Author Topic: Another day of torture in Baghdad (Read 2157 times)

pumpster · « **on:** October 21, 2006, 08:27:44 AM »

How many Iraqis are being tortured in Baghdad at present? Precise numbers are obviously in short supply on this one, but large numbers of bodies are found in and around the capital every single day, a result of the roiling civil war already under way there.

A variety of signs of torture found amongst the dead, including "gouged-out eyeballs, head, torso and hand wounds caused by power drills, broken bones of legs and hands, electric and cigarette burns ... acid-induced injuries and burns caused by chemical substances, missing skin. To extract information or admissions, children are being tortured in front of their parents."

The UN's chief anti-torture expert, Manfred Nowak, believes that torture in Iraq is now not only "totally out of hand" but "worse" than under dictator Saddam Hussein.

240 is Back · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2006, 09:13:58 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 21, 2006, 08:27:44 AM

The UN's chief anti-torture expert, Manfred Nowak, believes that torture in Iraq is now not only "totally out of hand" but "worse" than under dictator Saddam Hussein.

Incredible. What a sad situation.

JasonH · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2006, 10:33:59 AM »

Animals, the whole bloody lot of em - get the troops home and let them sort out their own miserable country.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2006, 11:34:47 AM »

Quote from: BigJ on October 21, 2006, 10:33:59 AM

Animals, the whole bloody lot of em - get the troops home and let them sort out their own miserable country.

You and your fucking Gi-Joe troops are the animals, they willingly went there and put a stable leader out of power, which has lead to this chaos.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2006, 11:37:29 AM »

Quote from: Camel Jockey on October 21, 2006, 11:34:47 AM

You and your fucking Gi-Joe troops are the animals, they willingly went there and put a stable leader out of power, which has lead to this chaos.

"Stable leader"

And of course there was no violence, government-sanctioned torture, plundering, etc. before the U.S. showed up.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2006, 11:48:41 AM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on October 21, 2006, 11:37:29 AM

"Stable leader"

And of course there was no violence, government-sanctioned torture, plundering, etc. before the U.S. showed up.

He kept those shia in check. Gased the fuckers straight to hell.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2006, 12:04:12 PM »

Quote from: Camel Jockey on October 21, 2006, 11:48:41 AM

He kept those shia in check. Gased the fuckers straight to hell.

So, you're either a Sunni, or Shi'ite muzzie, which one is it Camel Rapist?

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2006, 01:05:12 PM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on October 21, 2006, 12:04:12 PM

So, you're either a Sunni, or Shi'ite muzzie, which one is it Camel Rapist?

I meant he kept the Shai minority in check.

Now they have fucking malatias with aks and rpgs.

gordiano · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2006, 02:28:13 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 21, 2006, 08:27:44 AM

How many Iraqis are being tortured in Baghdad at present? Precise numbers are obviously in short supply on this one, but large numbers of bodies are found in and around the capital every single day, a result of the roiling civil war already under way there.

A variety of signs of torture found amongst the dead, including "gouged-out eyeballs, head, torso and hand wounds caused by power drills, broken bones of legs and hands, electric and cigarette burns ... acid-induced injuries and burns caused by chemical substances, missing skin. To extract information or admissions, children are being tortured in front of their parents."

The UN's chief anti-torture expert, Manfred Nowak, believes that torture in Iraq is now not only "totally out of hand" but "worse" than under dictator Saddam Hussein.

UNREAL.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2006, 05:09:50 PM »

Quote from: Camel Jockey on October 21, 2006, 11:34:47 AM

You and your fucking Gi-Joe troops are the animals, they willingly went there and put a stable leader out of power, which has lead to this chaos.

Are you that freaking dence to not realize that the only reason why he was "stable" is because anyone that crossed him would die a horrible death.......BTW, don't you live here (America)?

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2006, 05:27:07 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on October 21, 2006, 05:09:50 PM

Are you that freaking dence to not realize that the only reason why he was "stable" is because anyone that crossed him would die a horrible death.......

True, but it's still far better than what they have now. Authoritarian control is the only way to manage a country like Iraq. Bush was unbelievably shortsighted to think we could go in there and make democracy work.

pumpster · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2006, 05:55:23 PM »

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True, but it's still far better than what they have now.

Easy to say in hindsight; Hussein did everything to seem as guilty of being a threat as possible. Therefore, the alternative might not have been so pretty either if it had been true.

OzmO · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2006, 06:02:03 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on October 21, 2006, 05:27:07 PM

True, but it's still far better than what they have now. Authoritarian control is the only way to manage a country like Iraq. Bush was unbelievably shortsighted to think we could go in there and make democracy work.

Whoi's to say they aren't using those methods now?

pumpster · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2006, 06:11:12 PM »

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Whoi's to say they aren't using those methods now?

Would be interesting to know what Hussein was doing that was more effective in controlling them, whatever it was should've been done a long time ago.

OzmO · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2006, 08:33:30 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 21, 2006, 06:11:12 PM

Would be interesting to know what Hussein was doing that was more effective in controlling them, whatever it was should've been done a long time ago.

Yeah it would be, but he had the power of fear. Once he was gone and everyone started pillaging the government buildings and the US didn't have thr troops to do anything about it, the power of the insurgency started to grow and grow.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2006, 08:37:05 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 21, 2006, 06:11:12 PM

Would be interesting to know what Hussein was doing that was more effective in controlling them, whatever it was should've been done a long time ago.

He had his country scared shitless of him, thats what he did!

OzmO · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2006, 09:01:32 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on October 21, 2006, 08:37:05 PM

He had his country scared shitless of him, thats what he did!

Yep and there was little or no terrorists in Iraq, no insurgency, no american deaths, no WMD's that mattered.......... Just him occassionally abusing his poeple like many other dictators around the world in places like darfur, n. korea, chillie, central america etc...

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2006, 09:41:15 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on October 21, 2006, 09:01:32 PM

Just him occassionally abusing his poeple like many other dictators around the world in places like darfur, n. korea, chillie, central america etc...

Yeah, nice guy.....thats why he's on trial for genocide

!!

OzmO · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2006, 09:58:16 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on October 21, 2006, 09:41:15 PM

Yeah, nice guy.....thats why he's on trial for genocide !!

So how many American soldiers are you willing to sacrafice for IRan, N. Korea, Central American and Africa so you can bring these bastards to justice?

20K?

50K

100K?

It's worth it right? so long as no one you know or anyone in your family has to feel the loss?

How many kids have to grow up with out fathers? How many 19 year olds need to get crippled for life?

240 is Back · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2006, 10:16:41 PM »

I wish they had rolled a grenade into sadaam's little spider hole.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2006, 10:17:18 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on October 21, 2006, 09:58:16 PM

So how many American soldiers are you willing to sacrafice for IRan, N. Korea, Central American and Africa so you can bring these bastards to justice?

20K?

50K

100K?

It's worth it right? so long as no one you know or anyone in your family has to feel the loss?

How many kids have to grow up with out fathers? How many 19 year olds need to get crippled for life?

What part of VOLUNTEER military don't you get? And people are re-enlisting more and more everyday!!

Dos Equis · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2006, 11:22:12 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on October 21, 2006, 10:17:18 PM

What part of VOLUNTEER military don't you get? And people are re-enlisting more and more everyday!!

Excellent point. Clubber mentioned that earlier. All volunteer force. Stop pretending like these men and women are fighting against their will. Many of them joined while we were already at war.

ieffinhatecardio · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2006, 04:38:08 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on October 21, 2006, 10:17:18 PM

What part of VOLUNTEER military don't you get? And people are re-enlisting more and more everyday!!

Notice how you didn't answer the question. It doesn't matter if the soldiers volunteered, the question didn't pertain to whether or not they enlisted or were drafted.

In your opinion what is an acceptable number of deaths of US soldiers in Iraq or any other country whose regime rules by tyranny if we were to engage them?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2006, 09:01:31 AM »

There is never an "acceptable number of deaths" in any conflict.