Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?

[Taffin]

You think it was for the insulin? I first read about the baby food when I first picked up a bb mag, circa 1987 or 88. It was said that it was good because they are low sodium.  Nowadays bodybuilders don't avoid sodium, they try to add more of it. That can be smart for some who eat "clean".

I just remember someone once telling me they'd used insulin (not every day like they do now) but for a carb-load for the stage (do people even still do that? LOL) and he had a bag full of baby food - maybe it was unrelated

Re: salt, I remember an article by Laura Binetti and her partner where they swore by the inclusion of high-sodium pickles in their diets, so maybe they were early adopters

And I was certainly surprised by the fact that Milos put so much on his 'every day for 40 years' breakfast in that video posted a few days ago about his Mother's basement

That and the fact that I think he referred to it as 'Himalayan Sea Salt' 

[Van_Bilderass]

I just remember someone once telling me they'd used insulin (not every day like they do now) but for a carb-load for the stage (do people even still do that? LOL) and he had a bag full of baby food - maybe it was unrelated

Re: salt, I remember an article by Laura Binetti and her partner where they swore by the inclusion of high-sodium pickles in their diets, so maybe they were early adopters

And I was certainly surprised by the fact that Milos put so much on his 'every day for 40 years' breakfast in that video posted a few days ago about his Mother's basement

That and the fact that I think he referred to it as 'Himalayan Sea Salt' 

Yeah the baby food for use with insulin probably came later since insulin use was way rare before Milos. Maybe some figured it would be easily digestible or whatever. There are some silly trends like Chad's pie filling, as if it would be anything special. Carbs are carbs and sugar is sugar pretty much.

I remember Scott Abel and the pickles. I think Milos and Efferding are right about the sodium, it's not something you need to restrict too much.

Himalayan sea salt Lol. That's another silly trend, people think there's something extra special about it, but from what I remember it only contains tiny traces of different trace minerals.

[joswift]

I just remember someone once telling me they'd used insulin (not every day like they do now) but for a carb-load for the stage (do people even still do that? LOL) and he had a bag full of baby food - maybe it was unrelated

Re: salt, I remember an article by Laura Binetti and her partner where they swore by the inclusion of high-sodium pickles in their diets, so maybe they were early adopters

And I was certainly surprised by the fact that Milos put so much on his 'every day for 40 years' breakfast in that video posted a few days ago about his Mother's basement

That and the fact that I think he referred to it as 'Himalayan Sea Salt' 

Pure fruit baby food and rice cakes was the staple pre stage meal

I know of one British guy who was competing in a world champs I think it was Poland and he had used insulin but the food he had wasnt cutting it, he ended up eating a jar of jam someone gave him as it was the only sweet thing in the building

[pellius]

And the conclusion is?

I thought it would be obvious but I'll spell it out. There is a lot of good legit ug gear out there.

[pellius]

exactly, but isnt it amazing how many labs start off well and then their gear eventually gets worse until they fold?
Greed I suppose, short term gain..

Always preceded by a big 30% off sale. Nothing like a big pot of chimg just before you wrap things up and disappear only to come back under a new name a few months or years later when it's time for more easy cash.

[IroNat]

I thought it would be obvious but I'll spell it out. There is a lot of good legit ug gear out there.

  Seems like in the example you mentioned the dosage of your UG  test was not accurate.  Did I interpret that correctly?

[pellius]

  Seems like in the example you mentioned the dosage of your UG  test was not accurate.  Did I interpret that correctly?

I didn't measure nor comment on the accuracy of either the pharm grade of ug grade of Testosterone concentration. I went by what is listed on the label. But it is less irelevant what the label says than what the actual results are when making a comparison.

There was a 20% increase in labeled concentration between the pharm brand and the UG brand. Yet there was a corresponding 58% increase in Total Test using the UG brand. As Joe Biden would say, "Come on, man!" But seriously, though, use a little bit of extrapolation yourself. Especially when it's that obvious.

[bigbychoices]

                                      There are some good ug labs out there. Hard to find but most people just go by price and wonder why they get crap. remember the ug lab is only as good as the raws they get. So if they are getting shit raws then you will get shit products. Anytime drugs of any kind are made and sold they find a way to increase their profit. So instead of using real deca they put test cyp in and label it deca. Most dont know the difference and if they get results they think its real deca. Even the ugs dont usually test everything they get to see what it is. They usually rely on their supplier to be truthful. There was a time when even pharmacies here in the states were selling fake/counterfiet steroids to customers. ( dont know if they knew it or not but they got stuff made from what looked like the legit manufacturer and it wasnt)  So choose wisely. Listen to others on the boards. Do your homework. Dont go for just price and never ever jump on a "new" seller until others have done so and have real reviews. Does anyone remember when they were putting armor all in bottels and selling it as winny v? Many years ago but it was true.

[IroNat]

I didn't measure nor comment on the accuracy of either the pharm grade of ug grade of Testosterone concentration. I went by what is listed on the label. But it is less irelevant what the label says than what the actual results are when making a comparison.

There was a 20% increase in labeled concentration between the pharm brand and the UG brand. Yet there was a corresponding 58% increase in Total Test using the UG brand. As Joe Biden would say, "Come on, man!" But seriously, though, use a little bit of extrapolation yourself. Especially when it's that obvious.

What I meant was you want to be confident you are getting a correct dosage in whatever drug you take.  If you take 200 mg ibuprofen you want it to really be 200 mg and not 50 or 500 mg.  So it goes beyond just being the true actual ingredient.

[pellius]

What I meant was you want to be confident you are getting a correct dosage in whatever drug you take.  If you take 200 mg ibuprofen you want it to really be 200 mg and not 50 or 500 mg.  So it goes beyond just being the true actual ingredient.

Well, I thought we were talking about whether or not there was good UG gear. As far as dosage I have to go by label claims. That's why stuff is now randomly tested. In my example, I was able to verify that not only was the UG brand the correct hormone but it was actually a bit overdosed compared to the pharm brand.

[ESFitness]

I didn't measure nor comment on the accuracy of either the pharm grade of ug grade of Testosterone concentration. I went by what is listed on the label. But it is less irelevant what the label says than what the actual results are when making a comparison.

There was a 20% increase in labeled concentration between the pharm brand and the UG brand. Yet there was a corresponding 58% increase in Total Test using the UG brand. As Joe Biden would say, "Come on, man!" But seriously, though, use a little bit of extrapolation yourself. Especially when it's that obvious.

  Seems like in the example you mentioned the dosage of your UG  test was not accurate.  Did I interpret that correctly?

depends on when he got his bloodwork after the injection, but 200mg/wk should put you at least in the 1400+ range, esp after a few weeks of injs.  those levels are more consistant with 100mg/wk, so it's possible the UG stuff would be 50% dosed... but who knows, at lteast there's test in it

[pellius]

depends on when he got his bloodwork after the injection, but 200mg/wk should put you at least in the 1400+ range, esp after a few weeks of injs.  those levels are more consistant with 100mg/wk, so it's possible the UG stuff would be 50% dosed... but who knows, at lteast there's test in it

I always take my blood test 4 days after my weekly injection of 200mg/Test Cyp. I've been on TRT continuously for almost 20 years. Though my Total Test is considered low for the amount that I take. The more important Free Test is well above reference range. So I make the most of what I have. Usually the SHBG goes down when you age but not with me. I posted both date and results as verification.