Science in bodybuilding

[Marty Champions]

there are plenty of breakthrough studies done on dietary intake/muscle biopsies/roles of nutrients ect.. yet none of these magazines or internet boards relates them to new diet and workout plans

seems like people are still hooked on 80's and 90's technology

[Marty Champions]

i think im going to have to be the daddy and pull all the new research together to come out with some revolutionary principles

[Figo]

Start the Daddywaddy Principles of Diet and Training.

Next thing you know, you got a bbing mag, and your own federation, then you can start ripping the competitors off, and...

Sorry, been done.

[Marty Champions]

Start the Daddywaddy Principles of Diet and Training.

Next thing you know, you got a bbing mag, and your own federation, then you can start ripping the competitors off, and...

Sorry, been done.

very true im not trying to make money, more seeking knowledge and the truth of things is what im after

[Figo]

very true im not trying to make money, more seeking knowledge and the truth of things is what im after

Just kidding, who knows, maybe you come up with revolutionary stuff!

[SteelePegasus]

put a tshirt on him and you couldn't tell that waddy works outs

Here are some pics of a 6'4 guy that doesn't work out by bodybulding stamdard yet gives waddy a run for his money

[The True Adonis]

Some are stuck even further behind than that.

[Figo]

Some are stuck even further behind than that.

True.

[Rammer]

there are plenty of breakthrough studies done on dietary intake/muscle biopsies/roles of nutrients ect.. yet none of these magazines or internet boards relates them to new diet and workout plans

seems like people are still hooked on 80's and 90's technology

Problem is the scientific studies are not done on bodybuilders.  Scientists are not doing double blind clinical studies to see how a 250lb guy can put on 10 more lbs of muscle using a particular nutrient.  Most of the studies are done on undernourished children or the elderly etc.  Back in the 90's when I worked at a supplement distributor we would get the actual studies referenced in the marketing material for supplements like CLA, HMB, OKG etc.  One of the studies was done on pregnant women and showed they lost less lean body mass during pregnancy while ingesting the supplement.  They used that study to suggest that bodybuilders could use their product as an anticatabolic when dieting for a show.

[The True Adonis]

Problem is the scientific studies are not done on bodybuilders.  Scientists are not doing double blind clinical studies to see how a 250lb guy can put on 10 more lbs of muscle using a particular nutrient.  Most of the studies are done on undernourished children or the elderly etc.  Back in the 90's when I worked at a supplement distributor we would get the actual studies referenced in the marketing material for supplements like CLA, HMB, OKG etc.  One of the studies was done on pregnant women and showed they lost less lean body mass during pregnancy while ingesting the supplement.  They used that study to suggest that bodybuilders could use their product as an anticatabolic when dieting for a show.

Bodybuilders are just average people.  Their genetic makeup is no different than anyone on earth.

It would not matter if anything was tested on them....The things that do matter are the controls and vairables such as workouts, diet etc....

But doing a test on a bodybuilder and a regular person will yield the same results provided the controls and vairable are ALL THE SAME.

[SteelePegasus]

"on a patient immobilized, he lost muscle......"
"on a rat, it gained muscle while using...."

"on some fat f**k, 1 gram of protein per lb is useless......"

[Rammer]

Bodybuilders are just average people.  Their genetic makeup is no different than anyone on earth.

It would not matter if anything was tested on them....The things that do matter are the controls and vairables such as workouts, diet etc....

But doing a test on a bodybuilder and a regular person will yield the same results provided the controls and vairable are ALL THE SAME.

I see what you're saying but if an undernorished child is given HMB and gains 10lbs of lean mass in a month should a seasoned BB expect the same results?

[The True Adonis]

I see what you're saying but if an undernorished child is given HMB and gains 10lbs of lean mass in a month should a seasoned BB expect the same results?

The controls and vairables are too different to be equal.

A child is still developing and does not have testosterone and is clearly under nourished.

You cannot use the two for a study and no educated person would, unless you were trying to prove the effectiveness on two different individualized groups.

[Darth Muscle]

Bodybuilders are just average people.  Their genetic makeup is no different than anyone on earth.

It would not matter if anything was tested on them....The things that do matter are the controls and vairables such as workouts, diet etc....

But doing a test on a bodybuilder and a regular person will yield the same results provided the controls and vairable are ALL THE SAME.

If that were true, every pro would look like Ronnie.  All pros are doing the same thing, but they all don't look the same.  Genetics and work ethic  are just as important as diet and drugs.  You need to face facts swimmer boy.

[Rammer]

The controls and vairables are too different to be equal.

A child is still developing and does not have testosterone and is clearly under nourished.

You cannot use the two for a study and no educated person would, unless you were trying to prove the effectiveness on two different individualized groups.

Exactly but the supplement companies do not tell you that when they put something on the market.  They just say we have scientific proof than an individual taking our supplement on avg gains 10lbs of muscle in a month and you buy it thinking you will gain 10lbs of muscle.  If you as a consumer do some research and find out what the variables of the study were you would know they are selling snake oil.

[El_Spiko]

MD publishes a lot of study results and their implications for a bodybuilder. And these days, there a lot more studies done on average adults to find out more about diet and exercise, not just children and the elderly.

[The True Adonis]

If that were true, every pro would look like Ronnie.  All pros are doing the same thing, but they all don't look the same.  Genetics and work ethic  are just as important as diet and drugs.  You need to face facts swimmer boy.

The IFBB pros are not using the same controls and vairables with their drug regimens or training or nutrition.

To have a REALLY accurate study, one would need to take a large segment using the same controls and vairables.

For instance, to figure out the effectiveness of a certain supplment, you would want to take as many people as you can, break them into individualized groups that share the same qualities, such as muscle mass and height etc. and then control all vairables such as diet,training and nutrition and duration.

It wont matter if someone is a Bodybuilder or not since the genetics are the same.  Humans do not vary much at all.

[The True Adonis]

Exactly but the supplement companies do not tell you that when they put something on the market.  They just say we have scientific proof than an individual taking our supplement on avg gains 10lbs of muscle in a month and you buy it thinking you will gain 10lbs of muscle.  If you as a consumer do some research and find out what the variables of the study were you would know they are selling snake oil.

Oh trust me I have

That is why I say nearly all supplement and protein powders are garbage

[danielson]

Oh trust me I have

That is why I say nearly all supplement and protein powders are garbage

TA, I have a serious question. I don't eat very much at all, never have. I don't get very much protein, but I do drink Musclemilks frequently. About 4 a day. Are they a waste for someone like me who doesn't eat many calories?

[The True Adonis]

TA, I have a serious question. I don't eat very much at all, never have. I don't get very much protein, but I do drink Musclemilks frequently. About 4 a day. Are they a waste for someone like me who doesn't eat many calories?

Not at all.

IF that is what you like to drink.

Nothing wrong with them at all.

[danielson]

Not at all.

IF that is what you like to drink.

Nothing wrong with them at all.

Cool. I can't stand the Pure Proteins, I hate sugary things. Musclemilks remind me of milkshakes. Thanks.

[sarcasm]

TA, I have a serious question. I don't eat very much at all, never have. I don't get very much protein, but I do drink my boyfriend's ballmilk frequently. About 4 a day. Are they a waste for someone like me who doesn't eat many calories?

oh brother.

[danielson]

oh brother.

Maybe your mom can buy you some too Sarcasm, they are actually good. Tell her less writing Ron letters and more grocery shopping.

[Palpatine Q]

there are plenty of breakthrough studies done on dietary intake/muscle biopsies/roles of nutrients ect.. yet none of these magazines or internet boards relates them to new diet and workout plans

seems like people are still hooked on 80's and 90's technology

Fat is still fat, muscle is still muscle and 80 lbs. is still  80lbs.

90% of the people posting here will stay basically the same size and weight  No matter how hard they train or how much protein they eat. They will make a bit of progress but nothing dramatic unless they hit the sauce.But you are not going to see a guy like Bigmc hit the weights and turn into a beast. Then there are the lucky few (myself, Meso,daddywaddy, bast), that have a genetic predisposition the grow muscle, and we are the guys who get BIG. You will never rise above your genetics no matter what exotic protocol you adhere to. That's life

[Marty Champions]

Fat is still fat, muscle is still muscle and 80 lbs. is still  80lbs.

90% of the people posting here will stay basically the same size and weight  No matter how hard they train or how much protein they eat. They will make a bit of progress but nothing dramatic unless they hit the sauce.But you are not going to see a guy like Bigmc hit the weights and turn into a beast. Then there are the lucky few (myself, Meso,daddywaddy, bast), that have a genetic predisposition the grow muscle, and we are the guys who get BIG. You will never rise above your genetics no matter what exotic protocol you adhere to. That's life

you know nothing about intramuscular triglycerides obviously. you know nothing about the mitochondria of the cell and how fat is the main part of it obviously... you are still stuck in 80's 90's mentality bro. you are ignorang a big chunk of research that is taking place on this