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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #225 on: November 24, 2020, 05:51:13 AM »
   Yes genetics!!   Do you not understand that genetics determines everything.  You will only get so big due to GENETICS. The peaks are determined by GENETICS. The chest split is determined by GENETICS. Do we really need to explain this to you or anyone who is even remotely familiar with bodybuilding?. Everyone can improve no matter what. So yes benches may not make your chest grow but flys might. That by itself doesnt mean GENETICS. that just means your body doesnt grow from benches.  Maybe your doing it wrong maybe to heavy maybe not heavy enough etc. Thats not genetics. How big and developed you become is GENETICS.

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #226 on: November 24, 2020, 05:56:39 AM »
    And pellius your right about the bowling etc. Once i was holding my newborn nephew for about 15 or 20 minutes. Of course i was holding him tight and nervous etc. Afterwards I was sore for days in my biceps. Worse than any workout. Now did i grow from that?  lmao  Soreness really just tells us what bodypart did something new. Doesnt always ( if at all ) means growth

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #227 on: November 24, 2020, 09:21:11 AM »
   Yes genetics!!   Do you not understand that genetics determines everything.  You will only get so big due to GENETICS. The peaks are determined by GENETICS. The chest split is determined by GENETICS. Do we really need to explain this to you or anyone who is even remotely familiar with bodybuilding?. Everyone can improve no matter what. So yes benches may not make your chest grow but flys might. That by itself doesnt mean GENETICS. that just means your body doesnt grow from benches.  Maybe your doing it wrong maybe to heavy maybe not heavy enough etc. Thats not genetics. How big and developed you become is GENETICS.

There are better and worse exercises and better and worse ways to do them but do you really think someone who could not make their chest grow at all with barbell benches suddenly will make it grow with flies?
Why is this scenario unlikely? Because the barbell bench will hit chest no matter what in anyone, there is no way to do it without engaging the pectorals. Yes some may feel it isn't optimal for their structure and hurts their shoulders or whatever, but my point still stands. Therefore I say that genetics is the prime factor in development, not exercise selection. Genetics as in having enough fibers to work with.

Another example would be quads. If the genetics for good quads are there, both squats and leg presses will hypertrophy them. Squats may hurt a guys hips or lower back but it's not like the squats won't grow the quads at all whereas they suddenly explode with growth on leg presses.
Any number of exercises that hit the area will work. Some a little better, some a little worse but the exercise selection is somewhat secondary.


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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #228 on: November 24, 2020, 10:29:12 AM »
"Lower" chest. ::)

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« Reply #229 on: November 24, 2020, 10:39:59 AM »
wrong again. smh.  some people are designed to get more out of certain exercises than others. so if a guy does benches super fast in order to bounce the weight back up his chest is gonna grow no matter what?  hmmmm do you see people bouncing flys to get it back up?  no. cuz they can injure themselves so they do it better and it works the pecs much more. what about barbell curls? you see guys throwing the weight up swinging their backs in order to get the weight up. hmmm better than concentration curls or dumbell curls on incline bench?  not even close. again you fail to understand that you have to stimulate the muscle fibers in order for something to happen to grow etc. certain exercises for some people no matter what they do doesnt stimulate the body part they are trying to develop.. Im a big believer in squats but if your lower back is weak it gives out before you stimulate the thighs so there fore leg presses might be better or hacks or extensions done first to pre exhaust thighs before squating. my point is not every exercise hits the same for everyone. and not everyone grows the same. growth strength etc are all from genetics. how you respond to drugs is also genetics.. you can improve your lifting form etc but that doesnt always help. a guy with short arms and big chest can bench more and get better pec contractions ( usually) than a guy with long arms and sunken chest. however any type of isolation exercise for any body part does just that. it isolates the muscle your trying too develop.   case closed   

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« Reply #230 on: November 24, 2020, 10:42:54 AM »
wrong again. smh.  some people are designed to get more out of certain exercises than others. so if a guy does benches super fast in order to bounce the weight back up his chest is gonna grow no matter what?  hmmmm do you see people bouncing flys to get it back up?  no. cuz they can injure themselves so they do it better and it works the pecs much more. what about barbell curls? you see guys throwing the weight up swinging their backs in order to get the weight up. hmmm better than concentration curls or dumbell curls on incline bench?  not even close. again you fail to understand that you have to stimulate the muscle fibers in order for something to happen to grow etc. certain exercises for some people no matter what they do doesnt stimulate the body part they are trying to develop.. Im a big believer in squats but if your lower back is weak it gives out before you stimulate the thighs so there fore leg presses might be better or hacks or extensions done first to pre exhaust thighs before squating. my point is not every exercise hits the same for everyone. and not everyone grows the same. growth strength etc are all from genetics. how you respond to drugs is also genetics.. you can improve your lifting form etc but that doesnt always help. a guy with short arms and big chest can bench more and get better pec contractions ( usually) than a guy with long arms and sunken chest. however any type of isolation exercise for any body part does just that. it isolates the muscle your trying too develop.   case closed

Cliff notes = It's all genetics.

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #231 on: November 24, 2020, 10:44:27 AM »
lower chest. lol  i agree. why is it pretty much only the chest people say lower middle upper outer inner etc.  lmao.  what about lats? thighs? calves? cracks me up. ive had guys come to me saying i a doing declines inclines flats  crossovers and flyes. but my chest isnt growing.  i say why you doing all that?  they say i want to build my upper my lower my middle my inner my outer  chest.  i laugh my ass off and say dude first build a chest. then see what ares are lacking.    they get pissed but its the truth. .  you may hit a body part slightly different from one exercise to another but this whole upper lower outer etc is crazy.

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« Reply #232 on: November 24, 2020, 11:12:01 AM »
wrong again. smh.  some people are designed to get more out of certain exercises than others. so if a guy does benches super fast in order to bounce the weight back up his chest is gonna grow no matter what?  hmmmm do you see people bouncing flys to get it back up?  no. cuz they can injure themselves so they do it better and it works the pecs much more. what about barbell curls? you see guys throwing the weight up swinging their backs in order to get the weight up. hmmm better than concentration curls or dumbell curls on incline bench?  not even close. again you fail to understand that you have to stimulate the muscle fibers in order for something to happen to grow etc. certain exercises for some people no matter what they do doesnt stimulate the body part they are trying to develop..

No one does benches with all bounce and zero pec involvement. Show me a bodybuilder who does that?
This strictness argument is actually an interesting topic. Do you need deliberate contractions and full range of motion to develop a muscle? When I thought of bouncing benches who comes to mind? Branch Warren. Absolute shit form, bouncing and half range movements. However, huge fucking chest. So while execution matters, absolutely it does, evidently it's not critical to grow. You need to stimulate the muscle but bouncing and cheating does that too, sometimes even more than strict form imo, but that's a longer discussion.
Ronnie's form was absolute shit on everything and he was the most developed bb of all time.

Arnold did a lot of cheat curls too  :D

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #233 on: November 24, 2020, 11:17:56 AM »
Lol, look at Branch doing inclines at 5 minutes or so. Then quarter range bouncing dumbells.

Fuck, look at 5 minutes. LMAO.



Big fucking pecs though  :D


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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #234 on: November 24, 2020, 11:22:54 AM »
Drugs > Training

I've met a lot of big dudes that trained like idiots. All the way big dudes.

Look at the videos of the young Pros people post on here. Their form is garbage most of the time. Half reps, cheat curls, etc.

We got spoiled with Ronnie. One of the few guys that had pretty good form on all lifts.

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« Reply #235 on: November 24, 2020, 11:24:55 AM »


We got spoiled with Ronnie. One of the few guys that had pretty good form on all lifts.

Not sure if serious  ??? ??? ???

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« Reply #236 on: November 24, 2020, 11:39:06 AM »
Not sure if serious  ??? ??? ???

Compared to most Pro's I always thought his form was decent. I haven't seen a Pro with good form in a long time. Dorian was pretty good too.

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« Reply #237 on: November 24, 2020, 12:21:37 PM »
Compared to most Pro's I always thought his form was decent. I haven't seen a Pro with good form in a long time. Dorian was pretty good too.

Dorian was textbook. Ronnie was pretty horrible tbh. Training style is something innate, never changes, even today Ronnie looks like he has zero control of the movements. Tons of momentum and avoiding hard deliberate contractions.

Think about how Ronnie did rows, for example t-bars. Compare to Dorian's rows.

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« Reply #238 on: November 24, 2020, 02:12:16 PM »
Dorian was textbook. Ronnie was pretty horrible tbh. Training style is something innate, never changes, even today Ronnie looks like he has zero control of the movements. Tons of momentum and avoiding hard deliberate contractions.

Think about how Ronnie did rows, for example t-bars. Compare to Dorian's rows.

Yeah you're right, I hadn't watched one of his training videos in a while. On the heavier sets Ronnie's form is trash.  He just powers through everything.

Dorian is much more strict and controlled.

One is still healthy and the other destroyed his body.

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #239 on: November 24, 2020, 03:14:46 PM »
   well thank you so much for proving my point about genetics.  WHEN you have great GENETICS anything you do will work.  Hell do a curl and your pecs will grow. lol  A calf raise and your lats flare out.   ( ok its an exaggeration but hopefully people get my point)  when you have genetics you grow easier than others.  Theres a saying in gyms  "if you want to get big and strong go to the biggest strongest guy in the gym and ask him how he did it.  then do the exact opposite!! )  cuz he was gonna grow no matter what he did.  When you have sub par genetics you dont grow easy and you have to find ways to help.  Again using the bench as an example you might bench 300 but never get decent pecs. That exercise may not work for you. So try something else. My point is dont be stuck to doing something just because everyone says it works. If your not growing or changing then try something else. Lets take boyer coe. Im sure he tried every ab program known to man but he never got abs. why?  GENETICS.  How many people copied dorians version of the bent row?  who got a back like his? no one. why? GENETICS.  he could of done sit ups and built his back.  lol. 

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #240 on: November 24, 2020, 04:36:40 PM »
    And pellius your right about the bowling etc. Once i was holding my newborn nephew for about 15 or 20 minutes. Of course i was holding him tight and nervous etc. Afterwards I was sore for days in my biceps. Worse than any workout. Now did i grow from that?  lmao  Soreness really just tells us what bodypart did something new. Doesnt always ( if at all ) means growth

Dingding!  We have a winner :)

When I was intimate with my first real girlfriend, I was barely twenty, so I could go for a long time.

The day after, I experienced soreness in parts of my body that were hitherto untouched by many years of full squatting and stiff-legged deads. 

Soreness is definitely not a primary driver for hypertrophy.  Even Mentzer ruled that out.

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #241 on: November 24, 2020, 10:58:25 PM »
Dingding!  We have a winner :)

When I was intimate with my first real girlfriend, I was barely twenty, so I could go for a long time.

The day after, I experienced soreness in parts of my body that were hitherto untouched by many years of full squatting and stiff-legged deads. 

Soreness is definitely not a primary driver for hypertrophy.  Even Mentzer ruled that out.

It was her loose pussy which caused you to use all the stabilizing muscles not accustomed to being activated.

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« Reply #243 on: December 05, 2020, 04:05:00 PM »
Dorian was textbook. Ronnie was pretty horrible tbh. Training style is something innate, never changes, even today Ronnie looks like he has zero control of the movements. Tons of momentum and avoiding hard deliberate contractions.

Think about how Ronnie did rows, for example t-bars. Compare to Dorian's rows.
And yet he built more muscle than anyone? ???

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« Reply #244 on: December 05, 2020, 04:13:44 PM »
Yeah you're right, I hadn't watched one of his training videos in a while. On the heavier sets Ronnie's form is trash.  He just powers through everything.

Dorian is much more strict and controlled.

One is still healthy and the other destroyed his body.
Again...It's not a competition about ''who has better form''...no, it's about bodybuilding, stimulating muscle growth, sometimes ballistic movements will give you the most growth, perfect form won't build much muscle, at least for me perfect form doesn't build much (I train similar to Ronnie and Branch but not exactly, I also prefer high reps, everything 10+ reps up to 300 reps)

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Re: the secret to big chest is lower chest
« Reply #245 on: December 05, 2020, 06:33:08 PM »
It was her loose pussy which caused you to use all the stabilizing muscles not accustomed to being activated.

Hahaha

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« Reply #246 on: December 06, 2020, 01:10:40 PM »
It was her loose pussy which caused you to use all the stabilizing muscles not accustomed to being activated.

 :D  ;D

Pretty funny :)

FWIW, she was surprisingly tight for a 37-year-old broad who'd pumped out four kids.

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« Reply #247 on: December 06, 2020, 01:36:57 PM »
Lol, look at Branch doing inclines at 5 minutes or so. Then quarter range bouncing dumbells.

Fuck, look at 5 minutes. LMAO.



Big fucking pecs though  :D

why cant they just rack the fucking dumbells, I would throw him out if it was my gym

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« Reply #248 on: December 07, 2020, 02:36:25 PM »
why cant they just rack the fucking dumbells, I would throw him out if it was my gym

Because they are hardcore warriors of the iron. ;D

Branch is a legit midget.

He has short man syndrome so bad.

His body is wrecked because he trained like this.

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« Reply #249 on: December 09, 2020, 08:24:31 PM »
why cant they just rack the fucking dumbells, I would throw him out if it was my gym

This 100%.  Two fucking 1st rate Assholes.