormal development is now a focus of developmental psychology, infant psychiatry, and developmental
neuroscience. In the second part of this sequential work, I present interdisciplinary data to more
deeply forge the theoretical links between severe attachment failures, impairments of the early development
of the right brain’s stress coping systems, and maladaptive infant mental health. In the following,
I offer thoughts on the negative impact of traumatic attachments on brain development and infant mental
health, the neurobiology of infant trauma, the neuropsychology of a disorganized/disoriented attachment
pattern associated with abuse and neglect, trauma-induced impairments of a regulatory system in the
orbitofrontal cortex, the links between orbitofrontal dysfunction and a predisposition to posttraumatic
stress disorders, the neurobiology of the dissociative defense, the etiology of dissociation and body–mind
psychopathology, the effects of early relational trauma on enduring right hemispheric function, and some
implications for models of early intervention. These findings suggest direct connections between traumatic
attachment, inefficient right brain regulatory functions, and both maladaptive infant and adult mental
health.

There are several studies(or so called studies) on both sides. You can choose to believe in scientific studies or politically influenced garbage.

But you can also look at reality. Minority dominated areas(with exeption of asians) always has a low living standard.

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2016, 04:10:53 AM »
There are several studies on both sides. You can choose to believe in scientific studies or politically influenced garbage.

No, the evidence is overwhelming. Trauma affects the brain. You will not find one scientist who disagrees with this. Are you telling me a 2 year old who experiences profound physical and sexual abuse will have no brain impairments due to profound abuse? Are you seriously this stupid? From 0-5 years old, the brain is BOOMING with development. Are you saying that scientists are motivated by politics to prove that early childhood trauma affects the brain? Do you really think being beaten at 1 years old will have ZERO impact on brain development? Yes, because showing that trauma affects brain development across children of ALL races is politically motivated.  Geez, you are a special kind of stupid. Even True Adonis agrees that life is very much of a mixture of genes and environment. I just can't respond to such stupidity any more.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,33&q=trauma+and+brain+development+and+IQ

And while youre at it, you can email Allan Schore, leading expert about this topic and tell him that he is politically motivated. You can tell him all his research is wrong. Go and pick up your Nobel Prize. You just overturned the whole field of developmental trauma!!

http://www.allanschore.com/articles.php
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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2016, 04:16:08 AM »
No, the evidence is overwhelming. Trauma affects the brain. You will not find one scientist who disagrees with this. Are you telling me a 2 year old who experiences profound physical and sexual abuse will have no brain impairments due to profound abuse? Are you seriously this stupid? From 0-5 years old, the brain is BOOMING with development. Are you saying that scientists are motivated by politics to prove that early childhood trauma affects the brain? Do you really think being beaten at 1 years old will have ZERO impact on brain development? Geez, you are a special kind of stupid. Even True Adonis agrees that life is very much of a mixture of genes and environment.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,33&q=trauma+and+brain+development+and+IQ

And while youre at it, you can email Allan Schore, leading expert about this topic and tell him that he is politically motivated. You can tell him all his research is wrong. Go and pick up your Nobel Prize.

http://www.allanschore.com/articles.php
Nobel Prize does not have the value it used to have, at all. It's also politically dictated.

Hell Obama got the Nobel Peace price lmao...


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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2016, 04:17:15 AM »

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« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2016, 04:22:13 AM »
Nobel Prize does not have the value it used to have, at all. It's also politically dictated.

Hell Obama got the Nobel Peace price lmao...



The evidence is overwhelming regarding trauma on the developing brain. Either accept the evidence or remain ignorant, which, in your case, is quite easy.

Typical tinfoil hat nonsense. The evidence does not agree with me, so I am going to call it a giant conspiracy haha lol.

Good luck remaining ignorant.
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« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2016, 04:29:09 AM »
The evidence is overwhelming regarding trauma on the developing brain. Either accept the evidence or remain ignorant, which, in your case, is quite easy.

Typical tinfoil hat nonsense. The evidence does not agree with me, so I am going to call it a giant conspiracy haha lol.

Good luck remaining ignorant.

I'll remain "ignorant" then thank you  :-*

Do you argue the same thing about animal races? That there are no psychological differences between sub species?

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2016, 04:37:11 AM »
I read a longer article about this in the morning. It might of been over something as trivial as a stolen car. The victim had both his cars stolen recently, with the latest one just last week. One theory is that the old man maybe asked him about it, got knocked out or killed, then set on fire to cover it up  :(.

This happened just a few weeks ago too, to another elderly person - www.fox25boston.com/news/elderly-woman-beaten-set-on-fire-during-robbery/421204751 .



Horrible. As much as I hate to say it, I rarely stop to help people because you just never know.
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« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2016, 11:39:52 AM »
This was an interesting and intelligent discussion which eventually and unfortunately degraded to the more typical Getbig argument, spiced with insults, racism and irrelevance.

A few things seem certain. What we don't know about our brains far exceeds what we do know. Likewise, what we do not understand about human behavior overshadows what we do understand. Preconceived beliefs frequently have a negative influence on rational thinking.  

 

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« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2016, 11:43:16 AM »
Okay, you better email all those neuroscientists and tell them they have it all wrong and pick up your Nobel Prize lol
Scientists have to be politically correct. Their careers depend on it. It would be career suicide for a scientist to focus their research on intelligence differences between races.

But we really don't need a study do we. The proof is in history and what different races achieved. The Caucasian race advanced societies through their numerous inventions and discoveries. The black races have contributed almost nothing. It is because of genetics. Tens of thousands of years separate Caucasians and Asians from Africans. During this time the races evolved differently. Blacks excel in running events. Whites dominate strength and coordination sports. Usain Bolt is so fast because of his genetics. Newton / Da Vinci  were so intelligent because of their genetics.

If you're trying to convince otherwise give it up. It is naive to think Dindus could function properly in an advanced society. This will not happen. Their brains are less developed. Of course there are a few small exceptions. But a large portion of them are not capable. It is best that a section of Africa be allocated to them. Perhaps it can be called Dinduwane or something like that. All the Dindus in the West should be relocated there. I think this will be great for everyone involved.

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« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2016, 11:48:09 AM »
This was an interesting and intelligent discussion which eventually and unfortunately degraded to the more typical Getbig argument, spiced with insults, racism and irrelevance.

A few things seem certain. What we don't know about our brains far exceeds what we do know. Likewise, what we do not understand about human behavior overshadows what we do understand. Preconceived beliefs frequently have a negative influence on rational thinking.  

Old man, just look at history. You can thank Caucasians for most of the technology and comforts you enjoy. The building you live in was probably built by white carpenters, electricians, plumbers etc. Even today if I drive past jobs sites many workers are white.

There is no mystery. Blacks are better at running 100 meters. Because of their genetics. And Caucasians are more intelligent - because of their genetics. It really is that simple.

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #69 on: August 20, 2016, 11:53:14 AM »
Ever notice that when Howard disappears for a week from posting, so does the Fallsview gimmick?

Just sayin'....

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #70 on: August 20, 2016, 12:00:31 PM »
Article from today's Oregonian


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« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2016, 12:16:51 PM »
Old man, just look at history. You can thank Caucasians for most of the technology and comforts you enjoy. The building you live in was probably built by white carpenters, electricians, plumbers etc. Even today if I drive past jobs sites many workers are white.

There is no mystery. Blacks are better at running 100 meters. Because of their genetics. And Caucasians are more intelligent - because of their genetics. It really is that simple.

Did I suggest there is a mystery? You are stating your point of view regarding blacks and Caucasians, which is fine although irrelevant with regards to my post with the exception of you addressing me as "Old man". My handle is Primemuscle or Prime for short.


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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2016, 12:26:34 PM »
Genetics and environmental circumstances both are important factors.

An individual with the potential to be highly successful is still likely to struggle in life , if they suffered a traumatic childhood,

Personally, I believe a child of any race can achieve academic and societal success if the environmental circumstances are in their favour.

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Re: Black lives matter!
« Reply #73 on: August 20, 2016, 12:37:29 PM »
It would certainly help. The breakdown of the traditional family unit has been one of the most detrimental things to have happened to the country.

 Hooray for Feminism.
I think it would make things worse actually.  At least with a single parent, you would have only one bad influence.  With two, you would have chaos.  Black men are not saints you know.