Ronnie 2003 Ronnie 2006

[pumpster]

Jay is the Columbu of the new millenium. They'll tread water with him and others till someone great shows up.

The more interesting thing is why they did this to Coleman onstage vs. Yates allowed to win in virtually the same bad condition-what went on, who did they talk to, or not.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sad devotion.

Acceptance of the contest outcome at face value.

I 'll let you in on a secret ND: this years mr olympia was FIXED. Coleman coming in off was simply a well timed occurance for the powers to be to give the title to a competitor that brings, well frankly, nothing new to the sport.

Your estatic aboout coleman losing, how do you fell about cutler winning?

Where does this result take your "sport".

Okay you claimed its fixed and this would mean you have inside information , so now the burden of proof lies on you to prove your claim , put up or shut up big shot , either provide proof that it was fixed or keep quite

I find it amazing that Ronnie came in looking like gargabe the day of the fix coinsidence? I think not , was it irony Ronnie was waterlogged mess? that he has numerous injuries despite his cliams to the contrary , I love the bitter Coleman fans comming out doing damage control , conspricy theories and God knows what else , its pathetic almost as pathetic as the shape Ronnie showed up in to cement his legacy in bodybuilding history

How do I feel what Jay Cutler winning the Mr Olympia? I'll tell you what I personally DO NOT think he is Mr Olympia material , he has a gut but unlike Coleman he managed to be more conscious of it and make sure he controled it , still unacceptable , I don't like his physique and with that being said the judges picked the right person , the criteria worked in Ronnie's favor for years and it should work in Jays as well

After seeing the first pictures I thought " Wow Ronnie is really off and Jay is really on " but I figured they would screw Jay over but they did the right thing , which leaves the jaded clueless Coleman fans to ponder how their messiah could lose especially to Jay , you've all ate the bullshit that Muscular Development spoonfed you about how untouchable Ronnie was and NO ONE could ever beat him etc and Ronnie was a victim of his own delusion as well , so now he lost its has to be everything BUT he deserved to lose , Ronnie deserved to win on many times and he did and this time he deserved to lose and did so stop bitching .

[sculpture]

Jay is the Columbu of the new millenium. They'll tread water with him and others till someone great shows up.

The more interesting thing is why they did this to Coleman onstage vs. Yates allowed to win in virtually the same bad condition-what went on, who did they talk to, or not.

Cutler brings absolutley nothing new to the sport at all.

An upper body bereft of any discernible detail, obvious synthol abuse, arguably the widest congenital waist on any mr o, glaring left to right assymmetry most noticeable in the limbs, possibly the blockiest man ever to appear on stage oh and like dorian all the charm of a used condom.

Coleman as a man deserved far more than the ifbb gave him last week.

8 time mr olympia just discarded.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Cutler brings absolutley nothing new to the sport at all.

An upper body bereft of any discernible detail, obvious synthol abuse, arguably the widest congenital waist on any mr o, glaring left to right assymmetry most noticeable in the limbs, possibly the blockiest man ever to appear on stage oh and like dorian all the charm of a used condom.

Coleman as a man deserved far more than the ifbb gave him last week.

8 time mr olympia just discarded.

It has NOTHGING to do with bring anything new to the sport , it has to do with was the package he brought to the stage on that particularnight better than the one Ronnie did and thats was a yes , Jay may NOT have been better than Ronnie 364 days out of the year but he was better on the day it matter most.

[pumpster]

Okay you claimed its fixed and this would mean you have inside information , so now the burden of proof lies on you to prove your claim , put up or shut up big shot

ND continues to play dumb in recycling the same questions that been posed and answered many times over, most recently just the other day when he admitted tha he has no viable explanation for Yates' win in '97.

The onus is squarely still on ND. OWNED.

[sculpture]

Okay you claimed its fixed and this would mean you have inside information , so now the burden of proof lies on you to prove your claim , put up or shut up big shot , either provide proof that it was fixed or keep quite

I find it truly amazing that ND still doesn't understand the placings in the olympia are largely politically determined.

A very small minority (ND your included by the way) are so gullible that they'll swallow any story their handed.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND continues to make the same arguments while acting as if the question hasn't been posed and answered many times. In fact, he acknowledged just the other day that he has no viable explanation for Yates' win in '97. OWNED.

I personally thought Yates should have lost in 1997 but the judges didn't straight firsts , that has nothing to with anything , I'm only basing my assesment on video and pictures , if you can trust the judges picks when it suits your favorites than they apply when they don't .

[sculpture]

It has NOTHGING to do with bring anything new to the sport , it has to do with was the package he brought to the stage on that particularnight better than the one Ronnie did and thats was a yes , Jay may NOT have been better than Ronnie 364 days out of the year but he was better on the day it matter most.

Yes it does.

It speaks volumes of the sad fate of this sport when the premier show, the superbowl of bodybuilding is won by a man that doesnt belong in the top 5

[pumpster]

I personally thought Yates should have lost in 1997 but the judges didn't straight firsts , that has nothing to with anything , I'm only basing my assesment on video and pictures

Which means you have no viable explanation to the evidence of politics that you keep denying, in '97, '81 and '82. Can't have it both ways.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I find it truly amazing that ND still doesn't understand the placings in the olympia are largely politically determined.

A very small minority (ND your included by the way) are so gullible that they'll swallow any story their handed.

Again how ironic it is that Ronnie showed up looking like garbage and Jay looked better , again spare me the conspricy theories if you have proof to the contrary I'll listen but if not I'll dismiss your nonsense to being a delusional , jaded and bitter fan .

[pumpster]

Quote from: sculpture on Today at 12:12:30 PM
I find it truly amazing that ND still doesn't understand the placings in the olympia are largely politically determined.

Playing dumb is a device used to recycle old arguments in lieu of content. Deny, deny, deny with no content while trying to put others on the defensive instead of actually discussing.

[sculpture]

Again how ironic it is that Ronnie showed up looking like garbage and Jay looked better , again spare me the conspricy theories if you have proof to the contrary I'll listen but if not I'll dismiss your nonsense to being a delusional , jaded and bitter fan .

Considering that dorian showed up every year looking like dog shit bar 92 and 93, your statement doesnt mean squat.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Which means you have no viable explanation to the possibility of politics that you keep denying. Can't have it both ways.

You want an explanation? Dorian lost in the front compared to Nasser and Dominated him from the sides and from the back , Dorian was just as heavy and made Nasser look small in some poses , this is why Nasser lost .

[sculpture]

Playing dumb is part of the device used to recycle old arguments in lieu of content.

Gold.

Utter gold.

[pumpster]

You want an explanation? Dorian lost in the front compared to Nasser and Dominated him from the sides and from the back , Dorian was just as heavy and made Nasser look small in some poses , this is why Nasser lost .

Not convincing; nor were your explanations for '81 and '82 anything more than fluff.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Considering that dorian showed up every year looking like dog shit bar 92 and 93, your statement doesnt mean squat.

Comming from a biased perspective thats your opinion and the judges thought otherwise . 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Not convincing; nor were your nonexistent explanations for '81 and '82.

I don't have to convince you lol Yates had to convince the judges and he did get over it lol 1997 is long gone.

[sculpture]

Comming from a biased perspective thats your opinion and the judges thought otherwise . 

Actually its pretty much the general consenus and not just my opinion.

What are you claiming otherwise?

That he showed up every year and was the deserving winner.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pumpster]

Fine; lol all you want you have nothing to stand behind. Politics exist and have been a significant factor in various decisions, and you have done nothing to prove otherwise.

I left out Robinson, who was deserving of at least 1-2 Olympias in the late 70s. Padilla as well. Most of the elite guys left the IFBB in the early 80s thanks to the politics that ND claims don't exist; i guess he knows better than them. hahahahaahahah

[NarcissisticDeity]

Actually its pretty much the general consenus and not just my opinion.

What are you claiming otherwise?

That he showed up every year and was the deserving winner.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow that must mean you're all right  its a fix when Ronnie loses but when Ronnie wins its not lol hypocrites the lot of you , Ronnie had more close calls than Yates ever did , Ronnie was hit or miss and could have easily lost 4 My Olympias , 1998 , 2001 , 2002 , 2004 , he lost the 2002 SOS and ironically he showed up there looking like garbage as well lol keep crying Coleman fans thats all you can do at this point.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Fine; lol all you want you have nothing to stand behind. Politics exist and have been a significant factor in various decisions, and you have done nothing to prove otherwise.

I left out Robinson, who was deserving of at least 1-2 Olympias in the late 70s. Padilla as well. Most of the elite guys left the IFBB in the early 80s thanks to the politics that ND claims don't exist; i guess he knows better than them. hahahahaahahah

According to who you? you're not a judge and what do you know? you think Ronnie deserved to win this past Olympia lol like the rest of the Coleman nuthuggers you don't know anything if you think Ronnie deserved to win in 2006 and and talk about NOT standing behind anything if you have proof that the Weiders fix contests they provide and if you can't stop crying a fix when your personal favorites don't win.

[sculpture]

Wow that must mean you're all right  its a fix when Ronnie loses but when Ronnie wins its not lol hypocrites the lot of you , Ronnie had more close calls than Yates ever did , Ronnie was hit or miss and could have easily lost 4 My Olympias , 1998 , 2001 , 2002 , 2004 , he lost the 2002 SOS and ironically he showed up there looking like garbage as well lol keep crying Coleman fans thats all you can do at this point.

I don't believe i've stated he was deserving of all the olympias?

The fix in 2006 is evident to all except perhaps a myopic ghoul.

We've been through this countless times: in dorians questionable victories we can provide a competitor who should of won that year.

In the case of colemans suspect victories such the ones you've listed, bar 2001, you are and have the past been unable to provide an alternative winner.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't believe i've stated he was deserving of all the olympias?

The fix in 2006 is evident to all except perhaps a myopic ghoul.

We've been through this countless times: in dorians questionable victories we can provide a competitor who should of won that year.

In the case of colemans suspect victories such the ones you've listed, bar 2001, you are and have the past been unable to provide an alternative winner.

I guess most of his fellow Pros are ' myopic ghouls ' because they said Ronnie was off and lost , only whinny cry babies are claiming a fix its all you have left

and you want an alternative winner for 1998? Flex Wheeler could have easily replaced Ronnie , 2002 Kevin Levrone won both posing rounds at that show and could have easily replaced Coleman , 2004 Ronnie was huge and doughy Jay closed the gap on him at that contest and these strictly speaking are contest that the judges deemed close on their scorecards , for you to claim 2006 was a fixed contest clearly shows the level of your delusion.

[M75]

3 years an even further fall from gracefrom his best years of 1996 to 2001 ASC   

2003 Ronnie was the most amazing combo of size and conditioning to ever to grace a bodybuilding stage in my eyes.

He really was from another planet that year.

[Hulkster]

ND's hypocrisy is incredible:

most of the reasons that he does not think Jay is olympia material are clearly evident in his hero, Dorian Yates:



uncanny resemblence.