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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #75 on: September 07, 2020, 01:55:37 PM »
The drugs of the past obtained from a pharmacy made in an American pharmaceutical lab were powerful. The stuff they say is Dianabol or Anadrol 50 sold from the trunk of a car in the gym parking lot is counterfeit. Probably from China. They are great a counterfeiting the packaging right down to the paper work insert inside the box. The only problem is that they are not authentic. More likely just testosterone. Using just one Anadrol 50 with no other drug had guys blowing up in 4 weeks. Guys that took two had even more drastic results. Guys that took three had the whites of their eyes turn yellow. Today I hear guys popping 4 and 5 pills seeing modest results. Nope, counterfeit.
I agree with this, how many bodybuilders from the 70s and 80s had huge side effects from the drugs they were taking? Nowadays every gym rat or pro has the same look, massive water retention, acne over the entire body, and no deep cuts, at least when compared to the previous generations.

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #76 on: September 07, 2020, 02:03:18 PM »
I agree with this, how many bodybuilders from the 70s and 80s had huge side effects from the drugs they were taking? Nowadays every gym rat or pro has the same look, massive water retention, acne over the entire body, and no deep cuts, at least when compared to the previous generations.

So you agree with him that the drugs are fake today? But why are guys having side effects from taking sugar pills? What are you saying?
OTOH oldtimer says guys were getting jaundice frequently. Nowadays they don't. So drugs were worse for your liver but gentle as far as acne and water retention goes. Is this what you think?

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #77 on: September 07, 2020, 03:06:58 PM »
Nah that makes it sound like Anadrol is widely abused. No, lots of bodybuilders don't care for that stuff at all, few do it for long periods of time. And I think Anadrol is rather mild in several aspects compared to some other anabolics.
Dan Duchaine would argue with you but he's dead.

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #78 on: September 07, 2020, 03:40:16 PM »
Dan Duchaine would argue with you but he's dead.
Hey I remember Dan

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #79 on: September 07, 2020, 03:42:10 PM »
Drugs of today are not as strong as the pharma of yesterday or even today, but they are cheap and widely available so dosages are far higher. I personally think 1 amp of Testoviron is  better than the same mg in chinese test, but one costs $15 ml the other $3 so the modern bodybuilder takes it 3 times to 1 times higher. The end result guys today are on higher amounts of IUS and MGS as they look like they are. They are bigger but not necessarily better as the combination makes all things bigger including waists guts etc. IMO

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #80 on: September 07, 2020, 04:09:45 PM »
So you agree with him that the drugs are fake today?


I don't get this argument - there are places online you can get stuff tested

Hell, there are even home-testing kits!



https://www.amazon.com/ROIDTEST-Complete-Steroid-Testing-System/dp/B01BLQYGN8
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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #81 on: September 07, 2020, 06:32:05 PM »
The base ingredient from China may be ok (or maybe not, recall other crap made in China) but how do you even know what's in that syringe or bottle you buy from your local drug pusher?  You don't know. Maybe that Chinese supplier mixed it up in the same beaker he last used for insect killer.  Do you think he cares about your health?  Does your local pusher care deeply for quality, say more than when he cuts dope?

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2020, 06:34:50 PM »

I don't get this argument - there are places online you can get stuff tested

Hell, there are even home-testing kits!



https://www.amazon.com/ROIDTEST-Complete-Steroid-Testing-System/dp/B01BLQYGN8
How many test it?

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2020, 08:10:29 PM »
Dan Duchaine would argue with you but he's dead.

Duchaine said it was fine for women at a low dose, in fact people thought he was nuts to even put woman and Anadrol in the same sentence.   :D It's not as highly androgenic like tren or whatever.
Drugs of today are not as strong as the pharma of yesterday or even today, but they are cheap and widely available so dosages are far higher. I personally think 1 amp of Testoviron is  better than the same mg in chinese test, but one costs $15 ml the other $3 so the modern bodybuilder takes it 3 times to 1 times higher. The end result guys today are on higher amounts of IUS and MGS as they look like they are. They are bigger but not necessarily better as the combination makes all things bigger including waists guts etc. IMO

I have used a lot of pharma test but I couldn't really tell a difference. One dude gave me 50 amps of a few pharma brands for free, he was going to buy UG. Now I think he was nuts, I mean pharma is always preferred for the quality guarantee. This same dude said Ciba Dianabol didn't impress him much, that's how long he has juiced. Strange.

Another dude sells me his scripted Nebido for about 90 bucks. Why does he sell it? Well,  he can buy that 1g of test for 5 bucks from UG labs and make a few bucks. I don't mind paying premium prices for assured quality, and I just like to try different products.

The base ingredient from China may be ok (or maybe not, recall other crap made in China) but how do you even know what's in that syringe or bottle you buy from your local drug pusher?  You don't know. Maybe that Chinese supplier mixed it up in the same beaker he last used for insect killer.  Do you think he cares about your health?  Does your local pusher care deeply for quality, say more than when he cuts dope?

There are many problems with the China underground scene, the stuff could be 98% pure vs 99% for pharma. The brewers may also cut the products and sometimes they may have a bad batch or even the wrong compound altogether, they may not know themselves. However, real hormones are being made in China, it's not all just watered down test.
Someone made the point a few years ago is that UGs often ocerdosed their products to make them appear extra strong, nothing was gained by cutting the product, since the hormones themselves were so cheap.
But yes, pharma would always be preferred, but strangely pharma stuff is sometimes off too, legally many drugs can be 10% off.

At the start of this year China promised to crack down on illegal hormone market and put the sellers to death. I don't know what came of that, but who was pressuring China? It was WADA, all hormones used by athletes come from China pretty much. Many years ago Stallone was also using Chinese Jintropin and US government pressured China to crack down on this specific growth hormone.

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #84 on: September 07, 2020, 11:37:08 PM »
^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.

I was a client of Dr. Kerr in my late teens (17) until he passed. He might have meant 1500mg. My usual was Deca, Anavar (White, Football shaped, 2.5mg) and DBol (pharmacological CIBA 5mg tab). For any injectables I had to go to the office. The pharmacy was within his office building.

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #85 on: September 08, 2020, 12:23:58 AM »
I was a client of Dr. Kerr in my late teens (17) until he passed. He might have meant 1500mg. My usual was Deca, Anavar (White, Football shaped, 2.5mg) and DBol (pharmacological CIBA 5mg tab). For any injectables I had to go to the office. The pharmacy was within his office building.

Yeah but 1500mg would still be 300 tabs a day  :D
What's the highest oral dose you have ever seen?

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #86 on: September 08, 2020, 12:29:08 AM »
Yeah but 1500mg would still be 300 tabs a day  :D
What's the highest oral dose you have ever seen?
40 and I felt like shit. Remember, back then was the real deal. No knockoffs

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #87 on: September 08, 2020, 03:07:38 AM »
No that's BS.

There is an absolute shitton of prime hormones coming from China. What's creating these opinions is old guys having poor memories. What you thought of  as "blow up" and "jacked" wasn't as great as you remember. At that time you thought such and such guy was so amazing but if you looked at your photo album from the good old days you'd realise it wasn't that marvelous.
Go watch Pumpin Iron, apart from the crazy aesthetics of the top guys the muscularity is pathetic compared to today. If anyone was using fake drugs it would be the guys in the 70s. No they were using real stuff of course, they just didn't use enough and didn't have as many drugs as today - which come from China!

Secondly, some feel the drugs aren't working as well for them as they once did so the drugs must be fake. What they forget is that they are 20 or 30 years older! They are simply past their prime.

You have made this claim about it all being just being crappy test. This is so retarded on many levels, if you think this is the case you don't know shit. Are you aware that Law Enforcement often test black market steroids when building cases against dealers? You think governments and LE fakes the tests? Are they always dropping cases against dealers because the drugs were fake? If a homebrewer's powders from China are caught at customs are they let off because the powders didn't contain any steroids? Think!

Thirdly, there are still pharma drugs available so guys can compare. I've used Anadrol from pharmacies in Greece and Turkey. I've also used Chinese Anadrol. Guess what, both worked great. I've used many pharma testosterones and many UG labs. Same thing.

Fourth, look at the Mr O lineup. Do they look like they are not on real steroids? Guess what, they use mostly Chinese black market steroids, the same exact shit any kid can buy off the net.

Do you really think the Chinese can't make real hormones? Do you think there's a huge incentive in selling inert stuff?

Yes, some labs cut corners and occasionally sell crap but the fact of the matter is that real hormones is a huge market and real hormones are made.

Do you happen to have any pics of a guy who "blew up" from one Anadrol for a month? Must have been real monsters putting today's pros to shame. Let's see it. :D

This is so accurate on every single level especially about the part about how responds in their 20s versus their 40s. Plus, it is easy to test now. And they do. And with Testosterone it's even easier from a blood test. At 200mg/wk of pharma Test cyp that I get prescribe from a doctor my total Test will be around 715 ng/ml. When I was using 250mg/wk Test cyp from a ug lab I clocked in at 1,225 ng/ml

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #88 on: September 08, 2020, 06:31:30 AM »
This is so accurate on every single level especially about the part about how responds in their 20s versus their 40s. Plus, it is easy to test now. And they do. And with Testosterone it's even easier from a blood test. At 200mg/wk of pharma Test cyp that I get prescribe from a doctor my total Test will be around 715 ng/ml. When I was using 250mg/wk Test cyp from a ug lab I clocked in at 1,225 ng/ml
And the conclusion is?

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #89 on: September 08, 2020, 06:56:57 AM »
I was a client of Dr. Kerr in my late teens (17) until he passed. He might have meant 1500mg. My usual was Deca, Anavar (White, Football shaped, 2.5mg) and DBol (pharmacological CIBA 5mg tab). For any injectables I had to go to the office. The pharmacy was within his office building.

Nice info coach. When do you think the rigid view that test has to be in every cycle started?

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #90 on: September 08, 2020, 07:14:01 AM »
"he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky."

RIDICULOUS ^^

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #91 on: September 08, 2020, 07:33:20 AM »
"he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky."

RIDICULOUS ^^

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #92 on: September 08, 2020, 09:13:36 AM »
"he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky."

RIDICULOUS ^^
Yeah, that does sound pretty absurd.

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #93 on: September 08, 2020, 09:59:38 AM »
A couple of years ago, somewhwere in Europe. Gym reception desk, glucose tablets for insulin using bros  :D

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #94 on: September 08, 2020, 10:03:32 AM »
A couple of years ago, somewhwere in Europe. Gym reception desk, glucose tablets for insulin using bros  :D

Hahaha! - That's a pretty good idea

Sort of related: I think I must have been the last person in the world to work out why people back in the '90s were eating baby food in the form of pureed fruits....  Dur!!   ;D
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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #95 on: September 08, 2020, 10:05:09 AM »
How many test it?

Who knows - but if I were to dabble again I'd certainly want to know what I was doing...
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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2020, 10:14:58 AM »
Who knows - but if I were to dabble again I'd certainly want to know what I was doing...

"Problem" is that those test kits only show if there is the labeled steroid in the product, not the amount. Could be a good idea if you were to use an expensive steroid which might be substituted with a cheaper one by an unscrupulous source, such as Primo or Anavar or Halo.

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2020, 10:18:06 AM »
Hahaha! - That's a pretty good idea

Sort of related: I think I must have been the last person in the world to work out why people back in the '90s were eating baby food in the form of pureed fruits....  Dur!!   ;D

You think it was for the insulin? I first read about the baby food when I first picked up a bb mag, circa 1987 or 88. It was said that it was good because they are low sodium.  :D Nowadays bodybuilders don't avoid sodium, they try to add more of it. That can be smart for some who eat "clean".

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #98 on: September 08, 2020, 01:48:39 PM »
This is so accurate on every single level especially about the part about how responds in their 20s versus their 40s. Plus, it is easy to test now. And they do. And with Testosterone it's even easier from a blood test. At 200mg/wk of pharma Test cyp that I get prescribe from a doctor my total Test will be around 715 ng/ml. When I was using 250mg/wk Test cyp from a ug lab I clocked in at 1,225 ng/ml

on 200mg every 2 wks Phizer cyp, im at 1200-1400ng 2 days after the injection, and by day 13 in 700-800ng.

and with my own 250mg cyp 3cc twice a week puts me at like 9,800ng.

and nat test levels are sub-100ng after being "on" since 17

the whole nonsense about todays gear being bunk is just that, nonsense... sure, there are UGL's who underdose their stuff, i've been the "victim" of underdosed UGL gear (which is the reason i got back in the business myself), but to say that the RAW coming out of China is bunk is complete bullshit. as a manufacturer, if it were bunk, where the fuck is the "filler" shit in my .45 and .22micron filters after filtering 100,200,400g??? surely there'd be something visable in the filters after, but there has NEVER been anything, and my products speak for themselves.

... and i've been using shit for a long time so i can remember what actual pharma stuff and veterinary stuff felt like compared to UG stuff, my UG stuff and others today, and if i'm making legit stuff, i can't be the only one, as im sure any "top pro" (or pro in general) is gonna have access to someone like me who can/will at least cook up products just for them. think about it, a "pro" is probably gonna realize when their gear isn't as "strong" as others he's used in the past, and soon at that happens, he's likely gonna just try another product and that cook or UGL is gonna lose that business, and most us ain't gonna take that risk. the profit on UGL gear is BIG, bigger than any narcotic, so making an extra few bucks per vial isn't worth it. i mean fuck, it costs about a buck to produce a bottle of test if you're doing a few hundred grams at a time, and you sell it for lets say "50", that's 48-49$ profit per bottle. it's more effective to make a stronger product that sells more, than it is to underdose and eventually sell less. the guys who claim the RAWs are garbage just don't know what they're talking about.

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Re: Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?
« Reply #99 on: September 08, 2020, 01:51:58 PM »
on 200mg every 2 wks Phizer cyp, im at 1200-1400ng 2 days after the injection, and by day 13 in 700-800ng.

and with my own 250mg cyp 3cc twice a week puts me at like 9,800ng.

and nat test levels are sub-100ng after being "on" since 17

the whole nonsense about todays gear being bunk is just that, nonsense... sure, there are UGL's who underdose their stuff, i've been the "victim" of underdosed UGL gear (which is the reason i got back in the business myself), but to say that the RAW coming out of China is bunk is complete bullshit. as a manufacturer, if it were bunk, where the fuck is the "filler" shit in my .45 and .22micron filters after filtering 100,200,400g??? surely there'd be something visable in the filters after, but there has NEVER been anything, and my products speak for themselves.

... and i've been using shit for a long time so i can remember what actual pharma stuff and veterinary stuff felt like compared to UG stuff, my UG stuff and others today, and if i'm making legit stuff, i can't be the only one, as im sure any "top pro" (or pro in general) is gonna have access to someone like me who can/will at least cook up products just for them. think about it, a "pro" is probably gonna realize when their gear isn't as "strong" as others he's used in the past, and soon at that happens, he's likely gonna just try another product and that cook or UGL is gonna lose that business, and most us ain't gonna take that risk. the profit on UGL gear is BIG, bigger than any narcotic, so making an extra few bucks per vial isn't worth it. i mean fuck, it costs about a buck to produce a bottle of test if you're doing a few hundred grams at a time, and you sell it for lets say "50", that's 48-49$ profit per bottle. it's more effective to make a stronger product that sells more, than it is to underdose and eventually sell less. the guys who claim the RAWs are garbage just don't know what they're talking about.

exactly, but isnt it amazing how many labs start off well and then their gear eventually gets worse until they fold?
Greed I suppose, short term gain..