Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...

[Hulkster]

Oh Brother...  Hulkster, the Dorian dellusion is embarrassing to look at... 

tell me about it..

[NarcissisticDeity]

that is exactly what I said moron!

He came in lighter to go for conditioning rather than size because of mainly Taylor (and Ray) in 1992

its right out of flex mag.

oh, and in 1993 he had a supergut standing in the symmetry round compared to 1992.

you, my friend, are a retard.

Kid listen to me , Vince Taylor wasn't a thread to Yates , he wasn't a threat to Haney , Shawn Ray & Lee Labrada were Dorians ' threats ' for the 1992 Mr Olympia and they were going to be super sharp so Yates desided NOT to take any chances and come in shredded , I have his book and I have Flex's magazines coverage of the contest !

and he didn't have a ' super gut ' clueless he had thicker obliques because he was 15lbs heavier , if you need refference to a gut see Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 ASC

[NarcissisticDeity]

92 vs. 93 conditioning.

notice: 92 has more definition in the abs. Arms and quads as smooth as ever...

ND, you are such a tool.

you are very easy to prove wrong.

Wow another accurate comparision  idiot its two differnt pictures and ones black & white for christs sake !! I have every single magazine coverage from 1993 Mr Olympia and ALL said he dumbfounded how he could come in 15lbs heavier with THE EXACT SAME CONDITIONING , Hulkster you still have a long way to go before you learn anything.

[NarcissisticDeity]

tell me about it..

Same contest , Ronnie wishes he had this combo 

[Hulkster]

Wow another accurate comparision  idiot its two differnt pictures and ones black & white for christs sake !! I have every single magazine coverage from 1993 Mr Olympia and ALL said he dumbfounded how he could come in 15lbs heavier with THE EXACT SAME CONDITIONING , Hulkster you still have a long way to go before you learn anything.

and, you, ND, have a long way to go before most people will agree with what you say most of the time..

ps you should not be the one complaining about black and white comparisons.

they are your ace in the hole for making your hero look good.

he never looks as grainy in colour.

[jwb]

Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?

[NarcissisticDeity]

and, you, ND, have a long way to go before most people will agree with what you say most of the time..

ps you should not be the one complaining about black and white comparisons.

they are your ace in the hole for making your hero look good.

he never looks as grainy in colour.

Again I don't need the majority of the uninformed to agree with me thats your hang up , the judges agreed with me and thats all that matters  and I'm not complaining its two seperate photos and he has the same conditioning in both photos you're just not that bright to comprehend that .

Anyway you keep posting that pic from 1995 acting like its bad lol Yates owned everyone in 95 it was like 1993 all over again everyone just got demoralized it wasn't even close !

[Hulkster]

Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?

no, and neither has ND.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?

He's seen Nimrod Kings calves lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, and neither has ND.

Ah but I'm not claiming he was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time  you internet fan boi

[jwb]

no, and neither has ND.

you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...

forget certain bodyparts being weaker or less than perfect structure- every pro is in that situation in some way - even flex and shawn were too narrow and too short respectively to beat him.

the other thing is, which this 94 video shows, is that he was way better in MOTION than in stills. He knew how to hide his problems and posed accordingly.

smartest bodybuilder of the modern era...

[NarcissisticDeity]

you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...

forget certain bodyparts being weaker or less than perfect structure- every pro is in that situation in some way - even flex and shawn were too narrow and too short respectively to beat him.

the other thing is, which this 94 video shows, is that he was way better in MOTION than in stills. He knew how to hide his problems and posed accordingly.

smartest bodybuilder of the modern era...

According to Hulkster he is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time !! lol

[Hulkster]

He's seen Nimrod Kings calves lol

Nimrod was badass during his day.

he actually won a grand prix pro show in 1989

[jwb]

According to Hulkster he is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time !! lol

Dorian changed everything... whether that ended up being a good thing is open to debate

[Hulkster]

you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...

you can say this about every single pro.

that being the case, can you imagine What Ronnie 1999 must have looked like up close:


it must have been unreal. a level above dorian

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian changed everything... whether that ended up being a good thing is open to debate

Oh I agree but only the flooish deny his greatness .

[jwb]

you can say this about every single pro.

that being the case, can you imagine What Ronnie 1999 must have looked like up close:


it must have been unreal. a level above dorian

some pros look worse in person IMO.

ronnie looked awesome in that lighting at the 1999 english grand prix and he is an awesome bodybuilder but yates, at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...

[NarcissisticDeity]

some pros look worse in person IMO.

ronnie looked awesome in that lighting at the 1999 english grand prix and he is an awesome bodybuilder but yates, at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...

Hey some one who gets it !! I told Hulkster that 99 Grand Prix was an in shape Ronnie with extremely great lighting but he seems to think thats the best anyones ever looked in any contest in the history of the sport , you try and talk some sense into the kid but he's thick ! and Ronnie has the advantage of naturally darker skin  and Dorian has naturally fair skin , so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.

[jwb]

Hey some one who gets it !! I told Hulkster that 99 Grand Prix was an in shape Ronnie with extremely great lighting but he seems to think thats the best anyones ever looked in any contest in the history of the sport , you try and talk some sense into the kid but he's thick ! and Ronnie has the advantage of naturally darker skin  and Dorian has naturally fair skin , so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.

a good example is the 88 british amateur titles where yates blew everyone away and got his pro card at about 220-225lbs.

the lighting was pretty similar to the 99 britsh pro and yates looked crazy hard... it is on the beginning of blood and guts for the doubters.

now, yates at 257 five years later in even harder shape - read better and more drugs helping out here too - would have looked spastic in that the lighting...

[Hulkster]

at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...

no, it would have been the exact opposite:


compare kevin and Ronnie in these shots.

Ronnie is more impressive because his natural muscle shape and detail looks better under the fantastic lighting than someone with less shape and detail.

Yates would have run into the same problem as Kevin..

the same of course, applies to ANY lighting, but the grand prix lighting being probably the greatest lit contest ever, makes this effect even more pronounced.

Sometimes, you have to look deeper into things.

what appears to be obvious is not always the case.

[Hulkster]

so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.

no amount or lack of lighting will make these arms appear detailed:


they look the same in every pic..

[Hulkster]

I do think however, that dorian's superb lower back would have looked insane under the 99 grand prix lighting.

[Necrosis]

dorian looks small as shit in that video stop kidding yourselves, his arms,quads along with delts and chest look like shit. his back isnt even that great, in the avatars knny posted his lat spread sucks, shawn back was more detailed.

[jwb]

no, it would have been the exact opposite:


compare kevin and Ronnie in these shots.

Ronnie is more impressive because his natural muscle shape and detail looks better under the fantastic lighting than someone with less shape and detail.

Yates would have run into the same problem as Kevin..

the same of course, applies to ANY lighting, but the grand prix lighting being probably the greatest lit contest ever, makes this effect even more pronounced.

Sometimes, you have to look deeper into things.

what appears to be obvious is not always the case.

you're talking about pictures i'm talking about in person dude... in person yates would have looked great in that contest.

would he have beaten ronnie that day in his 1993 shape?  dunno, but I would have paid $1000 plus to witness that showdown

[Hulkster]

this keeps coming up:

people say Yates doesn't look that great in the pictures but he looks fantastic in person.

but what is never acknowledged is what does this tell us about how the guys who look fantastic in the pics would look live and in person?

The fact that they would look even better is swept under the carpet and ignored...