Author Topic: IFBB Misconceptions.... (Read 8751 times)

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #25 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:45:19 AM »

Quote from: Miss Karen on October 30, 2006, 11:26:20 AM

It's a scream that they are all under false names and Gimmick accounts.This place is a JOKE.Fools and Idiots.

Miss Karen?? That name narrows it down to a fifty million Karen's in the world, talk about false names and gimmick accounts. Also, if this place is such a joke why do average about 200 posts a month???

Chick · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:46:49 AM »

Quote from: onlyme on October 30, 2006, 11:28:03 AM

I find it amazing that CHic had no idea about this move. And Miss Karen I lke your posts. If indeed you are a girl I like your forcefulness. Plus I wouldn't want you to start ragging on me.

Goddam you're a clueless fool, Keith...

How do you figure I had no clue about this move? FYI...I knew of this info well before it ever made it to this site.

Me asking what someone else's position, or what they wan't to see change has no bearing on my position or anything else for that matter...

You don't know what you're talking about...as usual.

Tre · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2006, 12:01:57 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 30, 2006, 09:44:48 AM

Really...what show was that and when?

He meant to say that he'd walked a mile in your old shoes.

Tre · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2006, 12:08:13 PM »

Quote from: christinafitness on October 30, 2006, 08:21:11 AM

It is far easier for an US athlete to become IFBB Professional than for other athletes.

False.

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In most other countries the athletes have to go through a recommendation process.

There's a qualification process in the U.S. as well.

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Is it for that reason that some of the world’s best bodybuilders are still “amateurs” in South America, Europe, Asia and (Northern) Africa. As US athletes they would have turned pro in a minute.

Unless you've interviewed a large number of non-U.S. high-level amateur competitors, then you have no factual basis for your claim.

Do some research and you'll learn that there are several individuals a year (mainly in Europe) who turn down the opportunity to become IFBB pros and instead choose to continue competing in the amateur ranks.

Furthermore, *any* IFBB competitor *anywhere* in the world can petition his/her national or regional IFBB affiliate for pro status. That doesn't mean it will be granted, but the process is available to all.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2006, 12:10:30 PM »

Quote from: Tre on October 30, 2006, 12:01:57 PM

He meant to say that he'd walked a mile in your old shoes.

LOL...yes, thats about it!!

onlyme · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2006, 12:33:34 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 30, 2006, 11:46:49 AM

Goddam you're a clueless fool, Keith...

How do you figure I had no clue about this move? FYI...I knew of this info well before it ever made it to this site.

Me asking what someone else's position, or what they wan't to see change has no bearing on my position or anything else for that matter...

You don't know what you're talking about...as usual.

I figured as many others probably did was if you knew why didn't you post it up. You seem to post allot of other stuff "first". This is the biggest nes and you didn't post it first. It just disturbed me cause I count on you to give us all the info before it hits the press. This time you were beat to the punch and I feel neglected.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 30, 2006, 12:58:18 PM »

Quote from: Tre on October 30, 2006, 12:08:13 PM

False.

There's a qualification process in the U.S. as well.

Unless you've interviewed a large number of non-U.S. high-level amateur competitors, then you have no factual basis for your claim.

Do some research and you'll learn that there are several individuals a year (mainly in Europe) who turn down the opportunity to become IFBB pros and instead choose to continue competing in the amateur ranks.

Furthermore, *any* IFBB competitor *anywhere* in the world can petition his/her national or regional IFBB affiliate for pro status. That doesn't mean it will be granted, but the process is available to all.

Christina Fitness is right.
It is easier to become a pro in the states.

USA
Procards: 1 Team Universe, 2 at the North Americans, 7 at the Nationals, 2 USA, 4 Masters (From NPC) Worlds

Canada:
2 @ North Americans, 2 @Nationals (note Nationals and North Americans were on the same day.) Worlds

The rest of the world:
Worlds or invites.

Seams to me to be much easier in the US.

Tre · « **Reply #32 on:** October 30, 2006, 02:57:13 PM »

Quote from: a_joker10 on October 30, 2006, 12:58:18 PM

Christina Fitness is right.
It is easier to become a pro in the states.

USA
Procards: 1 Team Universe, 2 at the North Americans, 7 at the Nationals, 2 USA, 4 Masters (From NPC) Worlds

Canada:
2 @ North Americans, 2 @Nationals (note Nationals and North Americans were on the same day.) Worlds

The rest of the world:
Worlds or invites.

Seams to me to be much easier in the US.

Then by that logic (and math), it's even easier to get a pro card in Canada...after all, their population is only 1/10th that of the U.S.

dan18 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:00:03 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on October 30, 2006, 08:21:46 AM

very exciting post.

1st time i agree with you

240 is Back · « **Reply #34 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:07:35 PM »

Mr I was a very good competitor in his day.

dearth · « **Reply #35 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:10:00 PM »

Chick,

why do you ignore IFBB pros outside of America?
is it because they have less "name recognition"
or is it because the IFBB is really now just an extension of the NPC?

there is very little international representation by the International fed. of bb athletes rep.

tommywishbone · « **Reply #36 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:12:02 PM »

IFBB Non-misconceptions...

The IFBB is an absolute complete failure.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:17:49 PM »

Quote from: Tre on October 30, 2006, 02:57:13 PM

Then by that logic (and math), it's even easier to get a pro card in Canada...after all, their population is only 1/10th that of the U.S.

It would be true if the Nationals and North Americans weren't on the same weekend.

Chick · « **Reply #38 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:49:38 PM »

Quote from: dearth on October 30, 2006, 03:10:00 PM

Chick,

why do you ignore IFBB pros outside of America?
is it because they have less "name recognition"
or is it because the IFBB is really now just an extension of the NPC?

there is very little international representation by the International fed. of bb athletes rep.

Show me ONE example of that...

I've gone out of my way to give letters of reccomendation to many Pro's/ amateurs trying to get their green card, and becoming a US citizen...as well as plenty of other instances of getting work for them, both in BB and film, keeping them informed with info, etc..

Why would you make such a claim?

Saskbb · « **Reply #39 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:58:56 PM »

Quote from: christinafitness on October 30, 2006, 08:21:11 AM

I am a little shocked how little knowledge most people on this board have about the organization of bodybuilding today. The worlds largest bodybuilding federation is the IFBB (INTERNATIONAL Federation of Body Building). This federation has about 50 member countries.

Most of the athletes in the IFBB compete as amateurs. The amateur division of the IFBB in the US is known as NPC. Unlike most amateur competitions in the US, most international events are drug tested. That’s why US athletes never place high in international events. The US athletes are usually selected at the “TEAM UNIVERSE”, which is one of the few drug tested NPC shows. None of the 7 US bodybuilders made the top 5 of any of the 8 weight classes at the IFBB World Championships..

That picture is reversed when it comes to the Pro League of the IFBB. It is far easier for an US athlete to become IFBB Professional than for other athletes. There are at least 10 US bodybuilders that turn pro automatically just because of their national amateur placings.
In most other countries the athletes have to go through a recommendation process.
Is it for that reason that some of the world’s best bodybuilders are still “amateurs” in South America, Europe, Asia and (Northern) Africa. As US athletes they would have turned pro in a minute
It is also obvious, that IFBB Professionals get preferred treatment at PRO shows in the US, such as the Mr. Olympia or the New York Pro Show. In addition to that the chairman of the (international) Pro League is the same person who runs the US amateur division (NPC). Almost all members of that board are US Americans.

I am not sure if the departure of Ben Weider and the election of Rafael Santoja as the new IFBB President will bring any changes, but let’s hope for the best.

I have a training partner who was this weekend Comp in the IFBB champs. and he agrees with you. His best finish is 15th and most North Americans finish this way. He seen a lot of great bodybuilder at this contest who stay AM's because they receive Government money to train and live! If you turn pro, you pay your own ticket, and unless your in the top 15% of the pro ranks your broke!

These guys also get top rate medical help to prepare for these contest, rem hgh and slin have a very short half life!

SaskBB

Rottmag · « **Reply #40 on:** October 30, 2006, 04:30:25 PM »

Mr. Intenseone,

Why don't you answer Chick's question?

Quote from: Chick on October 30, 2006, 09:44:48 AM

Really...what show was that and when?

onlyme · « **Reply #41 on:** October 31, 2006, 01:26:38 AM »

Quote from: Chick on October 30, 2006, 03:49:38 PM

Show me ONE example of that...

I've gone out of my way to give letters of reccomendation to many Pro's/ amateurs trying to get their green card, and becoming a US citizen...as well as plenty of other instances of getting work for them, both in BB and film, keeping them informed with info, etc..

Why would you make such a claim?

WiseGuy · « **Reply #42 on:** October 31, 2006, 03:11:18 AM »

Quote from: christinafitness on October 30, 2006, 08:21:11 AM

I am a little shocked how little knowledge most people on this board have about the organization of bodybuilding today. The worlds largest bodybuilding federation is the IFBB (INTERNATIONAL Federation of Body Building). This federation has about 50 member countries.

Most of the athletes in the IFBB compete as amateurs. The amateur division of the IFBB in the US is known as NPC. Unlike most amateur competitions in the US, most international events are drug tested. That’s why US athletes never place high in international events. The US athletes are usually selected at the “TEAM UNIVERSE”, which is one of the few drug tested NPC shows. None of the 7 US bodybuilders made the top 5 of any of the 8 weight classes at the IFBB World Championships..

That picture is reversed when it comes to the Pro League of the IFBB. It is far easier for an US athlete to become IFBB Professional than for other athletes. There are at least 10 US bodybuilders that turn pro automatically just because of their national amateur placings.
In most other countries the athletes have to go through a recommendation process.
Is it for that reason that some of the world’s best bodybuilders are still “amateurs” in South America, Europe, Asia and (Northern) Africa. As US athletes they would have turned pro in a minute
It is also obvious, that IFBB Professionals get preferred treatment at PRO shows in the US, such as the Mr. Olympia or the New York Pro Show. In addition to that the chairman of the (international) Pro League is the same person who runs the US amateur division (NPC). Almost all members of that board are US Americans.

I am not sure if the departure of Ben Weider and the election of Rafael Santoja as the new IFBB President will bring any changes, but let’s hope for the best.

so what is stopping the IFBB from inviting those atheletes who go to the worlds that are drug tested and instead invite them to compete at a pro qualifier for international participants that is not tested and that is on US soil.....

chick can this be done?

Tre · « **Reply #43 on:** October 31, 2006, 09:00:53 AM »

Quote from: Saskbb on October 30, 2006, 03:58:56 PM

I have a training partner who was this weekend Comp in the IFBB champs. and he agrees with you. His best finish is 15th and most North Americans finish this way. He seen a lot of great bodybuilder at this contest who stay AM's because they receive Government money to train and live! If you turn pro, you pay your own ticket, and unless your in the top 15% of the pro ranks your broke!

Exactly. So, where is the incentive for individuals in those countries to become IFBB pros?

There isn't.

But to say that it's 'harder' for them to become pros is false. They are just choosing not to, because being an amateur pays better.

onlyme · « **Reply #44 on:** October 31, 2006, 09:45:44 AM »

Quote from: WiseGuy on October 31, 2006, 03:11:18 AM

so what is stopping the IFBB from inviting those atheletes who go to the worlds that are drug tested and instead invite them to compete at a pro qualifier for international participants that is not tested and that is on US soil.....

chick can this be done?

Believe me it will happen now. With the PDI grabbing Europeans the IFBB will what they can to keep them. Making a guy a pro costs the IFBB nothing. IN fact they make money. So it will be to their advantage to make as many competitors pros as they can.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 31, 2006, 11:47:56 AM »

Quote from: Tre on October 31, 2006, 09:00:53 AM

Exactly. So, where is the incentive for individuals in those countries to become IFBB pros?

There isn't.

But to say that it's 'harder' for them to become pros is false. They are just choosing not to, because being an amateur pays better.

As above 2 spots for all of Europe, Asia and Africa. In a contest that includes Americans.
6 billion people give or take

17 spots in the USA 300 million

It seems a little harder to me.

Why does team Universe have pro Cards when these guys can't even finish in the top 15.

onlyme · « **Reply #46 on:** October 31, 2006, 12:24:24 PM »

For the real old guys. Is it really true that when Weider first started printing his magazines way back he would print them at one printer till he had to pay them then go to another then another without paying any of them. And that is a main reason he moved to the West Coast and set up shop. Why would he leave the East Coast. I mean it sounds like something he'd do.

And why oh why doesn't anyone talk about the tax situation with the IFBB.

Lift Studios · « **Reply #47 on:** October 31, 2006, 12:50:30 PM »

Keith would you like the solve the puzzle or buy a vowel?

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #48 on:** October 31, 2006, 01:12:36 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on October 31, 2006, 12:50:30 PM

Keith would you like the solve the puzzle or buy a vowel?

lol!

WiseGuy · « **Reply #49 on:** October 31, 2006, 01:30:43 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on October 31, 2006, 09:45:44 AM

Believe me it will happen now. With the PDI grabbing Europeans the IFBB will what they can to keep them. Making a guy a pro costs the IFBB nothing. IN fact they make money. So it will be to their advantage to make as many competitors pros as they can.

yep your right keith.....now that the PDI will do it so will the IFBB.......

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