Pete Grymkowski: All Drugs?

[BB]

Also, as an aside, Kerr was Duchaine early source for various things. If Kerr understood Duchaine's logic, he'd get the stuff for him. If not, then he wouldn't.

This relates to Grymkowski, because once he and Duchaine tried to get Nolvadex from Kerr, but Kerr didn't understand the thinking. Instead, Grymko had to go to a gay doctor named Jekot, who was very playful . I don't think anything too bad happened, but Duchaine accidentally told the story in MM2K, and it struck me funny.

[Van_Bilderass]

^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.

[Humble Narcissist]

Also, as an aside, Kerr was Duchaine early source for various things. If Kerr understood Duchaine's logic, he'd get the stuff for him. If not, then he wouldn't.

This relates to Grymkowski, because once he and Duchaine tried to get Nolvadex from Kerr, but Kerr didn't understand the thinking. Instead, Grymko had to go to a gay doctor named Jekot, who was very playful . I don't think anything too bad happened, but Duchaine accidentally told the story in MM2K, and it struck me funny.

Duchaine had a lot of funny stories in MM2K.  That was a ground breaking mag when it came out.

[BB]

^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.

Sure, but I posted just to reference the numbers that were showing up in writing even back then. I have a couple of other early "Big" steroid books from that era, I'll look and see if any other numbers were thrown out.

[IroNat]

Dianabol and Anadrol-50 stacked?  My liver hurts reading that.

No, that's not what I meant.  I meant one or the other.

[Van_Bilderass]

Sure, but I posted just to reference the numbers that were showing up in writing even back then. I have a couple of other early "Big" steroid books from that era, I'll look and see if any other numbers were thrown out.

Yeah I said it for the inexperienced guys here who might believe these stories. I mean tommywishbone thought 10 Anadrols a day is impossible though I know it has been done. But here is a doctor who thinks 50 Anadrols on top of 100 Anavar and 100 Dianabol sounds believable, not just for one day but for a stretch of time. Anyone can test this out by taking 10 Anadrols a day for a week and then give their opinion on whether the cycle above sounds real.
Billy Mimnaugh did some crazy shit but I doubt even he would believe that cycle.

[Van_Bilderass]

No, one or the other.

I did some experimenting early on and for me adding Anadrol to Dbol didn't add much. A little extra strength maybe. The liver could handle the combo fine if dosages and length of cycle was reasonable though, say 150mg total.
Dianabol for me pretty much topped out at 60mg, and I tried as much as 200mg. Maybe I didn't do enough to really see what it could do, like the fella who did 7,500mg per day according Kerr 

[IroNat]

It's all foolish.  Train natural or find another hobby.

[oldgolds]

Bodybuilding is all drugs period. Guys look like garbage once completely clean. The whole sport is a lie.

So true.....Train hard drug free, eat good and be happy with whatever level you reach.

[Hypertrophy]

It's all foolish.  Train natural or find another hobby.

Exactly.The notion that bodybuilding is supposed to be a healthy activity is lost on many.

[a_pupil]

I did some experimenting early on and for me adding Anadrol to Dbol didn't add much. A little extra strength maybe. The liver could handle the combo fine if dosages and length of cycle was reasonable though, say 150mg total.
Dianabol for me pretty much topped out at 60mg, and I tried as much as 200mg. Maybe I didn't do enough to really see what it could do, like the fella who did 7,500mg per day according Kerr 

Maybe you need to experiment for us lol.

I've got a tub of 500 x 10 mg blue Thai dbols from the old stash. I'm thinking just to use it up with a high dose cycle or 2 and forget about roids after that.

[ThisisOverload]

I can't imagine taking so many orals, once you get up to 100mg of Dbol per day you can feel it in your stomach. 

There is no way this guy took thousands of MG of injections per day, you don't have enough space in your muscles for that much oil; hell just shooting 3-4k per week you have to utilize a lot of different spots if you're taking short esters.

I've met some crazy people in the powerlifting world, most i heard someone admit to taking was 6g's of combined AAS per week. Mainly Test, Deca, EQ and Drol.  The guy was a gorilla and looked like he might stroke out at anytime, but he was strong as hell.  This one big guy who used to compete in strongman said he took 4-5g's of Test only per week, he said everything else was worthless.

I think it was Ryan Kennelly the "bench monster" who admitted to taking like 8 grams a week?  Said it took decades off his life; i guess you feel that way after you lose everything and go to prison.  I remember in some of his videos you could see the swelling in his deltoids from large injections.

[IroNat]

Peeps is crazy.

It takes certain genetics to survive a steroid assault like Grymko and Michalak.

Those guys took no prisoners.

Some people just go balls to the wall with no concern for tomorrow.  Not recommended.  Nuts.  Not cool.  Foolish.

It's crazy like playing Russian Roulette with your life, and for what?  Nobody gives two sh*ts who won Mr. World or their class in the Mr. A.

[Methyl m1ke]

Hmm intravenous steroids eh? His friends thought he was selling when steroids were still legal eh?

Sounds legit.

[Humble Narcissist]

Peeps is crazy.

It takes certain genetics to survive a steroid assault like Grymko and Michalak.

Those guys took no prisoners.

Some people just go balls to the wall with no concern for tomorrow.  Not recommended.  Nuts.  Not cool.  Foolish.

It's crazy like playing Russian Roulette with your life, and for what?  Nobody gives two sh*ts who won Mr. World or their class in the Mr. A.

Michalak must have had dinosaur genes to survive his training program as well.

[Methyl m1ke]

Also for what its worth ive heard quite a few times top pros stack dbol and anadrol together. Ive never taken anadrol and used dbol maybe 3-4 times and sporadically taken various pro hormones superdrol methylstenbolone couple designers and my experiences were all kind of the same. First week very little second and third weeks are unreal and im loving it 4th week um time to up the dosage? Fifth and sometimes sixth weeks im trying to catch whoever keeps breaking into my stash and swapping my good drugs for bunk ones. At that point out of sheer desperation ive added one oral or another rto the first to get things cooking again (too afraid ill shrink to drop the first) and ive always been let down. So im assuming thats how pros end up stacking the orals.

A story ive told before i vacationed with my family had to be 97 in lake tahoe and my step dad brought a buddy from work to help split the cost of the cabin. So this dude was still kind of jacked and the second i doubted his old gym stories from the 70s he produced from his wallet a picture of him (with hair) and Arnold. They looked like buddies. So anyway he was on a mission to convince me (i was 17 at the time) to never abuse steroids and he had heart problems now because of them gym buddies dropping like flies organ transplants all that bs. So he goes to tell me maybe if inused just a little id be ok but dont do it like he did and he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky. So he also says back then nobody knew how much to take it was all cutting edge lab rat stuff and he says everybody who worked out no matter how serious they were or werent no if it was your first workout in your life you took dianabol and when i asked how much he said a handful 3-4 times a day. He guessed he took 100 pills a day easy. Said arnold took twice as much (probably.)

I always wanted to know if he was telling the truth but he died a couple years later. Im still not 100% but i do believe he was an honest dude and he knew time was short and to be honest he was gung ho about my bodybuilding. He wanted me to be smart about it. Bless his heart.

[harmankardon1]

Maybe you need to experiment for us lol.

I've got a tub of 500 x 10 mg blue Thai dbols from the old stash. I'm thinking just to use it up with a high dose cycle or 2 and forget about roids after that.

I love those Thai dbols! they used to be my go to with tren... Used to be strong as fuck on em.

[harmankardon1]

The liver can take some serious abuse but some of these dianabol numbers are unsustainable,

also the negative effect on apetite would have made most of these guys hold back above 100mgs a day imo.

[Van_Bilderass]

I love those Thai dbols! they used to be my go to with tren... Used to be strong as fuck on em.

They were, are, great. I think he means the Danabol DS. Anabols were fantastic too, and there was Methandon out of Thailand as well that were top notch.

I have used thousands of each of these as well as half a dozen other Dianabols over 25 years and I'm still alive and liver values are in range. But I never tried 1500 tabs a day, not even a measly 100 tabs 

[a_pupil]

They were, are, great. I think he means the Danabol DS. Anabols were fantastic too, and there was Methandon out of Thailand as well that were top notch.

I have used thousands of each of these as well as half a dozen other Dianabols over 25 years and I'm still alive and liver values are in range. But I never tried 1500 tabs a day, not even a measly 100 tabs 

Some of the best times of my life were the early anabol cycles, gaining 25 lbs of bloof in 4 weeks 

[ESFitness]

I didn't look at the article but Pete has claimed he did 14,000mg of steroids a DAY for a few weeks. That's a HUNDRED GRAMS A WEEK. It's BS. I think he said he ordered whole pallets of steroid bottles for a cycle, thousands of bottles. It's just not possible.
I'm pretty sure there has never been an anabolic steroid IV ever produced, never heard of it anyway, never seen it mentioned in any study either. I know there are corticosteroid IVs but we are talking microgram or a few milligram a day amounts.

I know tommywishbone here, who has been around and knows his shit, says no one ever did 10 Anadrol a day. I know for a fact that it's possible and has been done but here we are talking about a guy who did 20 - 30 times that. Think about it, dude can't count or is just a liar.

well, you "can" shoot a lot of shit IV, provided it's water based (or even either PG/PPG? like valium is i believe? too lazy to check, but anyways)... in theory you could run test suspension or winstrol IV if it's filtered/diluted enough... technically, at least it's possible. even i don't think i'd risk the chance of an embolism. hell, back when i was kicking Nubain in 01, i was breaking open Benedryl capsules "cooking" 2 into about a cc of water, drawing up and injecting IV (without even filtering... i didn't even know about using a little balled up cotton swab to filter at that point), youd be surprised at when you can put in a vein and not just die straight away, kidneys gotta filter that shit though.

gotta consider a lot of what people believe about anabolics is just myth, still. so when guys like Bostin came out and talked about using 13g/wk people called him a liar and said he should be dead. same has gone for anadrol dosages. for years guys believed that if you took more than 100mg anadrol for any longer than 6 wks your liver would fail. Had ANY of them actually done any research, they'd find that 80lb anemic children can be prescribed 300-450mg/day for a MIN of 6-9months (yet underground bbing myth will have a healthy 220lb male bbers liver failing at 100mg for any longer than 6 wks.)

i dont doubt pete used a lot more than a lot of others, but i also dont think guys were as "scientific" with dosages back then. you'd always hear about Arnold saying "we'd debate taking 2 dbol tabs or 3"... dunno if i believe that shit, cuz guys like me or bostin or a thousand others where are curious and not really afraid of side effects (or just reckless) have been around forever and i'm sure Pete isn't the only guy who took anabolics by the "bottle" and not by the "milligram".... however i doubt he took "grams" of something like anadrol (was drol even around in the 70s??) 500mg/day sure, i can believe that... even a gram if he could stand it (some guys fuck up their appetites/stomachs/blood pressure)

[ESFitness]

^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.

id assume it'd be easier to throw those 300 dbol in a blender or food processor, mix'em with a shake and drink it rather than having a belly full of 300 hard tablets.

[Humble Narcissist]

Dianabol should be legal and over the counter.

[BB]

however i doubt he took "grams" of something like anadrol (was drol even around in the 70s??) 500mg/day sure, i can believe that... even a gram if he could stand it (some guys fuck up their appetites/stomachs/blood pressure)

Been around / in development since the late 50's at least, the earliest version was Parke Davis's Adroyd Tablets containing 2.5, 5, or 10 milligrams, circa 1960. Here's entry from the PDR of 1979 for Syntex's more common Anadrol 50  -

Anadrol 50 -

Dosage and Administration: The recommended daily dose in children and adults, 1-5 mg./kg. body weight per day. The usual effective dose is 1-2 mg./kg./day but higher doses may be required and the dose should be individualized. Response is not often immediate and a minimum trial of three to six months should be given. Following remission, some patients may be maintained without the drug; others may be maintained on an established lower daily dosage. A continued maintenance dose is usually necessary in patients with congenital aplastic anemia.

Availability: Anadrol-50 (oxymetholone) is available in bottles of 100 white scored tablets imprinted with the code "2902" and "Syntex".

[pkaz]

Doctor Robert Kerr, who was an early steroid researcher offered the following anecdotes in his 1982 book. Numbers were all over the map -

" Sometimes on the road to winning the athlete will be tempted to use anything and everything in order to reach his or her goals. Sixteen years ago, with no real medical guidance, the power lifters and particularly body builders, took literally "anything and everything" that they felt might give them some gains. At a popular southland weight training center some 15 or 16 years ago, the "usual" dose of anabolic steroids recommended to the novice, not by the gym management, but by other body builders was 100 Dianabol tablets, 100 Anavar tablets and perhaps 40 or 50 Anadrol tablets per day!

Can you imagine that? I'll bet that somewhere today someone is still taking similar amounts of medication with no more gains, I'll wager, than those on sensible doses. I spoke once to a world class competitor who admitted to me that he once felt it necessary to take 1500 Dianabol tablets each day! Even with Dianabol at $5.00 a hundred in those days, that's ridiculous just from the price alone, forgetting the expected side-effects from this dose.

One current patient of mine confided in me that he had once found an old medical text of his grandfather's a few years ago in the garage. In that old physician's journal it mentioned the good effects of strychnine on muscle tissue. The grandson did not read that the text said smooth muscle, not skeletal muscle. He probably would not have recognized the difference in any regard, but a great difference there is. Up until twelve or so years ago, strychnine was sold for various medicinal remedies, impotency was one. My patient thought he had fallen into a long forgotten secret from the past and somehow purchased some strychnine tablets and started taking one a day. One of his work-out partners somehow was let in on the supposed secret, and as he wanted to be even bigger than his partner, he took two tablets a day. Another acquaintance discovered the plot and as he wished to be bigger than the other two, he took ten tablets a day! He apparently soon became quite ill and the causative agent was brought to light. The boy lived but all concerned learned a lesson through the Emergency Room physician about strychnine poisoning.

I admire the courage of the one lad in confiding to me his nearly serious error, but, as you can see, some people will do almost anything to reach their goals! "

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" This last year I received the routine laboratory reports back from one of my old patients. He had stated that he was feeling fine and was preparing for a contest, but the liver tests were grossly abnormal. The lab, after seeing the results, ran a test for viral hepatitis and this was read as normal. So, I asked the patient to come in and see me. I read from his chart that he was taking four Anavar tablets per day and 100 mg. of Deca-Durabolin each week. I told him that I couldn't really imagine how that dose could cause the liver picture present on the lab test.

I told him that I thought that he was taking much more than that dosage. He confessed that while training for the contest, he had been unable to train as often as he would have liked due to his job. He was taking fourteen Dianabol and fourteen Maxibolin tablets with Deca-Durabolin and testosterone cypionate in rather large doses intramuscularly each day. No wonder his liver reacted!

After halting all the medication for one week, the liver tests returned to normal. They remained normal after he later returned to the Anavar and Deca-Durabolin dosage. He learned a lesson don't fool with mother nature by using too many steroidal drugs. "

I was a patient of Dr. Kerr through the early 80's. His protocols were not crazy and he work with Chris Dickerson to win the 82 Mr. Olympia.