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Author Topic: Experts warn Congress of e-voting woes; paper-trail mandate fails  (Read 1646 times)
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« on: October 22, 2006, 05:00:15 PM »

September 28, 2006 (Computerworld) -- With hotly contested nationwide elections just weeks away, several computer experts today questioned the reliability and security of e-voting systems during a congressional committee hearing.

Access doors of thousands of Diebold AccuVote-TS touch-screen systems can all be opened with the same key -- a type commonly used for office furniture, jukeboxes and hotel minibars, Princeton University computer science professor Edward Felten told the committee. That door protects the removable memory card that stores votes.

"Though some claim that election procedures will prevent the kinds of problems we identified, the rigid procedures described in vendor manuals are often ignored in practice," said Felten, co-author of a study that was highly critical of Diebold Election Systems Inc.'s AccuVote TS.

Also today, the Committee on House Administration took no action on legislation proposed by Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.) aimed at remedying e-voting vulnerabilities. The Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act (HR 550), introduced last February, now has more than 200 bipartisan co-sponsors.

Among its various provisions, HR 550 would mandate that each machine produce a paper receipt that could be used in a recount. The bill also calls for e-voting vendors to offer greater transparency to their software. By not sending the bill to the floor for a vote, the committee missed any chance of ensuring that November's elections would produce auditable results, Holt said.

The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002 was aimed at preventing the sort of notorious failures such as occurred in Florida in 2000 due to disputes over manually operated punch-card systems.

Some $3 billion was earmarked under HAVA to fund state compliance, with most of that money going to purchase e-voting gear, said committee chairman Rep. Vernon Ehlers (R-Mich.) in his opening remarks for the hearing. "Though HAVA did not require the adoption of any particular kind of technology, many jurisdictions purchased electronic voting systems because they felt these systems were best able to meet the requirements of HAVA," said Ehlers.

"Not surprisingly, some jurisdictions using this new equipment for the first time have encountered some difficulties," he said. Ehlers cited recent problems in Montgomery County, Md., with e-voting gear (see "Maryland county struggles with e-voting 'fiasco'").

Earlier this week, Holt submitted an amendment to HAVA to reimburse any voting jurisdictions that print out paper ballots for voters who prefer not to cast their votes on touch-screen voting gear this November. Similar legislation was filed by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) in the Senate. The bill calls for up to 75 cents to be spent per paper ballot.

Holt estimated that it would probably cost no more than $10 million, based on the estimate of the number of voters in precincts using touch-screen gear that don't offer a paper trail. He told Computerworld he offered the amendment because he didn't expect HR 550 to be passed this year.

"We thought in light of the problems we've seen, most recently in Maryland, that collectively, these problems were shaking voters' confidence," he said. "We thought if jurisdictions want to give voters another choice, we should support them in that."

Holt declined to predict when or if the emergency amendment would pass. Like all House members, Holt is up for re-election this year, and his district uses e-voting gear. "Certainly, any voting system that is not verifiable and auditable is of concern," he said.

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 05:08:51 PM »

  Flawed voting during an election. Rings a bell.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 05:16:11 PM »

Lou Dobbs has done 40 stories on it so far this year. 

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 06:51:03 PM »

Got paper?

Up here in Canada, we've always done old fashioned paper ballots, and we can always get ALL the votes counted the very night of the election. They're introducing e-voting machines in our upcoming municipal elections, ...but they have a paper trail. The technology exists to have clean electronic voting tabulators with a verifiable paper trail. One can only speculate as to why it isn't used.

A friend of mine in LA used to always say, ...it's not who is doing the voting. It's who is ounting the votes that counts. He used to say this way back even before the 2000 elections. Was he ever right!  Shocked
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 07:53:49 PM »

i don't understand how some politicians are against voters being required to show ID's. 
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 07:56:27 PM »

Got paper?

Up here in Canada, we've always done old fashioned paper ballots, and we can always get ALL the votes counted the very night of the election. They're introducing e-voting machines in our upcoming municipal elections, ...but they have a paper trail. The technology exists to have clean electronic voting tabulators with a verifiable paper trail. One can only speculate as to why it isn't used.

A friend of mine in LA used to always say, ...it's not who is doing the voting. It's who is ounting the votes that counts. He used to say this way back even before the 2000 elections. Was he ever right!  Shocked
Don't get too fucking comfy up there... You know I like you but you always come across like Canada is impervious and above this shit... Don't think for a second that this fascist corporate/police state NWO machine doesn't have a hardon for Canada too and that this shit can't happen to Canada.  It can all change overnight.  I grew up in Wyoming around nothing but anti-government extreme freedom loving don't trust a single politician rednecks.  All warned of what government would try to do some day...  All were for the hard working individual American over big business... In school and even in Sunday school, there were the constant warnings of what should be guarded against... Of course from the Sunday School perspective, the devil was going to be behind the attack on freedom... Now WTF... It's like they and all those warnings are gone gone gone... Invasion of the fucking Body Snatchers... Litterally all they can talk about is Liberals and fags... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2006, 08:02:47 PM »

i don't understand how some politicians are against voters being required to show ID's. 
Well I guess that doesn't much matter when all their votes legal or not can be switched to reflect the desired outcome of the hacker.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2006, 08:12:52 PM »

Don't get too fucking comfy up there...

{LOL}

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You know I like you but you always come across like Canada is impervious and above this shit...

We are! ...for now Tongue

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Don't think for a second that this fascist corporate/police state NWO machine doesn't have a hardon for Canada too and that this shit can't happen to Canada.  It can all change overnight.

If and when the change comes... it could be a lot swifter than when it happened in the USA. As a rule, we generally don't like to make waves, ...but as to how it will happen if it does, ...that I don't know. I know it sure as shit won't happen the way it did in your neck of the woods. It was sooo obvious to us up here, but we just blew it off as "stupid Americans"... not realizing just how deep and pervasive it would become. 

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I grew up in Wyoming around nothing but anti-government extreme freedom loving don't trust a single politician rednecks.  All warned of what government would try to do some day...  All were for the hard working individual American over big business... In school and even in Sunday school, there were the constant warnings of what should be guarded against... Of course from the Sunday School perspective, the devil was going to be behind the attack on freedom...

I think the Sunday school version was right on target, ...remember what Hugo Chavez said about the devil...

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Now WTF... It's like they and all those warnings are gone gone gone... Invasion of the fucking Body Snatchers... Litterally all they can talk about is Liberals and fags... Roll Eyes

"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" is a pretty accurate description. I just hope one day soon, the rest of your country will wake up and say WTF, ...and reverse this before it's too late. In the meantime, we're still lettin' y'all pour across our border.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 08:25:11 PM »

{LOL}

We are! ...for now Tongue

If and when the change comes... it could be a lot swifter than when it happened in the USA. As a rule, we generally don't like to make waves, ...but as to how it will happen if it does, ...that I don't know. I know it sure as shit won't happen the way it did in your neck of the woods. It was sooo obvious to us up here, but we just blew it off as "stupid Americans"... not realizing just how deep and pervasive it would become. 

I think the Sunday school version was right on target, ...remember what Hugo Chavez said about the devil...

"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" is a pretty accurate description. I just hope one day soon, the rest of your country will wake up and say WTF, ...and reverse this before it's too late. In the meantime, we're still lettin' y'all pour across our border.
Are you kidding, we'll go down, lose our freedom and sovereignty but be happy as all hell we put an end to faggotry Grin
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2006, 10:13:28 PM »

If a Republican wins it's fixed....if a Democrate wins it's not fixed......Liberal Philosophy 101 Undecided!
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2006, 11:03:18 PM »

If a Republican wins it's fixed....if a Democrate wins it's not fixed......Liberal Philosophy 101 Undecided!
No... Diebold philosophy 101 Grin
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2006, 11:04:23 PM »

Either fucking way Int... Do you want a liberal to be able to hack into these machines and change the election?
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2006, 11:24:35 PM »

Are you kidding, we'll go down, lose our freedom and sovereignty but be happy as all hell we put an end to faggotry Grin

{ROTFLMAO} 

I'm sorry for laughing, ...but the prophetic yet absurd irony of your comment is not lost on me.
What a world huh? It's like a bad nightmare, ...except you're wide awake.

Not to worry tho, ...there's always 'Dancing with the Stars"  Grin (sorry couldn't resist... nervous comment)  Cry
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