MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!

[Van_Bilderass]

So first it's all about fast acting slin. Milos is all about Humalog/Novolog.
In and out. Cram those nutrients in and then get back to baseline. But now it's the opposite. The slowest acting insulin. The one that is supposed to be active for 24 hours. Gets confusing.

Since Lantas is a lot harder and a lot more expensive to get would you get the same effect using Novolin N which I think is an 8-hour slin and inject 3 times a day? Both R and N is $25 at Walmart.

For glucose control you could use the N. Hard to say if Lantus is better for growth. Here is an interesting post from professionalmuscle:

Tell him he needs to buy a glucose monitor to begin testing at home. The most accurate is the Bayer Contour. I use the Next One personally. You can Google "glucometer accuracy study" for the data if interested. Strips can be costly. Best place to buy them is eBay. The Contour strips have been tested for accuracy I believe it was 2 years post expiration but without a doubt, they are good for 1 year post expire. So your best deal by far for frequent testing is to buy expired strips on eBay. You can also Google for the accuracy testing study. If you don't mind throwing money down the drain buy them wherever. Be very careful which monitor you use, many are next to useless for pre-diabetes. Personally, I would only use Bayer Contour. A one time glucose reading doesn't tell the whole story, but he is definitely likely to have impaired glucose tolerance secondary to exogenous GH. It's something me and really almost everyone frankly who has used GH for any decent period of time at high enough dose has had to deal with. He could be experiencing a pronounced dawn effect which can be exacerbated by fasting and stimulants. This is what was happening to me. Google dawn effect if you don't know what I'm talking about. I find this is extremely common with GH. In my case, A1C was fine, postprandial glucose (1-2h post-meal) later in the day was also fine. Glucose was also fine upon waking 6-8h fasted, though higher vs no exogenous GH still under 100 or right at it. Fasting and stims would increase it to pre-diabetes levels (101-125). Research catecholamines and glucose if you don't know what I'm saying. Natural catecholamines are the reason for the dawn effect and it's exacerbated with caffeine, ephedrine, modafinil, etc. I wouldn't say this is the same as DMT2 in an obese sedentary person though it does meet the diagnostic criteria for DMT2. In my experience, it won't usually get worse than this. But it is glucose intolerance and it does need to be addressed either through cessation of GH or use of metformin, insulin, berberine, gymnema and Cinsulin. In his particular case since he doesn't compete or even take AAS/T cessation is the only logical course. Once glucose has stabilized, he can resume at 2 IU qhs 5d qwk, increasing to a max of 4-5 IU qhs 5d qwk after adding metformin XR at 2gm qd if glucose levels allow. I'd also add berberine at 1200-1500 mg qd, gymnema at 400-500mg, Cinsulin at 500mg. I'd not resume the a.m. dose. The 2 days off GH should be on days off training. It's entirely possible that his glucose upon waking 8h fasted was much closer to 100, then he used GH, drank some coffee, fasted longer then his body dumped glucose from the liver because it felt like it needed glucose and had the catecholamines available to make it happen. Also worse if he didn't train the night before which he shouldn't be doing due to liver enzyme levels. If you're a competitive bodybuilder and experiencing this and don't want to get off GH just use insulin. Anyone on GH I believe should have insulin on hand to manage glucose as needed. Go to Walmart and buy an NPH and an R for $25 each. If you want to waste your money on Lantus, Levemir, Humalog, etc that's your business. Studies shave shown clearly that NPH is equally or more efficacious as basal insulin as Lantus, Levemir, etc. Same for R vs log. If you have high fasting glucose secondary to GH on metformin, add NPH qhs on GH days starting at 10 iu and titrate to response, increasing by 5iu, measured by your Contour. Add R a.m. until you get your basal bedtime dose adjusted and thereafter preprandial as needed if postprandial glucose becomes an issue. You should not spike more than 140 postprandial. Using insulin to control glucose on GH is much better than allowing elevated glucose. If you fear it, GH use may not be for you. The same way people say have anti E on hand if needed for T/AAS, you should probably initiate metformin regardless if on GH and have insulin on hand with a Contour monitor that you use multiple times per day. This will allow you to assess the dawn effect, postprandial glucose, etc. If you're on GH at 4IU or greater qd and haven't had blood work 12h fasted on stims, don't monitor at home and are not on metformin, it is highly probable that you are no different than this guy with the 125 fasted x 12h. Also, this guy likely needs TRT and is just being stupid. LMK if you have questions. 

Rex
 

I am using Toujeo, which is an even longer acting version of Lantus.

[pellius]

For glucose control you could use the N. Hard to say if Lantus is better for growth. Here is an interesting post from professionalmuscle:


I am using Toujeo, which is an even longer acting version of Lantus.

With how much GH?

[Van_Bilderass]

With how much GH?

Unfortunately none. I'm not taking a lot of insulin, just 12iu of the Toujeo daily because I got it for free. Novolog at 10-12iu before some workouts.

[pellius]

Unfortunately none. I'm not taking a lot of insulin, just 12iu of the Toujeo daily because I got it for free. Novolog at 10-12iu before some workouts.

I assume then that you are having an intra-workout drink when you take the Log right before training. What is contained in that to make sure you are covered?

[Van_Bilderass]

I assume then that you are having an intra-workout drink when you take the Log right before training. What is contained in that to make sure you are covered?

I just use maltodextrin with something like Crystal Light or just a nice flavored amino like Xtend or an EAA blend. Dextrose works too, Milos still thinks it's not worth it to use anything else because it works well and is dirt cheap. But I find it sickeningly sweet, malto is bland. I sometimes use Vitargo for carbs because I like the texture and mouth feel of it but it's expensive.

[pellius]

I just use maltodextrin with something like Crystal Light or just a nice flavored amino like Xtend or an EAA blend. Dextrose works too, Milos still thinks it's not worth it to use anything else because it works well and is dirt cheap. But I find it sickeningly sweet, malto is bland. I sometimes use Vitargo for carbs because I like the texture and mouth feel of it but it's expensive.

Dextrose and Glucose are basically the some thing and what all carbs are eventually broken down to . So it would seem to make sense to give the body something that it naturally uses anyway. The rage seems to be Cluster Dextrose. I'm not sure why this is better. I've read that it passes through the stomach much faster BUT also provides a sustained release of energy so you don't get that spike in blood sugar. It seems contradictory, but assuming these claims are true, how much of a difference does it really make to justify 10x the cost? How much faster does it pass the stomach than dextrose and does it matter. I use to work with a guy who was type 2 and every now and then he'd go hypo. He'd have to sit down and would start sweating like crazy but then he would pop a few Glucose tabs and within minutes he'd be fine. Seems to work pretty fast and it always surprised me that it didn't take much. I mean, those tabs are like what? Four grams of sugar? He'd take maybe about 4 or so. Sixteen grams doesn't seem like much to elevate your blood sugar levels from, I assume, is at less than 60 mg/dl or so?

[joswift]

Dextrose and Glucose are basically the some thing and what all carbs are eventually broken down to . So it would seem to make sense to give the body something that it naturally uses anyway. The rage seems to be Cluster Dextrose. I'm not sure why this is better. I've read that it passes through the stomach much faster BUT also provides a sustained release of energy so you don't get that spike in blood sugar. It seems contradictory, but assuming these claims are true, how much of a difference does it really make to justify 10x the cost? How much faster does it pass the stomach than dextrose and does it matter. I use to work with a guy who was type 2 and every now and then he'd go hypo. He'd have to sit down and would start sweating like crazy but then he would pop a few Glucose tabs and within minutes he'd be fine. Seems to work pretty fast and it always surprised me that it didn't take much. I mean, those tabs are like what? Four grams of sugar? He'd take maybe about 4 or so. Sixteen grams doesn't seem like much to elevate your blood sugar levels from, I assume, is at less than 60 mg/dl or so?

I know a guy who carries Jelly Babies (sweets)around if he has an attack 4 jelly babies sorts him out, each one has 4 gms sugar, so the 16 gms must have some merit

[Van_Bilderass]

Dextrose and Glucose are basically the some thing and what all carbs are eventually broken down to . So it would seem to make sense to give the body something that it naturally uses anyway. The rage seems to be Cluster Dextrose. I'm not sure why this is better. I've read that it passes through the stomach much faster BUT also provides a sustained release of energy so you don't get that spike in blood sugar. It seems contradictory, but assuming these claims are true, how much of a difference does it really make to justify 10x the cost? How much faster does it pass the stomach than dextrose and does it matter. I use to work with a guy who was type 2 and every now and then he'd go hypo. He'd have to sit down and would start sweating like crazy but then he would pop a few Glucose tabs and within minutes he'd be fine. Seems to work pretty fast and it always surprised me that it didn't take much. I mean, those tabs are like what? Four grams of sugar? He'd take maybe about 4 or so. Sixteen grams doesn't seem like much to elevate your blood sugar levels from, I assume, is at less than 60 mg/dl or so?

Glucose and dextrose are different names for the aame thing yes.

A few weeks back I was at the doctors office, had taken Latus 4 hours previously and not eaten. Suddenly I went hypo and had to tell a nurse. I wasn't in any danger but was sweating like crazy. They scrambled and got me glucosee tabs and even a sandwich. In 5 minutes I was fine.

This is a reception area in a gym in Hungary. Glucose tabs for the bodybuilders.

[joswift]

glucose mixed with piss and shit

[airman23]

I recently told the story of a bb by the name Mike "Wheels." He blamed his cardiomyoparhy on Milos' prescribed 30-50iu of slin. What he forgot to say is that he was on like 3 grams of baseline test with a dozen other compounds on top. Milos told him to slash his total steroid load to like a gram a week but increase his insulin slightly. And the insulin damaged his heart Lol.

The other thing that Mike omitted when he blames Milos for his heart issues, is that on Leo's podcast he talks about getting into drugs when he was 11 or 12 years old, and by grade 9 (14 years old) he was doing cocaine.  I'm not a doctor, but I think you are more likely to develop heart issues from cocaine than from insulin.

He talks about it here at around the 3:00 minute mark:

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