Author Topic: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER could have won 10 MR OLYMPIAS... (Read 5653 times)

the shadow · « **on:** October 22, 2006, 11:28:07 AM »

arnold retired at a very young age.he was 28yrs old when he won his last olympia.arnold ws one of the guys who redefined the word focus.he really enjoyed bodybuilding and come contest time he was just focused and trained hard as ever.anrold won his first olympia at the age of 22.we all know arnie had unlimited potential and if he had continued to compete for the next 7yrs he would have had atleast 10 olympias.arnolds looked spectacular in his last real olympia win in 1975(i don't count his 1980 win as a real win).if arnold continued to compete with his 1974/75 or better he could have been 10 time mr olympia..he had no flaw

Gord · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2006, 11:47:15 AM »

In reality Arnold retired after the 1974 Olympia (without saying so) and went on to make the movie "Stay Hungry" for which he lost a lot of weight and size.

He only decided to compete in the 1975 to make Pumping Iron and really didn't have that much time to put mass back on for that show. The result was that although he was in sharp condition for the 1975 show he didn't have the mass of 1974 or even 1973, his best two years. Also, after 1975 Arnold effectively stopped training seriously for almost four years and was probably a natural for most of that time until 10 weeks or so before he resumed training for the 1980 Olympia.

If Arnold had decided to continue training seriously and competing uninterrupted all the way from 1974 to the early 1980s (when he would still be in his mid 30s) who knows how much better he would've got. That's I why I think we never saw Arnold getting even near his full potential as a competitor. We never saw the very Best Arnold Schwarzenneger.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2006, 11:47:29 AM »

Arnold could have won up until Haney came along , he beat everyone who won before that .

davidpaul · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2006, 11:53:14 AM »

If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

pumpster · « **Reply #4 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:07:36 PM »

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If Arnold had decided to continue training seriously and competing uninterrupted all the way from 1974 to the early 1980s (when he would still be in his mid 30s) who knows how much better he would've got. That's I why I think we never saw Arnold getting even near his full potential as a competitor. We never saw the very Best Arnold Schwarzenneger.

I think he peaked in '73-74 and knew it, thus the retirement; no reason to assume he'd have gotten better if he himself didn't think so.

As far as numbers of Olympias it's moot given the commercial nature of the IFBB/Weider, the fact that they were not public and never had to account for the arbitrary ways in which they decided to do business. The AMI mess a couple of years ago was the tip of an iceberg that's rarely seen but gives a good clue as to what we've been missing.

Thinking in terms of numbers fails to address the suspect results of various contests that has served to devalue the legitimacy of the overall records-something like Barry Bonds' home runs actually. Especially ludicrous considering the greats who were prevented from winning even once whiel the sycophants rhapsodize about Schwarzenegger, showing little in the way of perspective.

Slick Vic · « **Reply #5 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:09:01 PM »

10 Mr. Olympia wins? Hell, Arnold could've won as much as 11 if he continued his Olympia reign from 1976 to 1979. And yes, I feel Arnold's 1980 Mr. Olympia win was legit.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Mr. Olympia (1970-1980)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #6 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:09:41 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 22, 2006, 12:07:36 PM

I think he peaked in '73-74 and knew it, thus the retirement; no reason to assume he'd have gotten better if he himself didn't think so.

As far as numbers of Olympias one it's moot given the commercial nature of the IFBB/Weider, the fact that they were not public and don't have to divulge how they ddi business. Thinking in terms of numbers is Iron Age stuff.

Boo-Hoo Arnold beat my hero Sergio lol its been over 30 years get over it lol

pumpster · « **Reply #7 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:16:15 PM »

Again completely off, coming from an Iron Age clone. I've always said the two best were those guys, one not better than the other you dummy.

I think he has ADD, always veers away from the issue at hand onto bitchy tangents.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:22:15 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 22, 2006, 12:16:15 PM

Again completely off, coming from an Iron Age clone. I've always said the two best were those guys, one not better than the other you dummy.

I think he has ADD, always veers away from the issue at hand onto bitchy tangents.

Arnold owns you !! The King of Bodybuilding !!

Gord · « **Reply #9 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:25:56 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 22, 2006, 12:07:36 PM

I think he peaked in '73-74 and knew it, thus the retirement; no reason to assume he'd have gotten better if he himself didn't think so.....

How would you what Arnold thought? And what do you base your "theory" that he peaked in 73-74? As far as I know, he retired from BB to persue a movie career. At that time there was nothing left for Arnold to achieve competition wise.

I base my view, that he never reached his full potential, on the fact that when Arnold retired from serious training and competition he was only 27-28 years old; an age when many top pro competitors, in the modern era, were amateurs and didn't make it to the pro ranks and fulfill their full potential until in their 30s. Ronnie Coleman (who you admire endlessly) didn't even win his first Olympia until he was 33.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:31:05 PM »

Quote from: Gord on October 22, 2006, 12:25:56 PM

How would you what Arnold thought? And what do you base your "theory" that he peaked in 73-74? As far as I know, he retired from BB to persue a movie career. At that time there was nothing left for Arnold to achieve competition wise.

I base my view, that he never reached his full potential, on the fact that when Arnold retired from serious training and competition he was only 27-28 years old; an age when many top pro competitors, in the modern era, were amateurs and didn't make it to the pro ranks and fulfill their full potential until in their 30s. Ronnie Coleman (who you admire endlessly) didn't even win his first Olympia until he was 33.

Great point , pumpy your ass just got owned

pumpster · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2006, 01:04:10 PM »

What a surprise, two Iron Age clones congratulating themselves on agreeing over their hero, ND all proud of herself over nothing. hahahaahahahahaha

I mean, how predictable is it that these two will take turns patting themselves on the back as part of a Arnold ball-worship thread?

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How would you what Arnold thought? And what do you base your "theory" that he peaked in 73-74? As far as I know, he retired from BB to persue a movie career. At that time there was nothing left for Arnold to achieve competition wise.

Gord admitting that his "theory" is only guessing, vs. what actually happened. Acting career was probably part of it-some of us don't limit ourselves to blacks & whites or fixations over myopic sites.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2006, 01:15:53 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on October 22, 2006, 01:04:10 PM

What a surprise, two Iron Age clones congratulating themselves on agreeing over their hero, ND all proud of herself over nothing. hahahaahahahahaha

I mean, how predictable is it that these two will take turns patting themselves on the back as part of a Arnold ball-worship thread?
Gord admitting that his "theory" is only guessing, vs. what actually happened. Acting career was probably part of it-some of us don't limit ourselves to blacks & whites or fixations over myopic sites.

meltdown lol

alexxx · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2006, 04:57:23 PM »

Arnold decided to retire in 1974 because their was no more challenge left for him. Who could say that? Dorian retired because of injuries. Haney retired because of Dorian and it was his year. Ronnie lost to a mediocre bodybuilder and is still chasing that hefty trophy.

Arnold could of went on to win as many Olympias as he wanted.

Wee Laddy · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2006, 05:07:30 PM »

Arnold wasn't chasing any Olympia record. Haney chased Arnold, Dorian chased Haney, and Coleman chased Haney.

Plus, Arnold is the only bodybuilder who could be bigger than the sport, so he left.

MCWAY · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2006, 08:54:48 PM »

Quote from: Wee Laddy on October 22, 2006, 05:07:30 PM

Arnold wasn't chasing any Olympia record. Haney chased Arnold, Dorian chased Haney, and Coleman chased Haney.

Plus, Arnold is the only bodybuilder who could be bigger than the sport, so he left.

Arnold chased Sergio's record, which he surpassed in 1973, with 4 Olympia wins.

Quote from: alexxx on October 22, 2006, 04:57:23 PM

Arnold decided to retire in 1974 because their was no more challenge left for him. Who could say that? Dorian retired because of injuries. Haney retired because of Dorian and it was his year. Ronnie lost to a mediocre bodybuilder and is still chasing that hefty trophy.

Arnold could of went on to win as many Olympias as he wanted.

Excuse me. The only milestone for Haney to pass was Arnold's record of 7 Olympias. He did that in 1991; and with nothing left to prove, he retired. I don't know where you came up with this idea of Haney retiring because of Dorian Yates. But, that ain't the way it happened.

OneMoreRep · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2006, 08:59:13 PM »

Hell, forget about 10 Mr. Olympias, Arnold could have won 36 Mr. Olympias based on the way the contest is judged.

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:34:33 AM »

The possibilities of KING ARNOLD are endless

rccs · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:47:17 AM »

Quote from: the shadow on October 22, 2006, 11:28:07 AM

arnold retired at a very young age.he was 28yrs old when he won his last olympia.arnold ws one of the guys who redefined the word focus.he really enjoyed bodybuilding and come contest time he was just focused and trained hard as ever.anrold won his first olympia at the age of 22.we all know arnie had unlimited potential and if he had continued to compete for the next 7yrs he would have had atleast 10 olympias.arnolds looked spectacular in his last real olympia win in 1975(i don't count his 1980 win as a real win).if arnold continued to compete with his 1974/75 or better he could have been 10 time mr olympia..he had no flaw

Well, I must say that it would be perfectly possible. 10 wins in a row would have been almost impossible to achieve for any other athlete!

THE ROCK · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:50:31 AM »

Arnold had more synthol in his chest and biceps than valentino and Jake Strause combined. I have never seen what the big deal about this "freak" was. He should have stayed in russia or Germany or wherever it was he was from, where he belonged.

rccs · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:54:20 AM »

Quote from: THE ROCK on October 23, 2006, 04:50:31 AM

Arnold had more synthol in his chest and biceps than valentino and Jake Strause combined. I have never seen what the big deal about this "freak" was. He should have stayed in russia or Germany or wherever it was he was from, where he belonged.

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:58:42 AM »

IF, heath had my face and cock size he would rule the world. So let's not speculate on "would have, could have, should have, IFs and Maybes", deal with reality

Playboy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2006, 05:03:28 AM »

Quote from: the shadow on October 22, 2006, 11:28:07 AM

arnold retired at a very young age.he was 28yrs old when he won his last olympia.arnold ws one of the guys who redefined the word focus.he really enjoyed bodybuilding and come contest time he was just focused and trained hard as ever.anrold won his first olympia at the age of 22.we all know arnie had unlimited potential and if he had continued to compete for the next 7yrs he would have had atleast 10 olympias.arnolds looked spectacular in his last real olympia win in 1975(i don't count his 1980 win as a real win).if arnold continued to compete with his 1974/75 or better he could have been 10 time mr olympia..he had no flaw

Agreed 100%.

PB

Slick Vic · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2006, 06:22:21 AM »

Arnold felt he had nothing else to prove in 1974 after his 'last' Olympia win so that he can concentrate on a career in showbiz. It wasn't until the encouragement of George Butler that Arnold compete one last time in 1975 for the film Pumping Iron which he [Arnold] felt would give him a good boost.

And we all know he caught the competitive bug again while training for his role in Conan to win the 1980 Mr. Olympia again and to shut Frank Zane's mouth when Arnold asked at the 1979 Mr. Olympia how his win felt, 'It feels great. Almost as great when I beat you at the Mr. Universe.'

the shadow · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:27:57 AM »

Quote from: Slick Vic on October 23, 2006, 06:22:21 AM

Arnold felt he had nothing else to prove in 1974 after his 'last' Olympia win so that he can concentrate on a career in showbiz. It wasn't until the encouragement of George Butler that Arnold compete one last time in 1975 for the film Pumping Iron which he [Arnold] felt would give him a good boost.

And we all know he caught the competitive bug again while training for his role in Conan to win the 1980 Mr. Olympia again and to shut Frank Zane's mouth when Arnold asked at the 1979 Mr. Olympia how his win felt, 'It feels great. Almost as great when I beat you at the Mr. Universe.'

but it would have been really awesome if arnie competed a couple more times after 1975.i would have loved to see a bigger arnold in the coming years after 1975.according to me arnie looked spectacular at the olympia 1975 and i think he would have gotten a bit bigger if he competed the next 6 or 7 yrs.arnie was 240lbs for the 1975 olympia.if he competed more i guess arnie could have bulked to 260lbs or so.this guy was the read deal.sad it never happened