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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2024, 11:39:36 PM »
was Alexei Navalny a freedom fighter for the people of russia or was he a foreign agent/soros plant trying to subvert power away from main russian oligarchs into the hands of globalists ?

Ha ! Navalny, a freedom fighter who openly called for the bombing/killing of civilians in another country during an armed conflict with the Russian Federation 15 years ago (among other provocations.)

I obviously cannot prove it, but I think he acted in the interests of a competing faction within the Kremlin itself. An influential group that has been trying to gain the upper hand for years. Its members probably felt unwell and collapsed suddenly - out of a window.

Navalny's death is just a memo.

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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2024, 12:23:04 AM »
What are the chances of all the Novichock cases being fake or that the Novichock was made by MI6 or whoever?

I think Putin admitted they had trailed him for
years after the "investigators" actually named
 the people involved.They were supposedly poison experts. Then there was the curious call Navalny claimed to have had with someone from the intelligence agencies, a named individual, which he taped, was all that fake? Like the detail that the poison wass applied to his underwear? If it wasn't this case shows remarkable incompetence no matter what Putin says "we would have finished the job."

Of course, the US and Israel are assassinating people abroad all the time, with all their "black sites" everywhere.

It has been said Navalny was a right wing extremist who the west would never have supported unless the counterpart was Russia and Putin. Is that true? It's like the support they give to the Nazis in Ukraine, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." I don't think it's true that there aren't any Nazis in Ukraine is true, they have clearly posed with their emblems on but Putin is the bigger enemy.

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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2024, 05:05:00 AM »
Moscow did it.

Weeks ago -  in december - he went totally missing for 20 consecutive days. It makes sense now - the Kremlin was floating a trial balloon about his death.

For the better part of 2021-2022, the Russian political swamp was in complete turmoil. Many wondered whether it was time to jump ships and swear allegiance to a stronger, meaner sub-faction. Guess the State has made abundantly clear as to whom managed to prevail. It's a common thing in Soviet politics.

To be frank, the only leader who truly managed to balance internal rivalries out was Comrade Brezhnev. Under his leadership, all political and military figures kept getting a proportional share of the proverbial corruption-iced cake based on their hierarchical rank within the Soviet criminal/bureaucratic administration. There was just no point in opposing him. Stalin was on a whole other level though.

Carlson's succesful and well-timed interview is another example the Government's increased self-assurance and dark humor:




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Thanks for the breakdown - that thing about a 'trial balloon' is a clever take - I would never have thought of that in that way

Amazing that the MSM didn't pick up on the tie thing as well - unless they did and I just didn't read it anywhere

I went through a phase years ago of reading the well known C19th Russian authors, and I remember the complexities of the hierarchy, the titles, the nominals, etc. so it's interesting to think that sort of thing in a modern setting

Thanks again
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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2024, 09:03:17 AM »
The MSM is leaving out important details on this story. This guy was no hero. He was actually a traitor against the Russian people. Here is a video of him conspiring with a known MI6 agent to push a "color" revolution in Russia, one that was to be financed by globalist billionaires.

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1758562972522164275

Never take anything that the MSM says at face value.

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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2024, 10:06:05 AM »
What are the chances of all the Novichock cases being fake or that the Novichock was made by MI6 or whoever?

I think Putin admitted they had trailed him for
years after the "investigators" actually named
 the people involved.They were supposedly poison experts. Then there was the curious call Navalny claimed to have had with someone from the intelligence agencies, a named individual, which he taped, was all that fake? Like the detail that the poison wass applied to his underwear? If it wasn't this case shows remarkable incompetence no matter what Putin says "we would have finished the job."

Of course, the US and Israel are assassinating people abroad all the time, with all their "black sites" everywhere.

It has been said Navalny was a right wing extremist who the west would never have supported unless the counterpart was Russia and Putin. Is that true? It's like the support they give to the Nazis in Ukraine, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." I don't think it's true that there aren't any Nazis in Ukraine is true, they have clearly posed with their emblems on but Putin is the bigger enemy.

In the not so romanticized world of Russian espionage, everything is possible. Navalny was your typical opportunist.

The story about the botched underwear poisoning attempt was likely true. I know people who had probably been - whithout their knowledge - in the same smoker area as the alleged GRU operatives during a conference break.

The Western and liberal Russian press presented this story as a failed assasination attempt. I disagree. "Soviet" governments have a very strong, unhealthy penchant for dark humor, bullying & humiliation.

In my opinion, MSM failed to pick on this "Novichok practical joke" :

1- Hurt Navalny just enough as to not kill him,
2- Taunt him by letting him know what happened and who did it.
3-  Allow him to fly out to Germany in order to receive proper care and treatement. 
4-  Arrest him on false charges once he returns. Lock him up in brutal isolation cells for 300+ days and wait until he dies slowly, very slowly of mistreatement whilst comically "following" imprisonement rules to a T - no formal and politically compromising torture method was thus required since the world had its eyes locked on the storyline.

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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2024, 11:00:36 AM »
4-  Arrest him on false charges once he returns. Lock him up in brutal isolation cells for 300+ days and wait until he dies slowly, very slowly of mistreatement whilst comically "following" imprisonement rules to a T - no formal and politically compromising torture method was thus required since the world had its eyes locked on the storyline.

So what do you think the cause of death actually was then?  Malnutrition, pneumonia?  Do you think he took the reported walk just beforehand?  I know there's scant info on this, but I'm very interested in your best guess/assessment
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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2024, 11:25:24 AM »
Poor fella - he'll go down in history as a hero like Stauffenberg though, so good for him :)


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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2024, 12:38:24 PM »
So what do you think the cause of death actually was then?  Malnutrition, pneumonia?  Do you think he took the reported walk just beforehand?  I know there's scant info on this, but I'm very interested in your best guess/assessment

Penal administration regularly denied him medical treatment and even access to his lawyer. In 1000+ days spent behind the bars, Navalny's health greatly deteriorated. He fell critically ill several times.

The authorities formally sealed his fate in december when the decision of relocating him to one of Russia’s northernmost prisons was made - well above the Arctic circle. That fact alone meant that keeping him alive was no longer a priority.

He spent most of his time in a special area of the penal colony - a prison within a prison if you will. A place normaly designed to hold and break incarcerated individuals considered to be security risks to other inmates or staff - as well as those who violate facility rules or are deemed disruptive.

Anything could have been done to him under those conditions. Absolutely anything. However, his legal case still required regular hearings conducted via videolink. So that rules out the most extreme forms of abuse ( around the clock beatings, stress positions, anal rape with different objects etc..)

In my opinion, the easiest and cleanest way to get rid of him was to simply wait until he collapsed sooner or later due to poor health, and call the paramedics "too late." Exotic lethal tools or substances were simply not needed in such a harsh and remote environement. Extremely low temperatures are already widely used as a form of physical abuse in those places.

Again, he was formally deemed expendable in december. He was a dead man.

According to propanganda news outled "RT",  Navalny died of a blood clot. The true causes of his death are "formally" under investigation.

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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2024, 12:45:11 PM »
Penal administration regularly denied him medical treatment and even access to his lawyer. In 1000+ days spent behind the bars, Navalny's health greatly deteriorated. He fell critically ill several times.

The authorities formally sealed his fate in december when the decision of relocating him to one of Russia’s northernmost prisons was made - well above the Arctic circle. That fact alone means that keeping him alive was no longer a priority.

He spent most of his time in a special area of the penal colony - a prison within a prison if you will. A place normaly designed to hold and break incarcerated individuals considered to be security risks to other inmates or staff - as well as those who violate facility rules or are deemed disruptive.

Anything could have been done to him under those conditions. Absolutely anything. However, his legal case still required regular hearings conducted via videolink. So that rules out the most extreme forms of abuse ( beatings, stress positions, anal raping etc..)

In my opinion, the easiest and cleanest way to get rid of him was to let him collapse sooner or later due to poor health and call the paramedics "too late." Exotic lethal tools or substances were simply not needed in such a harsh and isolated environement. Extremely low temperatures are already widely used as a form of physical abuse in those places.

Again, he was formally deemed expendable in december. He was a dead man.

According to propanganda news outled "RT",  Navalny died of a blood clot. The true causes of his death are "formally" under investigation.
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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2024, 12:48:36 PM »
Penal administration regularly denied him medical treatment and even access to his lawyer. In 1000+ days spent behind the bars, Navalny's health greatly deteriorated. He fell critically ill several times.

The authorities formally sealed his fate in december when the decision of relocating him to one of Russia’s northernmost prisons was made - well above the Arctic circle. That fact alone means that keeping him alive was no longer a priority.

He spent most of his time in a special area of the penal colony - a prison within a prison if you will. A place normaly designed to hold and break incarcerated individuals considered to be security risks to other inmates or staff - as well as those who violate facility rules or are deemed disruptive.

Anything could have been done to him under those conditions. Absolutely anything. However, his legal case still required regular hearings conducted via videolink. So that rules out the most extreme forms of abuse ( beatings, stress positions, anal raping etc..)

In my opinion, the easiest and cleanest way to get rid of him was to let him collapse sooner or later due to poor health and call the paramedics "too late." Exotic lethal tools or substances were simply not needed in such a harsh and isolated environement. Extremely low temperatures are already widely used as a form of physical abuse in those places.

Again, he was formally deemed expendable in december. He was a dead man.

According to propanganda news outled "RT",  Navalny died of a blood clot. The true causes of his death are "formally" under investigation.

Genuine thanks for that - next time I need a steer on Russian shenanigans I know who to ask! 8)
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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2024, 02:09:40 PM »
i think moppy is getting short changed on poster of the year nominations 

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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2024, 03:18:10 AM »
Maybe he beat himself to death like Leo.

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Re: BREAKING: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in prison
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2024, 04:44:49 AM »
Maybe he beat himself to death like Leo.

you are a good dude and i like you

RESPECT 8)

and yep happy as hell that PEO piece of shit is dead and even better that he suffered greatly

GOOD SHIT :)