How likely is it to restore fertility in someone who has been on gear for 5 yrs+

[IroNat]

Maybe female sperm can swim further but what can they bench?

They divorce the male sperm and take the bench and the house.

[Humble Narcissist]

Friend was on gear for a while, thought he was unable to have kids He was able to have 1 kid by accident. After the first one, he been trying for 6 years to have another. Not happening.

Is he sure the first kid was his?

[HTexan]

Is he sure the first kid was his?

Yup, dude had dna test done

[stavios]

Almost 10 years on, only a few weeks off here and there.

Got off
Took hcg, clomid and hmg.
3 months later wife was pregnant.

[IroNat]

Is he sure the first kid was his?

Looks like him too!

[Humble Narcissist]

 

[ThisisOverload]

I've been using off and on for about 15 years, sometimes going years at a time without doing nothing other than cruising a few months a year.  Back in 2009 when I was on a few grams of gear (test/deca/drol) I got my girlfriend at the time pregnant, she lost the child in a miscarriage a few months in.  I only take TRT now and two years ago I had a sperm count done and it was fine, I'm in my late 30's.  My health is great, but i have to watch my blood pressure closely, it may be genetic, but once I hit 35 I had to stay under 220 pounds or my BP got crazy high.  So i focus on staying lean year round and don't care about gaining size.

I'm not sure the science behind gear users having girls, but i know 10 years ago or so a forum member on a lot of the private gear forums started polls on the subject and it was almost 70% girls.  There has to be something behind it.

The biggest fear you should have of coming off after many years is the emotional rollercoaster.  Some guys get it worse than others, but when i came off with PCT after blasting and cruising for about 8 years i was in a very deep depression for about 8 months.  It was crazy, i had zero energy, no ambition and no sex drive.  I've never had depression before that time and it was a shit show, i lost a job, left my girlfriend and started drinking heavily; just be aware of that as it happens quite often.

[IroNat]

It's called hypogonadism.  It happens to steroid users who stay on too long.  They mess themselves up.

The real question is why would you ever want to mess yourself up like that?  To have muscles that will only disappear if you ever go off?

In the old days before steroid users became idiots, guys only took steroids leading up to a show for 6-8 weeks.  After the show they went off and recovered.  They only did a show or two a year so plenty of time to recover.  They also didn't use insane amounts of steroids.

Now you have Joe-Nobody-Gym-Dude who is on 24/7/365 so he can have gym muscles and a beach body.  For this he screws up his body's hormone system and has to take more drugs to restart it.  Then he goes right back to screwing himself up.  Then he has to take hormone shots for the rest of his life because his testes are dead.  Idiotic.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/male-hypogonadism/symptoms-causes/syc-20354881

"Male hypogonadism is a condition in which the body doesn't produce enough of the hormone that plays a key role in masculine growth and development during puberty (testosterone) or enough sperm or both."

[Humble Narcissist]

With all the depression coming off gear, I'm surprised there aren't more suicides.

[ThisisOverload]

With all the depression coming off gear, I'm surprised there aren't more suicides.

Yeah for sure, but I think this is why you see so many former users turn to drugs/alcohol.  Look at all the BB'ers male and female that went into a downward spiral.

[ESFitness]

well, you can pop out babies even while still on gear (heavy gear, 3+g test plus grams of other stuff, tren included) just by doing a couple blasts of HCG.. like 5000iu a week for a couple weeks. always worked for me... and yes, the kids are all mine. DNA tests to show for it lol

[Humble Narcissist]

well, you can pop out babies even while still on gear (heavy gear, 3+g test plus grams of other stuff, tren included) just by doing a couple blasts of HCG.. like 5000iu a week for a couple weeks. always worked for me... and yes, the kids are all mine. DNA tests to show for it lol

That is smart getting DNA tests.

[Van_Bilderass]

The real question is why would you ever want to mess yourself up like that?  To have muscles that will only disappear if you ever go off?

In the old days before steroid users became idiots, guys only took steroids leading up to a show for 6-8 weeks.  After the show they went off and recovered.  They only did a show or two a year so plenty of time to recover.  They also didn't use insane amounts of steroids.

That's not quite how it is or was. You can cycle and come off but if you did any steroids worth speaking of you can count on being permanently hypogonadal. Every old school bb is either on HRT or has levels way lower than they would have been otherwise. And that pattern of use was not how it was, more like 6 months on for a show, 4 months off. No champion did just 6 weeks of roids, that's hardly enough time to really grow. Things are just starting to get good at 8 weeks. Sure you grow from the minute you start but 6 or 8 weeks is just not enough time to build. Sure, if some pro didn't get too far out of shape they may do a rushed prep of 8 weeks but to think anyone only did 6-8 weeks for shows is not how it was.

Robbie Robinson claims have been clean for years and that his test is high. It's complete bullshit, he is on and has been on for decades. Robbie is one of those guys who claimed tiny doses for a few weeks precontest.

[Griffith]

Almost 10 years on, only a few weeks off here and there.

Got off
Took hcg, clomid and hmg.
3 months later wife was pregnant.

Did natural test levels recover?

[G_Thang]

What was the question?

Ronnie has like 7 or 8 girls and 1 boy.  What's the catch with gear and girls?  It's also kind of freaky they all have his face but the boy.   

[Humble Narcissist]

Ronnie has like 7 or 8 girls and 1 boy.  What's the catch with gear and girls?  It's also kind of freaky they all have his face but the boy.   

Maybe Ronnie's daughters will produce lots of grandsons for him.  When I was young there was a married couple at church that had 6 girls.  When they grew up one of the girls had 8 boys.

[NickEdge779]

I want to give an update on this thread. I was on gear for 5 years straight and had never come off. I cut everything, and 2 weeks later, I started a PCT of 1500iu HCG every other day and 100mg clomid a day and 20mg nolvadex a day. Still on PCT currently, and I definitely feel WAY better. I was expecting to feel depressed, but not at all. My mood is much better, I have way more energy, I'm happier too. I think high doses of test were bogging me down and making me lethargic. I feel like a new person, and my libido is sky high and I haven't lost any weight or strength in the gym. Hoping to get the wife pregnant

[IroNat]

I want to give an update on this thread. I was on gear for 5 years straight and had never come off. I cut everything, and 2 weeks later, I started a PCT of 1500iu HCG every other day and 100mg clomid a day and 20mg nolvadex a day. Still on PCT currently, and I definitely feel WAY better. I was expecting to feel depressed, but not at all. My mood is much better, I have way more energy, I'm happier too. I think high doses of test were bogging me down and making me lethargic. I feel like a new person, and my libido is sky high and I haven't lost any weight or strength in the gym. Hoping to get the wife pregnant

Hey, you feel great, which is good, but your still using.  Will you have to use for the rest of your life now?

[IroNat]

That's not quite how it is or was. You can cycle and come off but if you did any steroids worth speaking of you can count on being permanently hypogonadal. Every old school bb is either on HRT or has levels way lower than they would have been otherwise. And that pattern of use was not how it was, more like 6 months on for a show, 4 months off. No champion did just 6 weeks of roids, that's hardly enough time to really grow. Things are just starting to get good at 8 weeks. Sure you grow from the minute you start but 6 or 8 weeks is just not enough time to build. Sure, if some pro didn't get too far out of shape they may do a rushed prep of 8 weeks but to think anyone only did 6-8 weeks for shows is not how it was.

Robbie Robinson claims have been clean for years and that his test is high. It's complete bullshit, he is on and has been on for decades. Robbie is one of those guys who claimed tiny doses for a few weeks precontest.

Of course the guys at the top used large amounts for long periods and messed themselves up.  You are making my point.

There are plenty of guys who competed and used lower amounts and/or shorter cycles or competed for a short time and are fine. 

But this also raises the question as to why someone who is not a top level competitor, who only is a gym-bro, would use steroids, etc. to the point of messing himself up?  There appears to be many on this board in that situation.  For what?

[ESFitness]

i knew when i did my first injection on my 17th bday that i'd be 'on' for the rest of my life... also 'knew', or at least thought, i wouldn't have to worry about getting anyone pregnant (hence me NEVER wrapping it up, ever, nor pulling out, ever...  ), and my kids for the most part are all from doing shots of HCG (5000iu once a week for 2wks usually), but fuck me had a 'pregnancy scare' (not really a 'scare', since i was cool with it) with the gf couple months ago. Me being 38 and being on HRT for the past like 8months (& OFF-off for like 2yrs prior) after being pretty much 'on' nonstop since 17 (with a 5-6yr period of just HRT in between), and her being 22 and prolly getting pregnant the 1st time we f'd... so it happens, i suppose. But my natural test levels without HRT are sub-100 and with HRT they'll move 1,200/1,400ng/dl-700/750ng/dl...

all that being said, it depends. you'll hear dave palumbo talk about working with Bostin and his fertility stuff and telling bostin all the dudes you hear about getting gf/wifes pregnant while on cycle were all black or 'latino', maybe that has something to do with it (the gf above is black/mex/spanish so who knows?), but generally big blasts of HCG and possibly clomid should be enough in the short term to get someone pregnant. keep in mind that if you give hER clomid, the chances of her having twins/trips etc ijcreases (or so i believe?).

[illuminati]

Those of us that have taken & or using PEDs
We all have different opinions & experiences
Other than the individual & wife / immediate family
Who Really gives a Damn who takes what & how much & for how long?

Will my muscles disappear if I stop using likely reduce in size yes
Just as if I stopped going to the gym - So muscle mass wether “Natural” 🙄
Or PED enhanced are all Temporary.

Sorry I don’t get the whole fascination of he did / didn’t use.
It don’t affect me 1 iota.