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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2017, 01:31:08 PM »
A free press is vital to democratic society for the perhaps not-so-obvious FACT that it's the only secure way toward truth.  That's it.  Nothing else can be trusted.

So it's not surprising to see how a sad excuse for a "free press" has led all the dummies into thinking that it means nothing more than a press unaffected by an outside influence such as President Trump who is understandably angry with them.

Um, no, assholes!  You're not a free press.  You're a select billion-dollar club of degenerates who warped the idea of free press into something which works entirely AGAINST the meaning of the thing.  You did that for your own sick purposes.  You don't have nearly enough angry people after you!  (Fuck you, as well.)

Think about that when you want the truth, amigos!

I agree with this. 

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2017, 02:27:56 PM »

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2017, 02:35:07 PM »
Part of free speech means the press can report the news, even in a biased and unfair way, and we the people can criticize them for how they report the news.  That doesn't take away from their freedom. 

I never said that people can't criticize them. I think the average citizen should, but I don't think it's good for the POTUS to do it.

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2017, 02:42:53 PM »
I agree with this. 

Quite frankly, I'm a little concerned about Tu, and whether he understands the matter.

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2017, 02:43:51 PM »
Quite frankly, I'm a little concerned about Tu, and whether he understands the matter.

Your concern is noted.

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2017, 02:44:19 PM »

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2017, 05:29:17 PM »
I never said that people can't criticize them. I think the average citizen should, but I don't think it's good for the POTUS to do it.

Let's take the MLK bust story.  A reporter falsely claimed Trump removed it, trying to paint Trump as a racist.  Should Trump just bend over and take it?  Why shouldn't he be able to call them out for something like that?

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2017, 05:29:46 PM »
Your concern is noted.

Doh!  lol   :D

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2017, 05:38:31 PM »
Gregg Jarrett: Pelosi's crazy claims about Priebus' contact with the FBI don't add up
By  Gregg Jarrett   
Published February 27, 2017
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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of Calif. responds to questions about President Donald Trump's actions and agenda, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Feb. 2, 2017. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of Calif. responds to questions about President Donald Trump's actions and agenda, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Feb. 2, 2017. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)  (AP)

Nancy Pelosi is nothing, if not inane.

She is, of course, the former Speaker of the House who infamously said of ObamaCare, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what’s in it.” 

And who can forget the time she claimed that “500 million people will lose their jobs each month until we have an economic package" ?  Which is a pretty neat trick since there are roughly 300 million people living in the U.S.

So, it is understandable that Pelosi’s latest statement was met with the usual eye-rolling. She all but accused the Trump White House of obstructing justice when she described Chief of Staff Reince Priebus’s conversation with a senior FBI official as “a grave abuse of power…which may also be illegal.”   

Some background is helpful. Priebus says he was approached by FBI Director Andrew McCabe who described as inaccurate a New York Times article about repeated contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign. Priebus allegedly asked the FBI to correct the record by disabusing the story with the truth. Since Justice Department guidelines prohibit the FBI from speaking about an ongoing investigation, the agency declined to comment.

(Of course, FBI Director James Comey, seemed to ignore those same guidelines when he chose to disclose details of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, but there is no shortage of hypocrisy in Washington.)     

Pelosi, who is prone to batty remarks, promptly denounced Priebus and convicted the president for his “explosive ties… to Russian intelligence agents.” She demanded a full-blown investigation by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General into felonious conduct which she did not bother to identify.   

The Democratic leader might consider popping a valium before she hyperventilates.

It is not a crime to solicit the truth.  Honesty is not a felony.  Obstruction of justice is clearly defined by 18 USC 1503:

“Whoever corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes…the due administration of justice, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).”

A companion section, 18 USC 1505, applies the same terminology to “the proper administration of law” before any department or agency of the U.S., which would include the FBI.   

No language in either statute even remotely approaches what Priebus asked McCabe to do. What corrupt act did the chief of staff commit?  Maybe eliciting the truth is corrupt only in Pelosi’s world where facts seem immaterial.     

Obstruction is typically an effort to alter, destroy or conceal the truth and/or physical evidence. There is no suggestion that Priebus ever attempted to do so. To the contrary, reports indicate his sole desire was to refute a false story.  How is that a crime under the law? Decidedly, it is not.

Perhaps Pelosi was inspired by the inflammatory, albeit fallacious, tweets of liberal law professor Laurence Tribe who called for the indictment of Priebus for obstructing justice.  The Harvard Law prof compared it to Richard Nixon and “his staff’s efforts to deflect the FBI investigation of the Watergate break-in.”

Seriously?  That’s laughable, professor.  Soliciting the truth was anathema to Nixon and his “dirty tricksters”. Their sole objective was to hide the truth and demonize anyone who sought to reveal it.  It became the legal standard for corrupt political acts.

Reince Priebus may have been naïve to think that the FBI would get involved in rebutting a false narrative.  But Nancy Pelosi is the one who is guilty of making a false accusation.

And peddling the kind of canard for which she is well known.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/27/gregg-jarrett-pelosis-crazy-claims-about-priebus-contact-with-fbi-dont-add-up.html

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2017, 06:11:36 PM »
Let's take the MLK bust story.  A reporter falsely claimed Trump removed it, trying to paint Trump as a racist.  Should Trump just bend over and take it?  Why shouldn't he be able to call them out for something like that?

I think that is perfectly acceptable to call them out on.

That is absolutely fine with me. I don't know if I made much of an issue about it, but I "think" I mentioned that it was still there and that the reporter was wrong.

I think those types of issues are fine to bring to the forefront. I disagree with his general statements of calling the Press presenters of "fake news" though.

No problem calling out bullshit, but at the same time, do not cut the press off just because they say something stupid or present something incorrectly. Hold them accountable by stating the truth.


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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2017, 06:17:48 PM »
I think that is perfectly acceptable to call them out on.

That is absolutely fine with me. I don't know if I made much of an issue about it, but I "think" I mentioned that it was still there and that the reporter was wrong.

I think those types of issues are fine to bring to the forefront. I disagree with his general statements of calling the Press presenters of "fake news" though.

No problem calling out bullshit, but at the same time, do not cut the press off just because they say something stupid or present something incorrectly. Hold them accountable by stating the truth.



I think we're saying pretty much the same thing.  I agree he shouldn't try and censor the press and should avoid blanket statements about the press. 

That said, I have no problem with him calling out fake news stories.  I'm not a fan of his overall approach, but I do like the fact he isn't being a doormat. 

The media in general is in the tank for the Democrat party.  They were clearly trying to engineer a result during the election and it blew up in their faces.  Now they are trying to tear the man down and he is standing toe-to-toe exchanging blows.  They are not used to that. 

The media is a necessary evil.  They do some great things.  They do some pretty bad things.   

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2017, 06:20:39 PM »
I think we're saying pretty much the same thing.  I agree he shouldn't try and censor the press and should avoid blanket statements about the press. 

That said, I have no problem with him calling out fake news stories.  I'm not a fan of his overall approach, but I do like the fact he isn't being a doormat. 

The media is a necessary evil.  They do some great things.  They do some pretty bad things.   

Practically what most people have been saying since July 2015, LOL.
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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2017, 06:42:19 PM »
Practically what most people have been saying since July 2015, LOL.

Yeah.  Gotta take the good with the bad.  He's not going to change.  It looks like he's going to get a lot of good things done, while burning down the house.  lol

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2017, 07:36:00 PM »
I think we're saying pretty much the same thing.  I agree he shouldn't try and censor the press and should avoid blanket statements about the press. 

That said, I have no problem with him calling out fake news stories.  I'm not a fan of his overall approach, but I do like the fact he isn't being a doormat. 

The media in general is in the tank for the Democrat party.  They were clearly trying to engineer a result during the election and it blew up in their faces.  Now they are trying to tear the man down and he is standing toe-to-toe exchanging blows.  They are not used to that. 

The media is a necessary evil.  They do some great things.  They do some pretty bad things.   

Agreed. He should hit them back with facts and reality.

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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2017, 02:39:30 AM »
Agreed. He should hit them back with facts and reality.

This we can all agree with!

The truth does not fear investigation.
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Re: Trump tried to influence FBI investigation of Russia ties
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2017, 10:29:45 AM »
This we can all agree with!

The truth does not fear investigation.

EXACTLY!