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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2018, 03:06:36 PM »
He should have kept calling that disgusting creature sir to antagonise it further till it snapped and attacked him and he had an excuse to beat it down.

Yes this hahahah.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2018, 05:24:18 AM »
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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2018, 05:48:08 AM »
Reminded me of this guy

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2018, 01:11:31 PM »
Prime you sound like a woman trapped inside a man's body

You can hear me? Amazing!

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2018, 01:29:20 PM »
The customer is always right saying is just some capitalist bullshit. Customers today are wrong alot. I stand on principal, get the fuck out SIR!
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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2018, 01:31:55 PM »
Yeah, I hate that saying.  Usually the customer is an asshole.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2018, 01:43:55 PM »
I partially agree with this, but also disagree with this.

If someone wants me to call them "X," I may or may not do it. If I had a best friend, whom I have known for 30 years, wanted me to call them a specific name, then I would oblige, obviously. On the other hand, I am not obligated to call a random person a particular name, just because they want me to. And, if I don't want to call them that name, they should respect my wishes and move on, without causing an outburst. There is no excuse to act disorderly.

I DO NOT want to be obliged or be expected to do anything, just because people expect me to. If I oblige someone's request, it's based off of my own self-conscious decision, not because I should call a "person whatever they ask you to."

My name (not my handle here), is pretty hard to mispronounce. On rare occasion, someone meeting me for the first time will add a second syllable. It does not offend me, but I would still correct them. If someone called me ma'am, I'd think that they must be both blind and deaf. :)  Still, I wouldn't be annoyed so much as amused. I would point out their mistake to them, dropping my trousers if necessary. ;)

If someone asked me to address them differently, I would not feel obliged to comply with their wish, but I'd give them that courtesy anyway. So, if you decide that you'd like me to call you shithead, I will. :)



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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2018, 02:08:27 PM »
Yeah, I hate that saying.  Usually the customer is an asshole.

Of course they're usually assholes. Nice people don't give clerks a hard time.

This reminds me, in 2017 The Oregon Court of Appeals unanimously upheld a 2015 ruling — and a $135,000 fine — that two Gresham bakery owners discriminated against a gay couple by refusing to make them a wedding cake, violating Oregon law. I don't agree with this ruling. It does example that legally, the customer was right. "What a world...what a world."



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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2018, 02:14:30 PM »
America needs more mental institutions.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2018, 02:17:01 PM »
Another example of the customer being right. DoubleTree Portland has fired a security guard and manager who evicted a black hotel guest earlier this week after he took a phone call in the lobby and the guard questioned what he was doing there. http://www.towleroad.com/2018/12/doubletree-portland/

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2018, 02:19:53 PM »
America needs more mental institutions.

No kidding! The lack of mental health facilities is often cited as a reason for increases in homelessness.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #61 on: January 01, 2019, 05:58:57 PM »
 Anyone know this guy's name?

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2019, 06:58:19 AM »
Mental illness.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2019, 10:46:36 AM »
My name (not my handle here), is pretty hard to mispronounce. On rare occasion, someone meeting me for the first time will add a second syllable. It does not offend me, but I would still correct them. If someone called me ma'am, I'd think that they must be both blind and deaf. :)  Still, I wouldn't be annoyed so much as amused. I would point out their mistake to them, dropping my trousers if necessary. ;)

If someone asked me to address them differently, I would not feel obliged to comply with their wish, but I'd give them that courtesy anyway. So, if you decide that you'd like me to call you shithead, I will. :)




Well, that's the fundamental difference. You will call them what they want to be called out of courtesy, but that's still your conscious decision to be courteous toward them.

That is much different than being obligated, bullied, expected, or legislated to honor their requests.

To the best of my ability, I try to be courteous to others in order to best meet their needs. I just won't be bullied into doing so.

What's happening is a perfect example of the social psychology term, Psychological Reactance (PR). The exact definition, "The tendency to resist being influenced or manipulated by others, usually by doing the opposite of what is desired or expected."

This is precisely why Trump won. People felt like their rights were being taken away by the left by limiting free speech and trying to influence and manipulate speech on college campuses, etc, what other people do and say. So, what did people do? They did the exact opposite and voted for Trump, who, in their minds, represented the opposite.

The Liberals/Democrats still have not learned that people don't change by being bullied. And, if they are being bullied into change, its a superficial, behavioral change, not an reorganization of cognitive structures.
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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2019, 01:27:25 PM »
Well, that's the fundamental difference. You will call them what they want to be called out of courtesy, but that's still your conscious decision to be courteous toward them.

That is much different than being obligated, bullied, expected, or legislated to honor their requests.

To the best of my ability, I try to be courteous to others in order to best meet their needs. I just won't be bullied into doing so.

What's happening is a perfect example of the social psychology term, Psychological Reactance (PR). The exact definition, "The tendency to resist being influenced or manipulated by others, usually by doing the opposite of what is desired or expected."

This is precisely why Trump won. People felt like their rights were being taken away by the left by limiting free speech and trying to influence and manipulate speech on college campuses, etc, what other people do and say. So, what did people do? They did the exact opposite and voted for Trump, who, in their minds, represented the opposite.

The Liberals/Democrats still have not learned that people don't change by being bullied. And, if they are being bullied into change, its a superficial, behavioral change, not an reorganization of cognitive structures.

Okay. I get it. This is not an issue which should legislated. We were talking about two different things. Common courtesy and business ethics aside, everyone should be allowed to address others as they please without fear of being sued for discrimination. Sometimes, what is right and what is real don't jive.

If we stick to the content of the posted video, I think the store clerk was out-of-line. I also feel the character making a ridiculous fuss about how he or she is addressed is wrong. However, there are often consequences for what we do or say. To be completely fair here, the clerk should be fired and the customer should have been escorted out of the store and perhaps given a no trespass notice.

I thought transgender people prefer gender neutral pronouns. Yo'self, verself or perself are all possibilities.

The whole event was likely a setup for a Youtube post. Youtube, selfies and senseless soical media websites....everyone believes they deserve 15 minutes of fame. ::)  We've become a very narcissistic society. SAD (how very Trumpian of me)!  ;D

And...I am a fairly liberal Democrat.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2019, 03:37:03 PM »
Okay. I get it. This is not an issue which should legislated. We were talking about two different things. Common courtesy and business ethics aside, everyone should be allowed to address others as they please without fear of being sued for discrimination. Sometimes, what is right and what is real don't jive.

If we stick to the content of the posted video, I think the store clerk was out-of-line. I also feel the character making a ridiculous fuss about how he or she is addressed is wrong. However, there are often consequences for what we do or say. To be completely fair here, the clerk should be fired and the customer should have been escorted out of the store and perhaps given a no trespass notice.

I thought transgender people prefer gender neutral pronouns. Yo'self, verself or perself are all possibilities.

The whole event was likely a setup for a Youtube post. Youtube, selfies and senseless soical media websites....everyone believes they deserve 15 minutes of fame. ::)  We've become a very narcissistic society. SAD (how very Trumpian of me)!  ;D

And...I am a fairly liberal Democrat.

I thought transgender people prefer gender neutral pronouns. Yo'self, verself or perself are all possibilities
And so are Twat , Weirdo , Freak , Nutcase , Pervert.


HTH

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2019, 03:55:24 PM »
Okay. I get it. This is not an issue which should legislated. We were talking about two different things. Common courtesy and business ethics aside, everyone should be allowed to address others as they please without fear of being sued for discrimination. Sometimes, what is right and what is real don't jive.

If we stick to the content of the posted video, I think the store clerk was out-of-line. I also feel the character making a ridiculous fuss about how he or she is addressed is wrong. However, there are often consequences for what we do or say. To be completely fair here, the clerk should be fired and the customer should have been escorted out of the store and perhaps given a no trespass notice.

I thought transgender people prefer gender neutral pronouns. Yo'self, verself or perself are all possibilities.

The whole event was likely a setup for a Youtube post. Youtube, selfies and senseless soical media websites....everyone believes they deserve 15 minutes of fame. ::)  We've become a very narcissistic society. SAD (how very Trumpian of me)!  ;D

And...I am a fairly liberal Democrat.

How was the store clerk out of line? What did he do wrong?
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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2019, 04:31:28 PM »
How was the store clerk out of line? What did he do wrong?

Insulting the customer for one. Contributing to the uproar for another.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2019, 04:33:07 PM »
Insulting the customer for one. Contributing to the uproar for another.

How did he insult the customer?
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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2019, 04:39:37 PM »
How did he insult the customer?

By not yielding to the customer's very simple and frankly harmless request to be addressed as ma'am.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2019, 04:44:52 PM »
By not yielding to the customer's very simple and frankly harmless request to be addressed as ma'am.

Should he have yielded from a business perspective? From a personal perspective? Or, both?
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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2019, 04:54:06 PM »
Should he have yielded from a business perspective? From a personal perspective? Or, both?

From a business perspective. How the clerk feels personally is irrelevant. The 'what's it' posed no threat to the clerk.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2019, 05:04:52 PM »
From a business perspective. How the clerk feels personally is irrelevant. The 'what's it' posed no threat to the clerk.

Well, in this day and age, any business is prone to being "shut down" for the most minor perceived offense.

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Re: Transgender gets Misgendered.
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2019, 08:03:55 PM »
Well, in this day and age, any business is prone to being "shut down" for the most minor perceived offense.



We can agree about this. I, for one am not delighted by our sue happy, money grubbing society. -Punitive damages ugh! The couple who once owned Sweet Cakes Bakery in Gresham, OR know all about being forced to shutter their doors because of a questionable remark to a customer.