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Where the right went wrong
« on: October 28, 2006, 09:18:14 AM »
By Jeff Greenfield
CNN Senior Analyst

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Fifty years ago, when a 29-year-old Yale graduate named William F. Buckley Jr. funded National Review magazine, conservatism was a small insurgency, fighting the dominant tide of liberalism that had governed the United States for a quarter century.

Today, the right is politically dominant. The president is an avowed conservative; so are the vast majority of Republicans who control the Congress. The courts have moved to the right; conservative voices are prominent in the media; and three Americans call themselves conservative for every two who say they are liberal.

Yet now, at what should be the floodtide of conservative power, many on the right are expressing open, even passionate disagreement with what has been done in their name.

"I believe that as a movement we have veered off course into the dangerous and uncharted waters of big government Republicanism," said Mike Pence, a three-term representative from Indiana.

Pence is one of a number of conservatives who finds himself dismayed by much of what has happened under Republican rule.

And others, like Buckley, are concerned by what is in the future. He foresees a repudiation of what has been done in the name of the right.

"At the Republican convention in '08 there will be a lot of rhetoric, which will deplore what has been done in the name of conservatism and Republicanism. And I think it will bring the house down," Buckley told me for our "Broken Government: Right Gone Wrong."

"Because I think there's always a queasy feeling when you violate your own canons."

The discontent includes the sharp growth in government spending -- including the kind of domestic spending conservatives have long deplored -- to the growth of "pork-barrel" projects once seen as an emblem of how big government politicians hold power.

"They have increased the amount of government spending by a degree that no Democrat would ever dream of getting away with," said columnist Andrew Sullivan.

Many of the sharpest attacks on the mix of lobbyists and politicians that have sent prominent public figures to prison come from these voices on the right.

There are social conservatives who say the Republicans have taken them for granted -- and libertarians like Dick Armey and Sullivan, who say government has no more business in the bedroom than the boardroom. In "Right Gone Wrong," you'll see the sharp split over Bush's foreign policy, especially his sweeping goal of promoting democracy around the world. ("Loony," William Buckley calls it).

While conservatives overwhelmingly support Bush on his tax cuts and judicial appointments -- and while many, if not most, back his claim of broad executive authority to wage the war on terror, the discontent on the right has grown so intense that a number of well-known conservatives have openly argued that the Republicans should lose their hold on Congress this year, either to punish conservatives for abandoning the cause, or because divided government actually produces better policy results.

And beyond the November elections, the conservative movement finds itself in a debate that will shape the future of this movement: "How do we mesh power and principle?"


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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2006, 10:42:00 AM »
I guess this explains why you're a liberal?

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2006, 10:48:36 AM »
i hate liberals. I hate neocons too.  I'm a moderate republican.  What the party used to be before it was hijacked by this neoconservative element.

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2006, 11:03:46 AM »
i hate liberals. I hate neocons too.  I'm a moderate republican.  What the party used to be before it was hijacked by this neoconservative element.

Give it up 240.  You're a liberal.

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2006, 11:07:25 AM »
Give it up 240.  You're a liberal.

You're a gray area guy.  You know there's a middle ground.

I'd vote McCain into office in a heartbeat over hilary.  I'm voting mostly repub for local elections in a week.  There is a large split in the repub party... it will become much more aparrent as the 2008 prez election approaches.

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2006, 11:35:21 AM »
Pat Buchanan wrote a book with the same title of this thread two years back. It is a good read, you should check it out. 240 you would particularly like it.  It just describes how Neocons hijacked the bush presidency and steered it away from classical conservative issues
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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2006, 11:40:26 AM »
Pat Buchanan wrote a book with the same title of this thread two years back. It is a good read, you should check it out. 240 you would particularly like it.  It just describes how Neocons hijacked the bush presidency and steered it away from classical conservative issues

yeah, I'll def check that out.  I do recall Pat on the news a few months back mentioning the party hijacking. 

Anyone remember the oldtime republicans?  Used to be the party of morals.  Dems used to be the junkie murderers.  Republicans were the strong, honest, honorable, and religious group.  Now, you have lies to get us into war, hundreds of thousands of deaths for vague reasons, smug torture, 911 fishiness, and White House mocking religious groups last week.

Can anyone really say with a straight face that the repub party has the higher moral ground anymore? 

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2006, 05:05:16 PM »
i feel like republicans now are like the democrats 20 years ago and the democrats now are on their way to socialism
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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2006, 05:07:42 PM »
i feel like republicans now are like the democrats 20 years ago and the democrats now are on their way to socialism
remember jimmy carter?

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2006, 11:35:55 PM »
CNN? aka; Al Jezzera?

No matter how much you think the Right went wrong.....They are still more right (meaning correct) than the Left will ever be!

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2006, 11:37:35 PM »
CNN? aka; Al Jezzera?

No matter how much you think the Right went wrong.....They are still more right (meaning correct) than the Left will ever be!
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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2006, 11:47:27 PM »
CNN? aka; Al Jezzera?

No matter how much you think the Right went wrong.....They are still more right (meaning correct) than the Left will ever be!

Ahhhh but the middle- the moderate republicans - are the best way.

Remember when the lousy dems used to want the govt to think for them? When they used to be a religion-less murdering bunch?  We didn't trust them. 

Now I feel that way about the neo-cons. 

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Re: Where the right went wrong
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2006, 01:23:29 AM »
Pat Buchanan wrote a book with the same title of this thread two years back. It is a good read, you should check it out. 240 you would particularly like it.  It just describes how Neocons hijacked the bush presidency and steered it away from classical conservative issues

Pat Buchanan wrote a book about "neocons" hijacking the presidency?  The man who might have single handedly helped Republicans lose the White House because he was such a right wing nut (remember his speech at the convention years ago?).  Ooookaaaayyyyy.