MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!

[affeman]

In a video series this week Roman is talking about all his cycles from day 1 (age 17) on.

In 2016 he placed 4th at the Tampa Pro and up until this point his use was pretty moderate (around 700 mg Test per week; stacked with some Equipoise and Deca in the Off-Season, and with Winnies the last few weeks b4 the competition; GH only up to 3 IUs per day). After Tampa Milos got in touch with him and gave him a new protocol, and Roman said it's like insane what this guy wanted him to take - like everything there is simultaneously, just with stupidly switching of esters etc. every 3 weeks, and also completely senseless switches in aromatase inhibitors (like one day arimidex, the next day exemestane, the next day letrozole etc, then all over again ). Besides eg 100 mg Anadrol/day and 1 gr of Test per week Milos had him immediately on 8 IUs of GH/day (the most he ever had taken b4 that was 3 IUs) and 25 IUs of rapid Slin 4 times per day intravenous (!!) together with L-carnitine lol

He quit the protocol after a few weeks, BP was through the roof, he wasn't able to train anymore because he was so pumped after 1 warm-up set that he couldn't do one full rep anymore, and his entire body felt like it was about to implode. Squatting he started off his first warm-up set with 315, because with lighter weight he wasn't able to even bend his knees and get down in the squat position, because his legs were so pumped just from warming up on the bike

I don't even wanna know how many unknown amateurs are 6 feet under because of that guy:

[Body-Buildah]

Yet on Fouad's latest show, he said he's taking 8 units of GH a day still.
said he had to go up a shoe-size recently.

Healthy and normal...

[Bevo]

Yet on Fouad's latest show, he said he's taking 8 units of GH a day still.
said he had to go up a shoe-size recently.

Healthy and normal...

He still got ways to go to chase jumbo palumbo with his clown shoe size 16

[Bevo]

In a video series this week Roman is talking about all his cycles from day 1 (age 17) on.

In 2016 he placed 4th at the Tampa Pro and up until this point his use was pretty moderate (around 700 mg Test per week; stacked with some Equipoise and Deca in the Off-Season, and with Winnies the last few weeks b4 the competition; GH only up to 3 IUs per day). After Tampa Milos got in touch with him and gave him a new protocol, and Roman said it's like insane what this guy wanted him to take - like everything there is simultaneously, just with stupidly switching of esters etc. every 3 weeks, and also completely senseless switches in aromatase inhibitors (like one day arimidex, the next day exemestane, the next day letrozole etc, then all over again ). Besides eg 100 mg Anadrol/day and 1 gr of Test per week Milos had him immediately on 8 IUs of GH/day (the most he ever had taken b4 that was 3 IUs) and 25 IUs of rapid Slin 4 times per day intravenous (!!) together with L-carnitine lol

He quit the protocol after a few weeks, BP was through the roof, he wasn't able to train anymore because he was so pumped after 1 warm-up set that he couldn't do one full rep anymore, and his entire body felt like it was about to implode. Squatting he started off his first warm-up set with 315, because with lighter weight he wasn't able to even bend his knees and get down in the squat position, because his legs were so pumped just from warming up on the bike

I don't even wanna know how many unknown amateurs are 6 feet under because of that guy:

According to bhanky the sweet spot for gh is 30 IU’s a day

Take as much you can afford was the advice

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't know about the intravenuous slin. I feel like we would've heard about it before if it was something he did. It's possible but it's strange this is the first time I've heard of it. I've even seen some of Milos' plans in confidence and I never saw anything about IV slin.

Everyone says Milos' steroid doses are way low compared to all the other gurus. It's just that he relies so much on insulin instead. 100iu of insulin a day isn't necessarily very extreme either if that is the peak dose with twice daily workouts. These days a lot of guys gravitate towards Lantus which Milos hates. You can easily do 60 or 100iu of that with dozens of units of Humalog added on top. I've tried it and I'm just a tiny tit who doesn't eat half of what these guys eat.

The frequent switching of esters is something Milos believes in. Not much logic to it I admit.

8iu of growth is the sweet spot for many of the gurus. George Farah told a friend of mine that's optimal and no more is needed. Vince Taylor said he did 8iu. Yates said he did 8iu all through his career.

I recently told the story of a bb by the name Mike "Wheels." He blamed his cardiomyoparhy on Milos' prescribed 30-50iu of slin. What he forgot to say is that he was on like 3 grams of baseline test with a dozen other compounds on top. Milos told him to slash his total steroid load to like a gram a week but increase his insulin slightly. And the insulin damaged his heart Lol.

[Bevo]

I don't know about the intravenuous slin. I feel like we would've heard about it before if it was something he did. It's possible but it's strange this is the first time I've heard of it. I've even seen some of Milos' plans in confidence and I never saw anything about IV slin.

Everyone says Milos' steroid doses are way low compared to all the other gurus. It's just that he relies so much on insulin instead. 100iu of insulin a day isn't necessarily very extreme either if that is the peak dose with twice daily workouts. These days a lot of guys gravitate towards Lantus which Milos hates. You can easily do 60 or 100iu of that with dozens of units of Humalog added on top. I've tried it and I'm just a tiny tit who doesn't eat half of what these guys eat.

The frequent switching of esters is something Milos believes in. Not much logic to it I admit.

8iu of growth is the sweet spot for many of the gurus. George Farah told a friend of mine that's optimal and no more is needed. Vince Taylor said he did 8iu. Yates said he did 8iu all through his career.

I recently told the story of a bb by the name Mike "Wheels." He blamed his cardiomyoparhy on Milos' prescribed 30-50iu of slin. What he forgot to say is that he was on like 3 grams of baseline test with a dozen other compounds on top. Milos told him to slash his total steroid load to like a gram a week but increase his insulin slightly. And the insulin damaged his heart Lol.

I believe this. I remember talking to one of the gurus who prepped a friend for a show and they were discussing Milos protocols. They were saying the same thing, he’s more about insulin and not a shit ton of gear, still a lot, but not 2/3 grams of test kind of shit

One thing about Milos is whether people believe him or not is he’s pretty open about discussing cycles

The GH is accurate as well. 6-8 IU’s I’ve heard

What do you reckon Ronnie did different from 2003/2004 Olympia opposed to 1998-2001? Slin and GH?

[Van_Bilderass]

What do you reckon Ronnie did different from 2003/2004 Olympia opposed to 1998-2001? Slin and GH?

I think it was a lot of everything but also that they were willing to risk coming in too heavy. He wasn't in his most crisp condition. The size was just so overwhelming it didn't matter if his back was a little mushy. He was kind of going up and down in weight during his career trying for different "looks."

According to Chad he had him on a prep diet that started with high calories on monday and progressively got lower through the week.

But it would be interesting to know how much the dosages changed for 03. My guess is insulin was used more at least, not just 1-3 days per week at low dosages that Chad used to talk about.

[honest]

Milos has never advised anyone to take more than 1500 mgs per week total, he gets a lot of bad press, but most of his guys took more without his knowledge, some of his insulin timing and protocols can be extreme, not dosage wise just timing of shots etc, some people can handle it others can't, it wasn't for me thats for sure, only time in my life I didn't enjoy training was when doing it with his insulin protocol.

[denarii]

sounds like a recipe for a long and healthy life...

[affeman]

I don't know about the intravenuous slin. I feel like we would've heard about it before if it was something he did. It's possible but it's strange this is the first time I've heard of it. I've even seen some of Milos' plans in confidence and I never saw anything about IV slin.

@13:30 Roman says Milos said to him the faster the better, and IV administration of the Slin would be "optimal", but he's aware that hardly anyone does it. Roman did, always taking it in one syringe together with injectable l-carnitine. Holy shit, imagine injecting yourself 4 times per day (!!) intravenous (besides all the androgens and the GH you're taking anyways)

[Van_Bilderass]

@13:30 Roman says Milos said to him the faster the better, and IV administration of the Slin would be "optimal", but he's aware that hardly anyone does it. Roman did, always taking it in one syringe together with injectable l-carnitine. Holy shit, imagine injecting yourself 4 times per day (!!) intravenous (besides all the androgens and the GH you're taking anyways)

Okay, possible I guess. They have a new insulin called Fiasp that starts working in seconds pretty much subcutaneously, Milos is propably on it.

You are forgetting the IV narcotics. 
GH is done IV too sometimes, though it was more popular a few years ago.

[pellius]

Milos has never advised anyone to take more than 1500 mgs per week total, he gets a lot of bad press, but most of his guys took more without his knowledge, some of his insulin timing and protocols can be extreme, not dosage wise just timing of shots etc, some people can handle it others can't, it wasn't for me thats for sure, only time in my life I didn't enjoy training was when doing it with his insulin protocol.

Which was?

[Van_Bilderass]

Which was?

It's just Humalog before and after training, preferably 2 workouts per day. I think 25/25 is about the upper end of his dosing per workout. Dosing depends on how many carbs they can get away with.

Milos always says insulin only gives a big stomach if you don't know what you're doing. But Jordan Peters was with Milos doing 100iu a day and he says it wrecked his stomach. So much so that it's the main reason he doesn't want to compete anymore. He believes the issue is unfixable. Just severe distension and lots of abdominal tears. He did say it gave him a ton of muscle but he was so swollen he used to wake up gasping for air.

[bhank]

It's just Humalog before and after training, preferably 2 workouts per day. I think 25/25 is about the upper end of his dosing per workout. Dosing depends on how many carbs they can get away with.

Milos always says insulin only gives a big stomach if you don't know what you're doing. But Jordan Peters was with Milos doing 100iu a day and he says it wrecked his stomach. So much so that it's the main reason he doesn't want to compete anymore. He believes the issue is unfixable. Just severe distension and lots of abdominal tears. He did say it gave him a ton of muscle but he was so swollen he used to wake up gasping for air.

It just seems like with Insulin a lot can go wrong I mean hypoglaucemic death aside you also can just wind up fat with a big gut but I don't know it is bio identical perhaps it is time to sprinkle some in just doubt it will do much other than make me paranoid about my blood sugar and carb intake. Thinking the fast acting OTC stuff maybe 20iu in the am and another 20iu around lunch time or early afternoon preworkout. Just a pain have to go to CVS and explain I want the OTC insulin while they look at me like I am insane. I mean will it really do anything? Doubtful

[Darren Avey]

It just shows what these warriors go through for us

[webstar]

It just seems like with Insulin a lot can go wrong I mean hypoglaucemic death aside you also can just wind up fat with a big gut but I don't know it is bio identical perhaps it is time to sprinkle some in just doubt it will do much other than make me paranoid about my blood sugar and carb intake. Thinking the fast acting OTC stuff maybe 20iu in the am and another 20iu around lunch time or early afternoon preworkout. Just a pain have to go to CVS and explain I want the OTC insulin while they look at me like I am insane

so you have taken insulin and gh..glad to see you finally admitting it there's no shame.

[Van_Bilderass]

It just seems like with Insulin a lot can go wrong I mean hypoglaucemic death aside you also can just wind up fat with a big gut

Serious hypoglycemic episodes where there is serious danger are very rare. Mild hypoglycemia where it's fixed in 5-10 minutes with a glass of orange juice is common especially if you are trying to get away with as few carbs as possible. Even trying to kill yourself with insulin is often unsuccessful.

You can avoid the gut if you go mild on the dosage and don't pound extreme amounts of food. You have to really work at it to end up completely blowing out your waist. But bodybuilders are extremists so they often push too far. Most top bodybuilders use insulin but they've never been leaner. The GH helps a lot.

You don't need to start at anywhere near 20iu twice daily. I would try 10iu of the "R" like an hour before workouts and see how it treats you. Start with even 5iu to assess tolerance. The R is long acting enough to cover the whole workout period so you wouldn't do 2 shots before and after like you might with Milos' Humalog protocol.

With experience you learn when you need to start eating and when the dose has basically petered out. I remember Duchaine saying he would take Humulin R, drive ro the gym, workout, drive back and when he was through the door he felt he needed to eat. But I wouldn't go anywhere without some juice or glucose tabs when insulin is active. You don't want to get stuck in traffic while going hypo with no carbs on hand. With Humalog I learned that if I hadn't gone hypo by 2 hours it was not going to happen even if I stopped eating at that point. Sometimes I would induce hypoglycemia purposely just for the pleasure you feel eating finally. Once I had taken Humalog sitting 3 feet from my fridge reading getbig. After an hour I could feel hypo coming on but continued playing with my cell for another half an hour. Then I started seeing stars and sweating profusely and had barely the energy to stand up and open the fridge Lol.

[Body-Buildah]

Stuff is dangerous and retarded to use (slin), but that's BB for ya...

[falco]

The amount of litter around the floor is quite impressive.
Here's another picture from that photo session:

[Van_Bilderass]

Stuff is dangerous and retarded to use (slin), but that's BB for ya...

It's a natural hormone. Some gurus have said if they had a teen son who wanted to start doping they would have them start out with an all bioidentical stack: just test, gh and insulin. Safest and best return. Insulin is seen as some advanced PED but why? You are secreting insulin constantly anyway. They would not let them use any synthetic anabolics. Just a low dose of test, gh and insulin. It's not a crazy idea and makes sense. GH used to be seen as an advanced PED for no other reason that it was so expensive. No reason not to start including it from the start.

[LurkerNoMore]

He still got ways to go to chase jumbo palumbo with his clown shoe size 16

WTF?  I've never seen his feet so I couldn't imagine how fugly they must look on the munchkin.

[honest]

Which was?

As Van described, basically insulin and GH can take your physique to the next level, the fullness and roundness or the modern look is dependent on its use. Its what separates modern bodybuilding, from the anabolic only era, there is a 12 month window where it works very well, then in my opinion spills over and blows out the waist. I mainly used insulin as GH was still very expensive back in the 90s, there are methods as described by Van that can make you feel very uncomfortable, but the results can be substantial, for get biggers just train and be healthy, everything in moderation and insulin use is not what i consider moderation,

[Skeletor]

WTF?  I've never seen his feet so I couldn't imagine how fugly they must look on the munchkin.

[webstar]

WTF?  I've never seen his feet so I couldn't imagine how fugly they must look on the munchkin.

[MAXX]

He still got ways to go to chase jumbo palumbo with his clown shoe size 16

do the growth plates in feet and hands never fuse like most other bones or why does some gh abusers get that?