Soy better than animal Protein ?

[Earl1972]

Children who are raised on vegan milk alternatives are shorter than normal kids.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/health/milk-children-height-study/index.html

Go ahead vegans, keep raising insecure manlets.

height is genetic

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[DroppingPlates]

height is genetic

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Not 100%

[hipolito mejia]

Soybeans contain all of the essential amino acids necessary for human nutrition and have been grown and harvested for thousands of years. Populations with diets high in soy protein and low in animal protein have lower risks of prostate and breast cancers than other populations. Increasing dietary whole soy protein lowers levels of total cholesterol, low-density lipoproteins, and triglycerides; may improve menopausal hot flashes; and may help maintain bone density and decrease fractures in postmenopausal women. There are not enough data to make recommendations concerning soy intake in women with a history of breast cancer. The refined soy isoflavone components, when given as supplements, have not yielded the same results as increasing dietary whole soy protein. Overall, soy is well tolerated, and because it is a complete source of protein shown to lower cholesterol, it is recommended as a dietary substitution for higher-fat animal products

This. 

[Van_Bilderass]

There is way higher levels of estrogen in any beef or milk product than that of soy,

It's a myth that beef or milk contain lots of hormones, the levels are so tiny that they are completely inconsequential.
If kids have gyno it's almost always because they are fat.

[The Keto Kid]

It's a myth that beef or milk contain lots of hormones, the levels are so tiny that they are completely inconsequential.
If kids have gyno it's almost always because they are fat.

So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.

[ratherbebig]

they must eat a lot of meat in the arab world if hairy armpits is considered hard evidence.

[Earl1972]

Not 100%

so how much?

if mom is 5'2, dad is 5'7 what is the kids height potential?  

healthy boys are always taller than mom and height tends to come from mom's side, but how much taller could the kid be if he used animal protein instead of soy?  

if the kid ends up taller than 5'7 i'd say there's a good chance mom had a taller male "friend"

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[DroppingPlates]

so how much?

if mom is 5'2, dad is 5'7 what is the kids height potential?  

healthy boys are always taller than mom and height tends to come from mom's side, but how much taller could the kid be if he used animal protein instead of soy?  

if the kid ends up taller than 5'7 i'd say there's a good chance mom had a taller male "friend"

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The only thing I'm saying is that someone's length is defined by more characteristics than just genetics. Our genes haven't evolved that much during the last century, yet we're taller than ever before. I have no clue if someone with a strict plant based diet is longer/shorter than someone who's consuming animal proteins. This would be an interesting study, but maybe they already done is, duno.

[Van_Bilderass]

So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.

Caloric excess I think is to blame for the early puberty.
If hormones were causing early puberty there'd be tremendous problems earlier on, you would be seeing mustaches on 4 year old girls. But which hormones do you think are present in milk and meat, estrogens, androgens, peptides? If it were estrogens why would it cause androgenic effects in boys? If androgens, why big boobs on girls? There's growth hormone in milk but peptides are broken down by digestion.

[Las Vegas]

Yeah, and I think the earlier puberty (which is real) involves girls, not boys, and it appears males are losing testosterone. Much of the chemical degradation we're now polluted with in this world, has broken down into estrogen-like matter.

[Van_Bilderass]

Caloric excess I think is to blame for the early puberty.
If hormones were causing early puberty there'd be tremendous problems earlier on, you would be seeing mustaches on 4 year old girls. But which hormones do you think are present in milk and meat, estrogens, androgens, peptides? If it were estrogens why would it cause androgenic effects in boys? If androgens, why big boobs on girls? There's growth hormone in milk but peptides are broken down by digestion.

First hit on google when I did a search on early puberty:
https://www.livescience.com/1824-truth-early-puberty.html

"... doctors say the likely cause, if any, is childhood obesity: That is, it's not what's in the food but food itself, and lots of it, in all it's fatty-sugary glory, coupled with inactivity."

[bigkid]

So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.

But is that the norm?  Some kids have always gone through puberty way earlier then others.  Some girls have always developed early.  It's been like that forever.  Have the averages changed that dramatically?

[Parker]

So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.

Japanese women breasts have been getting larger due to higher protein (meat?) Westernized diets. But breast cancer percentages have risen as well.

[Marty Champions]

height most likely isnt dependent on just one or two genes fuckwits

[_bruce_]

Yeah, and I think the earlier puberty (which is real) involves girls, not boys, and it appears males are losing testosterone. Much of the chemical degradation we're now polluted with in this world, has broken down into estrogen-like matter.

Super Male Vitality could be a life saver in such an environment.

[hipolito mejia]

Yeah, and I think the earlier puberty (which is real) involves girls, not boys, and it appears males are losing testosterone. Much of the chemical degradation we're now polluted with in this world, has broken down into estrogen-like matter.

QFT.

[FREAKgeek]

There is a problem written about every single food on the internet. Even broccoli has been called carcinogenic and a thyroid problem. For every guru supporting a food there is a guru against it. Just experiment and see what agrees with you, and don't listen to anyone else.

[liquid_c]

There is a problem written about every single food on the internet. Even broccoli has been called carcinogenic and a thyroid problem. For every guru supporting a food there is a guru against it. Just experiment and see what agrees with you, and don't listen to anyone else.

Finally someone with common sense.  You can find any study to support anything you want to believe.   Soy is not the best protein in the world.  However you aren't going to grow tits or become a women if you take it. 

[The Keto Kid]

Japanese women breasts have been getting larger due to higher protein (meat?) Westernized diets. But breast cancer percentages have risen as well.

Yes these Asian countries are starting to see their population experiencing heart disease, diabetes, and cancers that have never been problematic in the past, due to our franchises invading their countries. Places like McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, BurgerKing, Dunkin Doughnuts have all been implanted in theses countries and the people really like the food, these franchises are super popular in Asia. Sad stuff.

[hipolito mejia]

Yes these Asian countries are starting to see their population experiencing heart disease, diabetes, and cancers that have never been problematic in the past, due to our franchises invading their countries. Places like McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, BurgerKing, Dunkin Doughnuts have all been implanted in theses countries and the people really like the food, these franchises are super popular in Asia. Sad stuff.

You make it sound like fast food chains are selling toxics. 

[The Keto Kid]

You make it sound like fast food chains are selling toxics.  

Um, they are, they cook their food in  hydrogenated oils.

It turns out that there are 17 ingredients in MickeyD’s French fries!  They contain:

-Potatoes (whew! I’m glad that was the first ingredient)

-Canola oil—Most canola oil is now genetically-modified
-Hydrogenated soybean oil—Like canola oil, most soybean oil is now extracted from genetically-modified soybeans. Plus the hydrogenation process makes the oil more saturated than it would be in its natural form, and unhealthy.

-Safflower oil—Believed to be a healthier cooking oil, most safflower is unfortunately heated to high temperatures long before it is ever used for cooking, causing it to be chemically-altered from the heat, and a source of inflammation in the body when that is the case.

-”Natural flavor”—McDonald’s natural flavor is apparently obtained from a vegetable source, but the “natural” moniker means nothing since it can even potentially contain the nerve- and brain-toxin monosodium glutamate (MSG).

-Dextrose—a type of sugar.

-Sodium acid pyrophosphate—This ingredient is apparently used to maintain the color of the fries.  On the chemical industry’s own safety data sheets it is listed as hazardous for ingestion, which is exactly what you’ll be doing if you eat those French fries.

-Citric acid—used as a preservative.

-Dimethylpolysiloxane—used as an anti-foaming agent, this industrial chemical is typically used in caulking and sealants and comes with a list of safety concerns.
-Vegetable oil for frying, which is a blend of 7 ingredients, including:  canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with tert-butylhydroquinone (TBHQ), citric acid, and dimethylpolysiloxane.  We discussed most of these ingredients above.  Corn oil, like its canola and soybean counterparts is now primarily made of genetically-modified corn.

TBHQ is a petroleum-based, butane-like (yes, that’s lighter fluid!) ingredient used as a preservative.  It has been linked to asthma, skin conditions, hormone disruption, and in long-term animal studies to cancer and damage to DNA.

Contrary to what McDonald’s may claim in its slogan, I’m NOT lovin’ it!

[Marty Champions]

There is a problem written about every single food on the internet. Even broccoli has been called carcinogenic and a thyroid problem. For every guru supporting a food there is a guru against it. Just experiment and see what agrees with you, and don't listen to anyone else.

truth

[Earl1972]

height most likely isnt dependent on just one or two genes fuckwits

you're 6'6 how tall are your parents and relatives?

i bet there are no 5'6 guys in your family and it isn't because they ate a particular protein

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