Author Topic: How does Ronnie Coleman lose the 2006 Mr Olympia ? (Read 11926 times)

Hulkster · « **Reply #25 on:** October 08, 2006, 05:08:11 AM »

93 Flex as good as he was - was way too narrow to beat peak Ronnie.

Ronnie would beat flex in every pose except the ab and thigh.

You need lats to beat peak Ronnie.

Look at it this way: they are VERY similar, only one has width (and more size), the other does not.

advantage: Ronnie

ND will never admit that peak Ronnie would win, because he hates Ronnie.

it would be too much for even a 93 Flex to overcome.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #26 on:** October 08, 2006, 05:36:05 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on October 08, 2006, 05:08:11 AM

93 Flex as good as he was - was way too narrow to beat peak Ronnie.

Ronnie would beat flex in every pose except the ab and thigh.

You need lats to beat peak Ronnie.

Look at it this way: they are VERY similar, only one has width (and more size), the other does not.

advantage: Ronnie

ND will never admit that peak Ronnie would win, because he hates Ronnie.

it would be too much for even a 93 Flex to overcome.

I don't hate Ronnie , I just don't think as highly as him as you nug-huggers do , I never called him the most overrated bodybuilder of all time

you get insisting that Flex and Ronnie are similar and they're not , Flex has aesthetics and Ronnie never has , Flex beat Ronnie a lot of times despite not being as wide

You keep thinking the guy with the wider back automatically will win and thats nonsense , Shawn Ray beat many guys with sub-par latspreads , as did Flex .

pumpster · « **Reply #27 on:** October 08, 2006, 05:58:37 AM »

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Flex has aesthetics and Ronnie never has , Flex beat Ronnie a lot of times despite not being as wide

You keep thinking the guy with the wider back automatically will win and thats nonsense

No one as much in love with Yates as ND should bother trying to discern aesthetics.

Yes, Coleman with a wider back and wider shoulders would win against Wheeler because they were so similar in other ways; nothing to do with any generalizations regarding other BBs and wide backs.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #28 on:** October 08, 2006, 06:09:02 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 08, 2006, 05:58:37 AM

No one as much in love with Yates as ND should bother trying to discern aesthetics.

Yes, Coleman with a wider back and wider shoulders would win against Wheeler because they were so similar in other ways; nothing to do with any generalizations regarding other BBs and wide backs.

Ah the difference is NO ONE is claiming Yates had aesthetics

he didn't need aesthetics to beat guys with them ! Flex had a beautiful physique and Ronnie didn't even at his best , a collection of parts that don't addup to a very please whole .

Hulkster · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2006, 06:31:43 AM »

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Flex beat Ronnie a lot of times despite not being as wide

yeah, back in 1996!

1993 Flex would have a lot more trouble with this than Ronnie's 96 form.

come on ND, Ronnie at his peak was far better than his 1995 and 1996 incarnations.

everyone except you seems to be able to realize this.

Hulkster · « **Reply #30 on:** October 08, 2006, 06:35:38 AM »

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You keep thinking the guy with the wider back automatically will win and thats nonsense , Shawn Ray beat many guys with sub-par latspreads , as did Flex .

yes, and WHY did he beat them? because he had better quality everywhere else.

What you never seem to realize, is that Ronnie had this same quality:

only WITH WIDTH!

why can't you put two and two together:

quality + narrowness = beat most guys.

quality + width = much more difficult to beat.

slayer · « **Reply #31 on:** October 08, 2006, 06:41:58 AM »

ronnies ooooollllldddddd newwwwws , who cares!

willie mosconi · « **Reply #32 on:** October 08, 2006, 06:48:32 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on October 08, 2006, 05:36:05 AM

I don't hate Ronnie , I just don't think as highly as him as you nug-huggers do , I never called him the most overrated bodybuilder of all time you get insisting that Flex and Ronnie are similar and they're not , Flex has aesthetics and Ronnie never has , Flex beat Ronnie a lot of times despite not being as wide

You keep thinking the guy with the wider back automatically will win and thats nonsense , Shawn Ray beat many guys with sub-par latspreads , as did Flex .

I almost never agree with ND, but he speaks the truth here

Hulkster · « **Reply #33 on:** October 08, 2006, 06:53:22 AM »

Slayer, we shall see how many Mr. Olympia's Jay can win.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #34 on:** October 08, 2006, 06:57:04 AM »

Quote from: sculpture on October 08, 2006, 02:06:03 AM

Arnold's inclusion on the list - typical ironage clone dogma.

His 74 physique is foolishly viewed by deluded ironagers as some sort of holy grail of physiques. It certainly was his best, but best of all time?

HELL NO!

Arnold in 74 had the same flaws he always had - lack of quad flair, poor hamstring mass, over powering chest, overpowered delts that sloped, biceps that overpowered his triceps and forearms.

ND for someone who vehemently claims in the truce thread that colemans strengths can be construed as weaknesses, i wonder what your assessment on arnolds chest and biceps are?

Good post and very true. Arnold at the time was great but today he would get smoked at the JR. Nationals.

pumpster · « **Reply #35 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:24:24 AM »

How many Coleman threads has ND got going? It's now clear that ND's OBSESSED with Coleman. hahahahahahahaha

He's strayed from the original thread, having been beaten down and dropped off the planet.

pumpster · « **Reply #36 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:26:19 AM »

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Ah the difference is NO ONE is claiming Yates had aesthetics he didn't need aesthetics to beat guys with them !

OWNED. STFU on aesthetics if they're unimportant.

Your MAAAAaaaa · « **Reply #37 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:28:11 AM »

double post meltdown, why is this anything to do with Dorian anyway, always back to the same old shit about ronnie and Dorian.

Come on guys give it a rest!!!!

ta ta

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #38 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:30:40 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 08, 2006, 07:26:19 AM

OWNED. STFU on aesthetics if they're unimportant.

I love your bitterness lol

pumpster · « **Reply #39 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:31:04 AM »

Exactly; ND should confine his obsessions to recusitating his rep from that lost monster thread.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:32:33 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on October 08, 2006, 06:53:22 AM

Slayer, we shall see how many Mr. Olympia's Jay can win.

It doesn't matter if Jay never wins another Mr Olympia contest ever again all that matters is he stopped Ronnie Coleman dead in his tracks in the most important Mr Olympia contest ever ,no one can ever take that from him and the Coleman nut-huggers are outin full force doing damage control lol

Stavios · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:33:02 AM »

ND, do you have pics of the 98 arnold ?

flex looked like in 93 but bigger from the pics I saw

I think it was his all time best

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #42 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:33:59 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 08, 2006, 07:31:04 AM

Exactly; ND should confine his obsessions to recusitating his rep from that lost monster thread.

You and Hulkster keep bring up Yates I don't lol I keep bring up the fact Cutler made Mr Oylmpia history iin grand fashion.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #43 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:35:36 AM »

Quote from: Stavios on October 08, 2006, 07:33:02 AM

ND, do you have pics of the 98 arnold ?

flex looked like in 93 but bigger from the pics I saw

I think it was his all time best

I did have pics from the 98 ASC he was bigger but he wasn't as sharp all over , his delts were full oil as were his calves ,his delts were smooth as bowling balls , I think 93 was his best and maybewon he won the USA

Stavios · « **Reply #44 on:** October 08, 2006, 07:37:36 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on October 08, 2006, 07:35:36 AM

I did have pics from the 98 ASC he was bigger but he wasn't as sharp all over , his delts were full oil as were his calves ,his delts were smooth as bowling balls , I think 93 was his best and maybewon he won the USA

true
that being said, I think Flex is the only bodybuilder who synthol looks good on him !
maybe it was due to his incredibly round muscle bellies, he didn't look lumpy

sculpture · « **Reply #45 on:** October 08, 2006, 08:55:00 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on October 08, 2006, 07:32:33 AM

It doesn't matter if Jay never wins another Mr Olympia contest ever again all that matters is he stopped Ronnie Coleman dead in his tracks in the most important Mr Olympia contest ever ,no one can ever take that from him and the Coleman nut-huggers are outin full force doing damage control lol

I fail to see how this was the most important mr olympia in history.

Simply because haney's record was in jeopardy of bein smashed?

pumpster · « **Reply #46 on:** October 08, 2006, 09:08:17 AM »

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Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on Today at 10:32:33 AM
It doesn't matter if Jay never wins another Mr Olympia contest ever again all that matters is he stopped Ronnie Coleman dead in his tracks in the most important Mr Olympia contest ever ,no one can ever take that from him and the Coleman nut-huggers are outin full force doing damage control lol

I fail to see how this was the most important mr olympia in history.

Wrong; rampant speculation. Cutler is this generation's Columbu; he or others will fill in until the next greats come through. There was no specifial significance in Cutler being the one.

As far as why Coleman wasn't allowed to win it while Yates in horrible condition was, that's all behind the scenes stuff that would be a lot more interesting to hear about than ND's imaginary scenarios.

willie mosconi · « **Reply #47 on:** October 08, 2006, 10:53:57 AM »

Flex beat Ronnie at the 96 NOC. Both were in top form. Both never looked better before or after

Hulkster · « **Reply #48 on:** October 08, 2006, 11:04:52 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on October 08, 2006, 07:33:59 AM

You and Hulkster keep bring up Yates I don't lol I keep bring up the fact Cutler made Mr Oylmpia history iin grand fashion.

no, beating Ronnie in 2003 would have been grand.

Beating a obviously past his prime middle age (and apparently injured) Mr. O. is not winning in "grand fashion".

Jay should buy a lottery ticket. He was very lucky.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #49 on:** October 08, 2006, 01:07:36 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on October 08, 2006, 11:04:52 AM

no, beating Ronnie in 2003 would have been grand.

Beating a obviously past his prime middle age (and apparently injured) Mr. O. is not winning in "grand fashion".

Jay should buy a lottery ticket. He was very lucky.

Jay beat Ronnie Coleman in the most important Mr Olympia competition EVER ! his ninth consectutive title win breaking Lee Haney's insane run and Coleman blew it lol

and NOW Ronnie is obviously past his prime and middle aged and injured but if Ronnie won and people would have pointed that out you would have been fighting it tooth & nail Jay can only compete with the version of Ronnie that shows up and the one that did was a complete joke and paid for it lol