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Winston Churchill
« on: October 26, 2006, 02:31:26 AM »
"Liberalism is not Socialism, and never will be. There is a great gulf fixed. It is not a gulf of method, it is a gulf of principle. […] Socialism seeks to pull down wealth. Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference […] Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly."--Winston Churchill

“If a man is not a liberal when he is 18, he has no heart. If a man is not a conservative when he is 30, he has no brain.” This quote is all over the net and often used by conservatives against liberals and attributed to Winston Churchill... When Sean Hannity spoke at Utah Valley Community College after addressing Michael Moore, Hannity turned his attention towards liberals in general, using the Winston Churchill quote, "If you're forty and not conservative, you don't have a brain," to which the crowd roared with approval.  The only problem... CHURCHILL NEVER SAID IT ::)

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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2006, 02:51:12 AM »
Ok, I'm confused. Which is it better to be - socialist or liberal? Or is there a third way?

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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2006, 03:08:26 AM »
The problem with European politics revolves entirely around socialism and the decay it is causing to the natives standards and general society.

The problem with Europe is this:

liberal = liberalism + socialism

But even now the conservatives in the middle right won't break out of the shackles of socialism so:

conservative = conservative + socialism.

The only place liberalism works is in america, but only because the socialism aspect is removed.
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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2006, 03:22:30 AM »
Ok, I'm confused. Which is it better to be - socialist or liberal? Or is there a third way?
Which is better? Freedom... so I guess that rules out socialism.  Conservatism has it's valuable aspects but so does Liberalism so perhaps there's a good balance between somewhere...  The one thing I know you don't want to be is a Neo-conservative--even conservatives sit around and say WTF?  If in doubt, give anything with "Neo" in it the bird ;D  Neo Liberalism = SHIT... Neo Conservatives = SHIT...

But it all depends on who you talk to... For guys like Intenseone, all liberals look like this:


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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2006, 03:52:16 AM »
But it all depends on who you talk to... For guys like Intenseone, all liberals look like this:

Intenseone was incorrect by saying ALL liberals look like that, when infact only 87.64% of liberals look like that.
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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2006, 07:26:09 AM »
Good stuff Beserker   :)


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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2006, 09:38:24 PM »
You're right, the "liberal at 18" quote has never been actually verified, so he very likely never said it, but Churchill was obviously in the Conservative Party.

I don't get your point though. It doesn't have anything to do with the American politcal sense of liberal and conservative, which is why people dig up that quote. In the quote you provided, he's using liberal in the broader scale, where Reagan and Clinton were both liberals (the broader sense being that you believe in liberty and freedom as a right for all people, as opposed to social liberalism), not the micro-sense where Reagan was a conservative and Clinton is a liberal.

Sean Hannity uses the quote he's arguing for social conservatism and against social liberalism, and the quote you provided doesn't exclude the possibility that Churchill said it, because he could have been talking about a different sense of liberalism.

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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2006, 09:54:44 PM »
You're right, the "liberal at 18" quote has never been actually verified, so he very likely never said it, but Churchill was obviously in the Conservative Party.

I don't get your point though. It doesn't have anything to do with the American politcal sense of liberal and conservative, which is why people dig up that quote. In the quote you provided, he's using liberal in the broader scale, where Reagan and Clinton were both liberals (the broader sense being that you believe in liberty and freedom as a right for all people, as opposed to social liberalism), not the micro-sense where Reagan was a conservative and Clinton is a liberal.

Sean Hannity uses the quote he's arguing for social conservatism and against social liberalism, and the quote you provided doesn't exclude the possibility that Churchill said it, because he could have been talking about a different sense of liberalism.
Then I think you got my point of the posting well... To people like Intenseone one, and there are many, liberalism only means one thing.

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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2006, 09:59:48 PM »
"Liberalism is not Socialism, and never will be. There is a great gulf fixed. It is not a gulf of method, it is a gulf of principle. […] Socialism seeks to pull down wealth. Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference […] Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly."--Winston Churchill

“If a man is not a liberal when he is 18, he has no heart. If a man is not a conservative when he is 30, he has no brain.” This quote is all over the net and often used by conservatives against liberals and attributed to Winston Churchill... When Sean Hannity spoke at Utah Valley Community College after addressing Michael Moore, Hannity turned his attention towards liberals in general, using the Winston Churchill quote, "If you're forty and not conservative, you don't have a brain," to which the crowd roared with approval.  The only problem... CHURCHILL NEVER SAID IT ::)

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LMAO...your attack posts are just typical of your left-wing reaching.....Hahahahahah ahahahaha!!

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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2006, 10:01:03 PM »
OK, that was what I thought you were getting at, and I agree with you.

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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 10:01:07 PM »
LMAO...your attack posts are just typical of your left-wing reaching.....Hahahahahah ahahahaha!!
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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 06:54:01 PM »
I'm sick of people misusing the term Neo-Con or Neo-Conservative. The term Neo-conservative means liberals who have "moved to the right"........... It has absolutely nothing to do with Conservatives.  Two entirely different things. But somehow it's become some sort of pejorative term.

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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 07:03:42 PM »
How dare u clear up that misconception.
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Re: Winston Churchill
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 07:04:55 PM »
nice thread Berserker